Flank, Flex, Trap, Cut: How Cowboys' Kellen Moore uses magic to keeps defenses guessing

[khiladi]

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Yeah, I’m sure Dak sucking against a zone historically is the “plan” the coaches laid out. Not being able to throw the ball in the end zone and have a higher INT to TD ratio against zones is all part of the “game plan”.

Unlike Dak, Herbert was throwing the ball and challenging the zones all day. And Herbert doesn’t have a RG and protection like Dak to create all these man matchups.

Cover 2 that San Diego was showing primarily exposes the middle of the field.. Dak completely avoided it even per this chart and took the underneath sidelines.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Yeah, I’m sure Dak sucking against a zone historically is the “plan” the coaches laid out. Not being able to throw the ball in the end zone and have a higher INT to TD ratio against zones is all part of the “game plan”.

Unlike Dak, Herbert was throwing the ball and challenging the zones all day. And Herbert doesn’t have a RG and protection like Dak to create all these man matchups.

Cover 2 that San Diego was showing primarily exposes the middle of the field.. Dak completely avoided it even per this chart and took the underneath sidelines.

Kellen Moore: "We have a replacement level RT and they're playing 2 high shell. Let's plan to hold the ball and let the downfield play develop".

 

[khiladi]

Kellen Moore: "We have a replacement level RT and they're playing 2 high shell. Let's plan to hold the ball and let the downfield play develop".

And yet, San Diego got no pressure and Dak threw an INT on the second drive downfield.. and that says nothing about completely avoiding the middle and more than attests to Dak’s limitations..

Like I said, none of it changed Dak’s historical trajectory regarding zone and why he had a higher INT to TD ratio against it..

 

[Denim Chicken]

Like I said, none of it changed Dak’s historical trajectory regarding zone and why he had a higher INT to TD ratio against it..

That's a really inaccurate way of judging performance vs zone unless you're looking at the Red Zone only--even then its not the best. I also highly doubt you have any accurate method to determine zone vs man looks.

 

[khiladi]

That's a really inaccurate way of judging performance vs zone unless you're looking at the Red Zone only--even then its not the best. I also highly doubt you have any accurate method to determine zone vs man looks.

Who said I was looking at red zone only? I’ve posted links multiply times that show it. This data was extensive looking at 2018, with the Amari trade and how Amari’s numbers completely shot up Dak’s numbers against man, but he still was risk averse and couldn’t put TDs in either. His ranking actually dropped against zone with Amari.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Who said I was looking at red zone only? I’ve posted links multiply times that show it…

So you looking a TD / INT ratio at say the opponents 20' yard line? You don't see the issue with that?

 

[khiladi]

So you looking a TD / INT ratio at say the opponents 20' yard line? You don't see the issue with that?

That was one indicator and who said Dak throws TDs only in the red zone against man…. The sample size of that data was like 90 attempts in a 5 game set with Amari, if I remember correctly. That’s clearly not 90 attempts in the red zone, the majority BY FAR outside it

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

DallasinDC------ finallly what we all have been screaming for.....we suffered years under Garrett....we just line up and do what we do regardless......stupidity unless you have eliteness with every player

which has only occured few times.....Moore finds weak points in opposing defense and attacks it.....instead of Garretts montra of just beat the guy across from you every play......Garrett lives in make believe

world....you could do it in 90's because we had such talent did not matter what scheme......Garrett is stuck in 90's dream world....Moore much better OC

he does a good job generally, he just needs to tighten up the rest of his offensive stuff, like redzone play calling, personnel management, clock management and not try to outsmart himself.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's a HS Offense. Slants and misdirection to help a smart, strong, athletic QB who has trouble with downfield accuracy.

and yet he is an NFL coach. and his offense is working. against NFL teams. NFL coaches.....fantastic analogy on your part...NOT

 

[Ranched]

Moore is awful. He's ranked 21st on the ole OC list. Why is it when Dallas wins the Moore love comes out, but when they lose, McCarthy sucks, needs to go etc....threads start?!
MEANWHILE....Wentz who?!

 

[Denim Chicken]

That was one indicator and who said Dak throws TDs only in the red zone against man…. The sample size of that data was like 90 attempts in a 5 game set with Amari, if I remember correctly. That’s clearly not 90 attempts in the red zone, the majority BY FAR outside it

I presume you are talking about this from 2018?

In which case I must laugh due to the source and the age of that reach. He left that analysis back in 2018.

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts


Here's a refence from 2019. Shows, at least in this sample, Dallas (Dak) was one of the best passing against Zone.

Here is another. Dak was the 7th best QB against Zone:

 

[OldJarhead]

and yet he is an NFL coach. and his offense is working. against NFL teams. NFL coaches.....fantastic analogy on your part...NOT

 

[OldJarhead]

Anybody who believes this knows nothing about football and no clue what they are watching.

They should turn off the TV and stick with needlepoint.

OK (reaches for the remote and the wives' needlepoint, then thinks about it......)

 

[Rockport]

If you're looking for agendas hit up Rockport......you will also find lots of Hate and troll talk.....

You need to look up the definition of insanity. You’re hate obsession with Dak is just that, insanity. You and the other haters.

 

[OldJarhead]

Slants and misdirection are an essential part of the modern NFL offense that happens to be winning Super Bowls. In the last 20 years, the only time a Coryell offense like Kellen, Jason, Linehan, etc prefer to run was Manning’s Colts (that Manning customized) and Warner’s Rams (which was based on speed). But other than those two, the Ravens won a Super Bowl with Jim Caldwell taking a failing and fired Cam Cameron offense and solving all the repetitive weaknesses; last year Arians offense which is a branch of Coryell was frustrating Brady because it lacked the quick pass and misdirection so half way through the year, Brady corrected the Coryell flaws. When Arians was with Pitt, his offense was also modified from the Coryell predictability.
But aside from Super Bowls, the Coryell problem is lots of yards between the 20s but lacking short area misdirection and quick pass features, the offense produces a lot of FGs. In short areas the playing space for those 4-5 WR sets that are based on height or leaping matchups end up being like backyard football and teams like the Steelers did to Dallas last year, can just attack the QB. Kellen forgets play action at crucial times and goes into these sack happy formations. The big problem with Coryell is game tape. Teams know route combinations and tendencies. Eberflus pointed out that when the Colts beat Dallas it was because he knew their route combinations.
Coryell alway gets yards. And especially with a new coordinator before teams figure out the repetitive tendencies, Coryell will have success with yards. Appears promising. Appears like “now we just need to make those into TDs”. But it’s always the same FG and disappointment unless like Brady or like what McCarthy is gradually changing about Kellen: Coryell blames the players.
There were 11 Offensive Coordinators fired last year. 10 of the 11 were Coryell.
Selah.

So if the problem is not the system, what is the issue? It cannot be the (gasp) QB?

 

[IceStar-D7]

Only thing that confuses defense about Kellen Moore's offense is when he does not throw or run the ball with Zeke Elliott in the red zone.

Cowboys lost week 1 because of special teams and Kellen Moore not knowing how to close a game out from the hands of Tom Brady.

Nor does he stretch the field. How many long td's have we had? Teams obviously don't even worry about it. I mean why not at least do one or two per game??? Not holding my breathe-maybe ?? tonight??? Not bashing just giving the observational facts.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah, I’m sure Dak sucking against a zone historically is the “plan” the coaches laid out. Not being able to throw the ball in the end zone and have a higher INT to TD ratio against zones is all part of the “game plan”.

Unlike Dak, Herbert was throwing the ball and challenging the zones all day. And Herbert doesn’t have a RG and protection like Dak to create all these man matchups.

Cover 2 that San Diego was showing primarily exposes the middle of the field.. Dak completely avoided it even per this chart and took the underneath sidelines.

how far up your behind to you go to pull out these statistics...must be pretty far.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's a really inaccurate way of judging performance vs zone unless you're looking at the Red Zone only--even then its not the best. I also highly doubt you have any accurate method to determine zone vs man looks.

he has no idea what he is saying. has no proof of what he is saying. he just thinks if he says it enough time and couple of his friends reference it, then it becomes the truth.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I presume you are talking about this from 2018?

In which case I must laugh due to the source and the age of that reach. He left that analysis back in 2018.

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts


Here's a refence from 2019. Shows, at least in this sample, Dallas (Dak) was one of the best passing against Zone.

Here is another. Dak was the 7th best QB against Zone:

LOL...

you don't understand. its in his head. he says it, pippy references it and he references pippy and then it becomes their reality......he claims to know more than NFL DCs, including those having played in the superbowl and that he has it figured out and these coordinators have not given Dak continuously ranks among the better passers in the league....that is the most hilarious and yet stupid part of this. its relentless with him. he hates Dak on a personal level. has nothing to do with football.

now, you want to throw him for a loop. ask him what his point is....he will throw a tantrum and actually admited once he has no point, but to post stuff.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Slants and misdirection are an essential part of the modern NFL offense that happens to be winning Super Bowls. In the last 20 years, the only time a Coryell offense like Kellen, Jason, Linehan, etc prefer to run was Manning’s Colts (that Manning customized) and Warner’s Rams (which was based on speed). But other than those two, the Ravens won a Super Bowl with Jim Caldwell taking a failing and fired Cam Cameron offense and solving all the repetitive weaknesses; last year Arians offense which is a branch of Coryell was frustrating Brady because it lacked the quick pass and misdirection so half way through the year, Brady corrected the Coryell flaws. When Arians was with Pitt, his offense was also modified from the Coryell predictability.
But aside from Super Bowls, the Coryell problem is lots of yards between the 20s but lacking short area misdirection and quick pass features, the offense produces a lot of FGs. In short areas the playing space for those 4-5 WR sets that are based on height or leaping matchups end up being like backyard football and teams like the Steelers did to Dallas last year, can just attack the QB. Kellen forgets play action at crucial times and goes into these sack happy formations. The big problem with Coryell is game tape. Teams know route combinations and tendencies. Eberflus pointed out that when the Colts beat Dallas it was because he knew their route combinations.
Coryell alway gets yards. And especially with a new coordinator before teams figure out the repetitive tendencies, Coryell will have success with yards. Appears promising. Appears like “now we just need to make those into TDs”. But it’s always the same FG and disappointment unless like Brady or like what McCarthy is gradually changing about Kellen: Coryell blames the players.
There were 11 Offensive Coordinators fired last year. 10 of the 11 were Coryell.
Selah.

Brady won a few superbowls with the likes of Welker and Eddleman as the primary recievers from the slot. he dinked and dunked his way to a couple of rings. his other threat was Gronk. a TE. Outside of Moss Brady has always lacked good outside WRs and when he had Moss, they broke all kinds of records, but lost the superbowl......so dink and dunk ain't that bad if it works.