Misunderstanding about players big paydays

kskboys

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I agree with this. And he did have some injury problems before so it was a risk.
However, due to bad drafting, we had no one to replace him. Imagine if we'd have been smart enough to take Chris Jones instead of Jaylon. Ohhhh, the problems that would've solved. Instead, we wasted a high 2nd on a question mark.
 

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Good.summary, Bob. For the most part, second contracts are market driven within the confines of the salary cap. It is not all that different from the corporate world where salaries are benchmarked across industry sectors for various job types.

The rub, though, is that professional sports pays astronomically better than the corporate world.
Depends what segment of the corporate world you’re in.
 

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The way the NFL structured contract rules in 2011, having high impact players on rookie deals is the ideal way to have on and off field impact. The 2013 and 14 Seahawks were perfect examples of that.
Good points. But unlike the corporate world, pro football players only have 5-10 years to maximize their value. If you are a corporate climber, you can earn maximum value for decades.
What most fans fail to realize is about 75% of NFL players earn near minimum which is less than a million a year.
 

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What most fans fail to realize is about 75% of NFL players earn near minimum which is less than a million a year.
True. And because there are so many more football players on a roster, FB players make a lot less than baseball or basketball players while playing America’s most popular sport.
 

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No, they are not. We live in a free market economy, and they should be paid according to the money they bring in. And they are. They are paid at the correct level.
Yep

And it’s really just a small segment who earn the bigger contracts.
 

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True. And because there are so many more football players on a roster, FB players make a lot less than baseball or basketball players while playing America’s most popular sport.
True. But they do play so many less games while their physical risk is so much greater.

You certainly couldn’t pay me enough to get out there on the football field. So much risk of life altering injuries unlike other sports.
 

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If DLaw had signed for around 15 mil/season, he'd be loved by the fanbase and would still be unltra rich. And might have better players around him.

Yep, all of this. Especially the might have better players around him part.

Belicheck's old sales pitch to get a vet to extend at then market value or rent a vet on a cheap 1 to 2 year deal based on the promise of winning rings no longer even applies in New England since Brady left I guess, lol.

Heck, they're even saying Hoodie actually did some free agent spending.

The highest bid rarely, if ever, loses nowadays. Winning is most often not first priority for the player if a bigger buck is to be had elsewhere.

It is what it is.
 

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I understand why some believe this. All pro athletes are getting paid big money to play a game.

But look at what fans and TV networks are willing to pay to watch these players play the game of football. When you consider that the market is willing to pay multiple billions of dollars to watch these games, the players who play the game and put their bodies at risk to do it are getting true market value.
This is the biggest misconception amongst fans. This isn’t just a game anymore.And these aren’t just football players . This is sports entertainment at the highest level.
 

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Yep, all of this. Especially the might have better players around him part.

Belicheck's old sales pitch to get a vet to extend at then market value or rent a vet on a cheap 1 to 2 year deal based on the promise of winning rings no longer even applies in New England since Brady left I guess, lol.

Heck, they're even saying Hoodie actually did some free agent spending.

The highest bid rarely, if ever, loses nowadays. Winning is most often not first priority for the player if a bigger buck is to be had elsewhere.

It is what it is.
Yea but winning isn’t the top priority.
 

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Yes some athletes are overpaid and every team has a few but several players on the team are underpaid.

The owners are never underpaid. And if Jerry isn't the prime example of that I don't know what is.
 

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Absolutely. It's on him for holding the franchise hostage. Refusing to get the surgery was pure chicken poop.
I hear ya but he was just looking out for his best interest. He can’t rely on the Cowboys look out for it.

There’s no guarantee we win or have more success if these players buckle under. And even if they do why would they choose to make less? To MAYBE win?? Lol

No, that’s up to teams to manage not players.
 

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It seems pretty simple to me. Players get contracts based on what the team feels their value to the organization is. Does the FO sometimes knowingly overpay? I'm sure they do, but only because they think it's a better option than letting the player go to another team, either because they have nobody who can adequately replace that player, or because they think that player can hurt as an opponent.
 

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Good post Bob! I don't feel a guy like Zeke is over paid considering how many times he touches the ball or picks up a blitz or supports the QB in the passing game. He does more for this team than a 20 mil dollar a year Amari. You see you can over pay for Jaylon Smith and it's not gonna kill you it's guys like Dak who absolutely burn me up that he thinks he is worth what Jerry game him. Those type of contracts are the ones that kill a team.
 

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Good post Bob! I don't feel a guy like Zeke is over paid considering how many times he touches the ball or picks up a blitz or supports the QB in the passing game. He does more for this team than a 20 mil dollar a year Amari. You see you can over pay for Jaylon Smith and it's not gonna kill you it's guys like Dak who absolutely burn me up that he thinks he is worth what Jerry game him. Those type of contracts are the ones that kill a team.


So its not overpaying that not good it's just don't overpay for the position every team is going to overpay?
 

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The way the NFL re-structured its pay system in the 2011 CBA, less money would be heaped on rookies, and more of the revenue pie would be shifted to veteran players who had earned a pay raise based on their play on the field, not their reputation coming out of college.

Before 2011, some first round rookies were getting paid a lot more money than some veteran starters who had proven to be valuable assets. So since 2011, the focus on how players were paid changed, and I think it was for the better.

But IMO, many fans see the big dollar second contracts that many veteran players get as an indication that the player then has to play even better than in the past to “justify” their pay raise. But actually the second contract is seen by both the owners and players as both a reward for good play and a way to retain that talent in the future at market value.

Here are some points on why I believe the big second contract is misunderstood:
  • Most players who play very well on their rookie contracts are producing at a high level while also being paid well below market value. This is especially true of players drafted in the middle to late rounds who play very well on rookie deals.
  • The second contract is an adjustment of pay to better fit the players perceived value, not necessarily their actual value.
  • Most second contracts have “parachutes” built in for the owners to get out of the deal in the long term if certain conditions warrant. In other words, it gives the owners flexibility to not pay all of the original proposed amount.
I mention “fan misunderstandings about second contracts” because sometimes I think fans are unduly harsh on some players after getting a second deal. DeMarcus Lawrence is a good example of this.

IMO, DLaw has continued to play at a very high level. Fans tend to judge a player based solely on certain stats like sacks. Across the league, DLaw is a very respected player by offensive coordinators and is usually ranked in the top ten of defensive lineman by both players and pundits.

That’s not to say every second contract player continues to play well. Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Doug Free, Tyrone Crawford, and Zeke are IMO some examples of guys who were paid more than their long term value. Some of the good second contracts recently include Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, DLaw, and perhaps La’el Collins. We will see about Dak.

Bottom line for me is, a bigger paycheck for a pro football player is more complex than it used to be. Judging a player on stats vs dollars is not always accurate.
Good insights Bob
Keep them coming!
 

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What most fans fail to realize is about 75% of NFL players earn near minimum which is less than a million a year.

I have always felt there should be a larger roster along with a bigger salary cap and cut for the players themselves. Having players out on the field before they are actually ready are bad for the sport and for the player. If not that, then the starting QB salary along with one special player allowed can be omitted from the team salary cap allowance. Allows the popular star veteran player to finish their career with the team and not kicked to the curb.
 

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It seems pretty simple to me. Players get contracts based on what the team feels their value to the organization is. Does the FO sometimes knowingly overpay? I'm sure they do, but only because they think it's a better option than letting the player go to another team, either because they have nobody who can adequately replace that player, or because they think that player can hurt as an opponent.
Very well said!
 
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