Put Justin Herbert under the same microscope you put Dak under

[Hawkeye19]

Yes, I am biased toward good QBs

Shot at Dak? I am shocked lol

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Shot at Dak? I am shocked lol

I have said multiple times in this thread to you I think Dak Prescott is flat out better than Justin Herbert. I think there is actually something wrong with you

 

[Hawkeye19]

HIS microscope seems biased?????

Not sure what your point is lol

I did not knock him for what he said about Herbert— only what he is unwilling to say about Dak using the same stats

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Not sure what your point is lol

I did not knock him for what he said about Herbert— only what he is unwilling to say about Dak using the same stats

I said over and over again Dak’s are better. You don’t even read my posts.

I saw someone on page 3 who also said he really likes Dak over Herbert. Might be time to go attack him too

 

[CATCH17]

Not sure what your point is lol

I did not knock him for what he said about Herbert— only what he is unwilling to say about Dak using the same stats

Stats lie.

I don’t need stats to tell me Dak played like an elite QB the other night just like I don’t need stats to tell me he was taking advantage of being down multiple scores and padding numbers on a defense that called off the dogs last season.

 

[Yobwocs]

Pretty identical stats. Both are Top 10, clearly. Put either on the 98 or 15 Denver Broncos and they both easily win a Super Bowl.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Not sure what your point is lol

I did not knock him for what he said about Herbert— only what he is unwilling to say about Dak using the same stats

He's literally saying that he believes Dak is better than Herbert. What more do you want him to say?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That is a very weak foundation to build an argument. One played the champions, the other played an average team.

Fair or not...it's how QB's are looked at.

Everyone knows Marino was an awesome QB.....and....very well known for no Super Bowl. Both sentiments have faded over the years....

Many people say it's the only reason Romo won't be in HoF. It doesn't matter he wiped out average QB's who did win them. Went toe-to-toe with some of the very best QB's ever. Brees, P Manning, Rodgers.

There's no asterisk. Dak is not excepted from this. It's not weak at all it's how it is.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Pretty identical stats. Both are Top 10, clearly. Put them on the 98 or 15 Denver Broncos and they both easily win a Super Bowl.

One guys is year in 2 and the other is in year 6.

There's a difference, even if the stats are close.

 

[Swagger]

How did Dak look his first 16 games?

He looked like an efficient bus driver

 

[Established1971]

First let me say I think Justin Herbert is a good young QB who should continue to learn and develop yet if you put him under the same microscope as Dak then it amazes me how Dak critics can be so high on Justin and acting like he is the 2nd coming of Tom Brady.

Fact is Herbert has never beaten a winning team his wins have been against the Jags, Jets, falcons, raiders, broncos and yes week 17 last year vs KC who did not play Mahomes or most of the starters and now he beat the Washington football team. Yet we are supposed to act as if Justin is some unbeatable QB? looks to be he has been beat many times himself and in Dallas would likely be mocked and attacked constantly

Cowboys did have their struggle on defense this past game vs Tampa and Brady a team who avg 30 points a game last season and won the SB to boot. Justin is not Brady and LA Chargers are not Tampa. Cowboys have a good chance of winning this game.

the second you use hyperbole like this it signals you are emotional and nullifies everything you are saying
"...acting like he is the 2nd coming of Tom Brady"

 

[DFWJC]

How did Dak look his first 16 games?

But I'm talking about Herbert.

Anyway, the point is that players normally get better over time....with some ups and downs

Fwiw, since you want to bring in Dak again.....Dak was total bus driver his 1st 16 games. A very good one, but a bus driver.
He's WAY better now than then....and even moreso after his big regression his 2nd year.

I suspect Herbert will be better in year 5 than he is now, but like Dak, it doesn't mean he won't have ups and downs.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I have said multiple times in this thread to you I think Dak Prescott is flat out better than Justin Herbert. I think there is actually something wrong with you

According to the stats you used earlier in the thread you classify Herbert as a “gunslinger”— yet, when it comes to Dak, who has superior stats— you classify him as “a normal QB.”

Dak out-“gunslingers” your gunslinger. But you won’t acknowledge it. But yet you say Dak is a better QB. But something is wrong with me? Lol

Whatevs bro… Dak is the better QB. On that we agree. Herbert is a very good young QB, we also agree. Where we disconnect is your labeling Herbert one way— and Dak another— despite stats saying otherwise.

In the end— will just chalk it up to subjective analysis on your end. Wish you the best— agree where we agree, and fine to disagree where we disagree.

Enjoy the game tomorrow

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

According to the stats you used earlier in the thread you classify Herbert as a “gunslinger”— yet, when it comes to Dak, who has superior stats— you classify him as “a normal QB.”

Dak out-“gunslingers” your gunslinger. But you won’t acknowledge it. But yet you say Dak is a better QB. But something is wrong with me? Lol

Whatevs bro… Dak is the better QB.

Dak is not a gunslinger because he doesn’t make reckless throws downfield. Dak does not outgunslinger other gunslingers because he’s a better QB than them. You seem to take that as some kind of insult to Dak. Why do you insist on dropping him down to something less than he is? Dak is a way better QB than you think he is. You should give him more credit. One would think you were the Eagles fan and I was the Cowboys fan.

Ive said 4 times now Dak is the better Qb. There’s something wrong with you because you interpret that as me saying something bad about Dak.

Why don’t you save this fervor for someone doesn’t like Dak? Why go after Dak supporters, what’s the benefit there?

 

[USArmyVet]

Let us know when you've found a qb that is averaging 35 to 40 points a game that makes no mistakes on offense so as to compensate for our defense.

1 season the defense was bad so stop using it as the baseline to blame the defense yet again for Dak.

 

[DFWJC]

Pretty identical stats. Both are Top 10, clearly. Put either on the 98 or 15 Denver Broncos and they both easily win a Super Bowl.

That says a lot for the newbie Herbert because we know Dak's last 16 games have been his best stretch in his career statistically.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Dak is not a gunslinger because he doesn’t make reckless throws downfield. Dak does not outgunslinger other gunslingers because he’s a better QB than them. You seem to take that as some kind of insult to Dak. Why do you insist on dropping him down to something less than he is? Dak is a way better QB than you think he is. You should give him more credit. One would think you were the Eagles fan and I was the Cowboys fan.

Ive said 4 times now Dak is the better Qb. There’s something wrong with you because you interpret that as me saying something bad about Dak.

Why don’t you save this fervor for someone doesn’t like Dak? Why go after Dak supporters, what’s the benefit there?

Lol… now “gunslinger” to you is a derogative label for a QB? Go back and read your first post— about Herbert— and nothing but praise. He is a “legit gunslinger”.

So gunslinger— by your own usage and description surrounding it— indicates a positive opinion of the term.

So when I compare the two QBs using the exact metrics you used to hype Herbert (yards, TDs)— you turned around and called Dak a “take-what-the defense-gives you QB”.

I post an article that demonstrates that Dak in fact— is quite effective at throwing the ball down the field— and you respond by saying you never said he didn’t.

Lol— I don’t think you read your own posts. You are all over the place lol… but whatevs bro. Enjoy the game. Chalk it up to miscommunication and let’s move on

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When someone has a clear and obvious bias that they clearly cannot look past there is not even a middle ground with them, let alone winning anything.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

One guys is year in 2 and the other is in year 6.

There's a difference, even if the stats are close.

why should that make a difference in how you compare the QBs....its about where they are now and what they can do...not the journey....

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Lol… now “gunslinger” to you is a derogative label for a QB? Go back and read your first post— about Herbert— and nothing but praise. He is a “legit gunslinger”.

So gunslinger— by your own usage and description surrounding it— indicates a positive opinion of the term.

So when I compare the two QBs using the exact metrics you used to hype Herbert (yards, TDs)— you turned around and called Dak a “take-what-the defense-gives you QB”.

I post an article that demonstrates that Dak in fact— is quite effective at throwing the ball down the field— and you respond by saying you never said he didn’t.

Lol— I don’t think you read your own posts. You are all over the place lol… but whatevs bro. Enjoy the game. Chalk it up to miscommunication and let’s move on

It’s not better or worse, Gunslinger simply defines their rate of play. Montana, Manning, Brady, the greatest QBs of all time, none were gunslingers. I’d argue even Marino wasn’t. It’s never meant “better QB” or anything positive. It’s simply a playstyle. And it’s not my description, it’s the common understanding of the term. So I’m not sure where you’re trying to lead with that one.

Again I never said Dak isn’t good at throwing downfield, I said he’s not a gunslinger because he’s not reckless with the ball, as everyone knows the term to mean. Youre misunderstanding a common football term. Have you never heard it before?