Twitter: OC Kellen Moore addresses run game vs Bucs

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Yards are Yards. However, yards that do not give the advantage of time of possession gets you beat by Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Pat Mahomes, and every other good QB with a good defense.

Throw the ball to the darn RB that can win in space and get tackled in bounds that allows tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and Tom Brady would not get 1:49 to beat you. You have an All Pro RB and he only got 13 touches and you lost. There is a cause and effect.

Its nice to know Dak can check out of plays. Check out and throw to the All Pro RB. You do not have to hand the ball off 28 times. I can not tell if Moore is blaming or explaining. No got darn leadership at Head Coach continues to haunt the Arlington Jonesboys.

they won the TOP battle handily
 

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I'm sorry but this is a copout.. The Cowboys first two running plays were 3rd and 1.. Zeke got 2 and converted the first down. The next running play he got 4 on 1st and 10. The Cowboys then proceeded to pass the next 10 offensive snaps. Now I don't know about others but converting short yardage for a big first down and then getting 4 on the next running play is not "going nowhere.." The next running play was 3rd and 3 we went with Pollard who was stuffed for no gain. Maybe what people are saying is that Pollard should not be given the ball on 3rd and short.. Zeke converts in that situation like 80% of the time. He's the guy I want to be handing the ball to in any short yardage situation. He's just a stronger back.. I get that the coaches want to try and capitalize on Pollard's quickness.. but maybe 3rd and short is not the right time.
Zeke ran 11 times for 33 yards.

I’d rather see Dak throw for a safe 5-6 yard gain than to keep giving Zeke the rock.

Zeke’s really not that good of a runner anymore. He’s not a home run threat and doesn’t even make the first guy miss most of the time.

Oh, plus he fumbled a ton last season.

If Zeke got 20+ carries Thursday night, he probably ends up with like 65 yards and there’s no way we score 29 points.
 

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What stood out to me about that play is that it really wasn't blocked worth a darn. Three guys basically grab hold of Zeke a yard behind the line of scrimmage but he is able to squirm his way for the first anyway..

I agree, my thoughts were really on the formation itself and if we will see it but run other options off of it besides Zeke running it.
 

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He checked out of them because that’s what he was coached to do. I have no problem with the passes if Dak keeps playing that good, but there will be a time to run just not against the Bucs.
 

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Speaking my language Kellen.

Ive not been very impressed with you but last week was a beauty.

The play action still works without a run game and there is no need to watch Zeke crash into Vea over and over.

I would like to see more throws to our backs though. Especially Pollard.


I actually love Moore but I wouldn't call it a thing of beauty when we were 1 of 4 in the red zone - we have to find a way of getting TD's. This was the same area Moore struggled with last year.
 

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You cannot defeat the GOAT kicking field goals. Especially missed ones. Better of going for it on 4th down when you play Brady cause he is going down field either way.
 

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I kept telling people here that Dak has final say on all plays run. He audibles and makes the call whether it is a run or a pass. Some people just didn’t want to believe me and wanted to scapegoat the OC when a play does not work.
I think everyone here is fine with him audibling out of run plays that aren’t going to be advantageous. Moore himself said that Dak checked out of run plays due to Tampa’s run-stop looks.

Are you saying you want Dak to let the run play go even if it’s not the right call based on what the defense is giving us? You’d rather just run to run?
 

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Yards are Yards. However, yards that do not give the advantage of time of possession gets you beat by Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Pat Mahomes, and every other good QB with a good defense.

Throw the ball to the darn RB that can win in space and get tackled in bounds that allows tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and Tom Brady would not get 1:49 to beat you. You have an All Pro RB and he only got 13 touches and you lost. There is a cause and effect.

Its nice to know Dak can check out of plays. Check out and throw to the All Pro RB. You do not have to hand the ball off 28 times. I can not tell if Moore is blaming or explaining. No got darn leadership at Head Coach continues to haunt the Arlington Jonesboys.
i think he is explaining and making an excuse, for why they had over 50 passes, and ewok only had 11 carries and pollard 3.
yards are yards, is a simple minded answer, and not true.

The problem wasnt the TB Dline play, it is the dallas blocking scheme. even with that, the dallas backs had some good runs.
Kellen just likes to pass, if he were being honest that is what he would say.
 

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Very unlikely that Moore is ready to be a head coach. He hasn’t coached much. He’s been a QB coach and now OC. I’m guessing he may get interviews, but a head coach needs experience and time to even have the contacts to put a coaching staff together.
 

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Yards are Yards. However, yards that do not give the advantage of time of possession gets you beat by Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Pat Mahomes, and every other good QB with a good defense.

Throw the ball to the darn RB that can win in space and get tackled in bounds that allows tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and Tom Brady would not get 1:49 to beat you. You have an All Pro RB and he only got 13 touches and you lost. There is a cause and effect.

Its nice to know Dak can check out of plays. Check out and throw to the All Pro RB. You do not have to hand the ball off 28 times. I can not tell if Moore is blaming or explaining. No got darn leadership at Head Coach continues to haunt the Arlington Jonesboys.
Dak cant check out to any play he wants lol, 2-3 plays are called, with a priority play, which lets say is a run, then dak can check out to the other play which is a pass of some type, but only that one or the other play.
Same thing if he checks from a pass to a run, he has to use the run play that was called in by kellen.
 

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Zeke ran 11 times for 33 yards.

I’d rather see Dak throw for a safe 5-6 yard gain than to keep giving Zeke the rock.

Zeke’s really not that good of a runner anymore. He’s not a home run threat and doesn’t even make the first guy miss most of the time.

Oh, plus he fumbled a ton last season.

If Zeke got 20+ carries Thursday night, he probably ends up with like 65 yards and there’s no way we score 29 points.
even at 70% clip, that would mean 1 out of three passes don't complete and that means you put yourself in a 2nd and long, 3rd and long situation.....and that's not a winning formula....
 

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Stat Prescott wanted to pad his stats. So checked out of the run to justify his contract.
we averaged about 3 yards per carry and total of 47 yards rushing on 14 attempts....and we had two long ones accounting for 24 yards of that. which means we had 23 yards on the other 12 or less than 2 yards per carry..

you don't have an agenda...naaaahhh...it couldn't be
 

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Yards are Yards. However, yards that do not give the advantage of time of possession gets you beat by Tom Brady, Roger Staubach, John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Pat Mahomes, and every other good QB with a good defense.

Throw the ball to the darn RB that can win in space and get tackled in bounds that allows tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and Tom Brady would not get 1:49 to beat you. You have an All Pro RB and he only got 13 touches and you lost. There is a cause and effect.

Its nice to know Dak can check out of plays. Check out and throw to the All Pro RB. You do not have to hand the ball off 28 times. I can not tell if Moore is blaming or explaining. No got darn leadership at Head Coach continues to haunt the Arlington Jonesboys.
Dallas had 10 more minutes of possession.

Dallas also had 10 more yards rushing than Tampa.
 

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Very unlikely that Moore is ready to be a head coach. He hasn’t coached much. He’s been a QB coach and now OC. I’m guessing he may get interviews, but a head coach needs experience and time to even have the contacts to put a coaching staff together.
Coaches are being hired in their 30’s more and more now than ever. Many of them have been successful too. I think it’s a myth that a candidate needs 5/6+ years as an assistant before getting to be a successful HC.

Some guys are schematically gifted from a young age and by all accounts Kellen was one of those guys throughout HS and College. He’s actually on a pretty normal modern HC trajectory though a bit more to the early side.

You’re going to see less and less of the vet HC hires now more than ever as guys like McVay, LeFluer, and Shanahan are the new archetype.
 

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Smart game plan… Patriots will run the ball 50 times one game and 10 the next. Depends on the match up.
That’s what you have to do
Take what is given
I didn’t expect us to be able to run between the tackles even if Martin had played
You have to run a few to keep them honest but for the most part you keep doing what is working
And the pass game was working
Against chargers I expect much better run game
 

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I think everyone here is fine with him audibling out of run plays that aren’t going to be advantageous. Moore himself said that Dak checked out of run plays due to Tampa’s run-stop looks.

Are you saying you want Dak to let the run play go even if it’s not the right call based on what the defense is giving us? You’d rather just run to run?

I’m saying Dak has final authority and has to read the defense and make adjustments. A QB who is right more than wrong on the audibles is probably going to win more games. We really don’t know how good or bad Dak is but we have seen his record the past 4 years and it is average. His rookie year he didn’t have to audible much because the run game was so strong. And the OL was so good it did not matter what he audibled to,
 

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Running game has been a second thought since he was the OC.....do the numbers.

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even at 70% clip, that would mean 1 out of three passes don't complete and that means you put yourself in a 2nd and long, 3rd and long situation.....and that's not a winning formula....
Dak’s 5-yard throws are a LOT more successful than Zeke’s runs.

He isn’t much of a threat with the ball in his hands. I don’t know why that reality continues to escape you guys.

How many defenders did Zeke elude out of his 11 carries? Something like zero?
:laugh:
 
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