Dak will be the first Cowboys QB to win league MVP

[KJJ]

Didn’t say you had to but it’s more favorable if you do.

The MVP award is pretty much decided before the playoffs. Lamar Jackson had a great 2019 season but stunk in the playoffs. Pat Mahomes didn’t reach the Super Bowl the year he won MVP and neither did Aaron Rodgers last season.

 

[Diehardblues]

I thought Staubach won it.

1970-1979 NFC and AFC both had a MVP.
Roger won NFC MVP in 1971.

 

[Diehardblues]

The MVP award is pretty much decided before the playoffs. Lamar Jackson had a great 2019 season but stunk in the playoffs. Pat Mahomes didn’t reach the Super Bowl the year he won MVP And neither did Aaron Rodgers last season.

It’s not announced usually until week after championship games.

 

[DFWJC]

So both Meredith and Staubach have won MVPs

ok

 

[KJJ]

It’s not announced until week of championship games.

The point is it’s pretty much decided before the playoffs.

 

[Diehardblues]

But the point is it’s pretty much decided before the playoffs.

No doubt the regular season is a big part of the decision but I think it’s naive not to believe playoff success does have influence.

 

[Diehardblues]

So both Meredith and Staubach have won MVPs

ok

Yes

Meredith was 1966 NFL player of the year which was basically at that time similar equivalence.

And Roger won NFC MVP which was all he could do in 1971. Bob Griese won AFC MVP that year . I think it’s fair to say if there was only one Staubach would have most likely won.

 

[KJJ]

No doubt the regular season is a big part of the decision but I think it’s naive not to believe playoff success does have influence.

Depends on how close the voting is. Lamar Jackson ran away with it in 2019 so even though he didn’t play well in the playoffs it didn’t influence the voting.

 

[Diehardblues]

Depends on how close the voting is. Lamar Jackson ran away with it in 2019 so even though he didn’t play well in the playoffs it didn’t influence the voting.

Do you have any other examples than Jackson who I’d argue is more of the exception than rule where playoffs success didn’t influence decision .

 

[Yobwocs]

Yes

Meredith was 1966 NFL player of the year which was basically at that time similar equivalence.

And Roger won NFC MVP which was all he could do in 1971. Bob Griese won AFC MVP that year . I think it’s fair to say if there was only one Staubach would have most likely won.

Pro-football-reference tells me Alan Page won it in 1971. How was MVP decided back then? Was there different MVP awards? I only started following in 1977 and I didn't pay attention to MVPs back then.... I was 9 lol.

 

[Diehardblues]

Pro-football-reference tells me Alan Page won it in 1971. How was MVP decided back then? Was there different MVP awards? I only started following in 1977 and I didn't pay attention to MVPs back then.... I was 9 lol.

Yes, I don’t recall specifically but during 1970-1979 each conference had a MVP. I’ll see if I can find a link.

Edit: Here you go. Wikipedia has it during that decade if you scroll down.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News_NFL_Player_of_the_Year_Award

Also in Wikipedia I found Page was name 1971 player of the year. Similar to what Meredith was named in 1966. They were probably similar awards at that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Page

 

[jsb357]

long season

 

[KJJ]

Do you have any other examples than Jackson who I’d argue is more of the exception than rule where playoffs success didn’t influence decision .

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers went one and done in the playoffs when he won MVP in 2011. He didn’t play well against the Giants. You mentioned Romo would have won MVP had he beaten the Packers in 2014. He wouldn’t have because both he and DeMarco Murray each received two MVP votes. They canceled each other out because it was debated as to who was the Cowboys MVP that season. Most felt it was Murray who set a franchise single season rushing record with over 1800 yards. Murray’s success on the ground kept Romo’s passing numbers down.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes

Meredith was 1966 NFL player of the year which was basically at that time similar equivalence.

And Roger won NFC MVP which was all he could do in 1971. Bob Griese won AFC MVP that year . I think it’s fair to say if there was only one Staubach would have most likely won.

So this thread is....fake news

 

[Diehardblues]

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers went one and done in the playoffs when he won MVP in 2011. He didn’t play well against the Giants. You mentioned Romo would have won MVP had he beaten the Packers in 2014. He wouldn’t have because both he and DeMarco Murray each received two MVP votes. They canceled each other out because it was debated as to who was the Cowboys MVP that season. Most felt it was Murray who set a franchise single season rushing record with over 1800 yards. Murray’s success on the ground kept Romo’s passing numbers down.

I didn’t say Romo would have won. Or at least didn’t intend to, but meant he would have been more favorable. Yes, Murray received the same amount of votes and was also considered . It was my take that I think Romo might have got the nod. Maybe not.

That was by far Romo’s most effective season despite his passing numbers down with Murray’s great season. But it was that year when everyone realized the level Romo was playing at.

But those aren’t more examples like with Jackson who had MVP wrapped up before playoffs. Personally I think Rodgers won in 2011 more on his laurels from his SB year in 2010 when he probably should have won.

Unfortunately MVP can often be a popularity or p- olitical type vote. Kinda like Heisman is all too often. The best player or QB on the best team.

 

[Diehardblues]

So this thread is....fake news

Technically you could argue in modern era at least since 1980 this could be the first sole league MVP award for a Cowboys QB.

 

[KJJ]

I didn’t say Romo would have won. Or at least didn’t intend to, but meant he would have been more favorable. Yes, Murray received the same amount if votes and was also considered . It was my take that I think Romo might have got the nod. Maybe not.

That was by far Romo’s most effective season despite his passing numbers down with Murray’s great season. But it was that year when everyone realized the level Romo was playing at.

But those aren’t more examples like with Jackson who had MVP wrapped up before playoffs.

It was Romo’s most effective season because of the running game. He wasn’t having to carry the offense. This is what caused the debate whether he was the Cowboys MVP or Murray. You asked for an example and I gave you another one, Aaron Rodgers who didn’t play well in the playoffs during his MVP year in 2011. Adrian Peterson during his 2000 yard season in 2012 was held under 100 yards in the playoffs and the Vikings went one and done. Speaking of done I’m done with this.

 

[Diehardblues]

It was Romo’s most effective season because of the running game. He wasn’t having to carry the offense. This is what caused the debate whether he was the Cowboys MVP or Murray. You asked for an example and I gave you another one, Aaron Rodgers who didn’t play well in the playoffs during his MVP year in 2011. Adrian Peterson during his 2000 yard season in 2012 was held under 100 yards in the playoffs and the Vikings went one and done. Speaking of done I’m done with this.

Fair enough. Those are good examples but I still think more of the exception than rule where the MVP is locked up before the playoffs.

 

[shabazz]

I believe any body that plays on a team with them 31st easiest schedule will have a tough time being considered for regular season MVP. Strength of schedule has to be factored in.

Therefore Rayne Dakota should have no problem getting Super Bowl MVP. . Being that he’s made such deep playoff runs the last 6 seasons , it’s only a matter of time till he hoists the Lombardi and says, “I’m going to Disneyland”

MVP, MVP, MVP!

 

[gimmesix]

He's more likely to win comeback player of the year....though I do think he will be top 5 in the mvp race, has stats may not be as gaudy as some others bc of our balanced attack

Right. MVP will depend a lot on team success, and he doesn't have complete control over that.