It appears it was more Golston and poor tackling

[Cowboyny]

are we still trying to blame 1-2 players for that loss? sorry i saw 90% of there team have an off day..weren't many bright spots so these threads with single name in them is just nonsense.

this pace doesn't have enough bandwidth to point tout all the players to blame..best to say TEAM LOSS..

In the tackling aspect, entire defense is to blame, but you cannot give up multiple runs to the outside.

 

[Cowboyny]

Simply put, many of these runs are stopped for min gain if DLaw plays. Top of his game that goes unappreciated by many fans/posters

Say what you want about his lack of pass rush, he always has been a terrific run defender.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not surprisingly it was Gholston because he is a rookie but the Break said it was more Armstrong and we really miss Tank. I think you are both right. When Tank comes back I think we will be ok on run defense. I don’t think the Falcons and Chiefs are strong running teams so we should be ok until Tank returns.

Let's hope. In this game, it was more about the DE's then it was within the interior, which I am less worried about, especially when DLaw returns.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Say what you want about his lack of pass rush, he always has been a terrific run defender.

No question......

 

[Cowboyny]

My point is: the veterans have not done much. If anything, they have committed their fair share of costly plays. How many times has the front 7 held an opponent to 3rd & long, yet our veteran DBs give up a 1st down??? ALL SEASON LONG. Why hasn't Dan Quinn benched a few veterans and allowed the rookies (Cox, Wright & Mukuamu) to play?

It's lack of trust.

 

[nalam]

Inexcusable on many levels

They were all drinking thier own koolaid from minny game.

 

[Cowboyny]

From what I saw, it wasnt only "edge containment issues". I also saw them gash us right up the gut to the right of center, then they followed it up with what looked like the exact same play to the other side. Both runs went for good yards. We are still not solid enough in the interior. Then you add in the edge containment issue and the end result is not a very good run defense. I know we have some reinforcement coming, but is it enough. I feel that any solid running team could simply wear us out running the ball, if they simple committed to it. That is the blueprint i would use to defeat us. Run, run, and run some more. Wear us out, keep our offence off the field, win the time of possession. And if our "high powered offense" does manage to score a TD in 5 plays, minute and a half of clock, then guess what, our defense is right back out there. Its the same formula we used when Dak was a rook.

I agree, this is more of the blueprint how to beat the Cowboys. Success for this team in recent years has been all about time of possession and keeping our defense fresh. When teams are forced to play catch up, they tend to throw more then stick to the run. I believe our run defense is improved, but still has ways to go and ultimately might cost us in the postseason.

 

[AKATheRake]

Golston has been messing up since early in the season when Dan Quinn started letting him play on Defense, yet Quinn never let Cox play at LB until 3 or 4 plays that he did against the Giants. The same goes for Wright and Mukuamu.

Clearly, Quinn is making particular player choices, and those decisions are not turning out so well.

Quinn’s missing his starter that is the 2nd highest player on the team and has been using a rotation of players to fill that void for the majority of the season. Not to mention DT.

Don’t know where there’s any player preference at any position along the d-line? More like, put whatever you got out there and coach them up which is what has happened. 3/4 of the starters haven’t been playing on that unit.

Regarding Cox he’s not going to start over Parsons, LVE and Keanu Neal. He’s being developed.

You want Nashon Wright and Mukuamu To start over who in the secondary? Diggs, Brown and Lewis? Joseph is even back now.

 

[AKATheRake]

Where does having DLaw to set the edge on the left side or not have anything to do with how the Broncos where able to run up the middle and then gain extra yards after contact?

 

[baltcowboy]

Say what you want about his lack of pass rush, he always has been a terrific run defender.

He is a good pass rusher too. I think with Tank, Gregory, and Parsons our pass rushers are as good as any team.

 

[Praxit]

Just watched a Voch u-tube video in which he was breaking down what went wrong with our run defense against the Broncos. Many of the big run plays actually were due to lack of outside containment from Golston not within the interior. Perhaps, this was the game in which we sorely missed DLaw. Golston is a rookie and this very correctable and a good teaching moment.

As for lack of tackling, this is something to watch. We heard this same issue with our secondary coach a few weeks ago as well. Poor tackling leads to big plays no matter if it's against the run or the pass. This is the biggest area of weakness and concern.

....Marcus Spears stated same thing. The outside containment was not there.

 

[cowboyec]

golston had played well going into sunday.
it was piss poor play across the board.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The whole team made mental error after mental error...I also think there were some real holes in both gameplans...again it all sucked coaches, players..all of it.

 

[quickccc]

Just watched a Voch u-tube video in which he was breaking down what went wrong with our run defense against the Broncos. Many of the big run plays actually were due to lack of outside containment from Golston not within the interior. Perhaps, this was the game in which we sorely missed DLaw. Golston is a rookie and this very correctable and a good teaching moment.

As for lack of tackling, this is something to watch. We heard this same issue with our secondary coach a few weeks ago as well. Poor tackling leads to big plays no matter if it's against the run or the pass. This is the biggest area of weakness and concern.

That's just certain clips as he had so limited time to play that video piece together.
I'm seeing several players totally let up and coasting and just watching when RB Devontae Williams is still churning .....while Justin Hamilton is trying to tango dance with him and the ball.

- Where's the "swarm of bees" around the ball mentality ?

- i thought our DEs did not set the edge- not just Gholston but even Randy at times, and too often the " backups " OL Denver was able to get to 2nd level of blocking
and get into even guys like Jayvon Kearse ..

- Gholston is a rookie and just like the other rookies he is gonna have his share of ups and downs, apparently coaches trust his skills to contend for more
playing time upfront. I wish we had more reliable vet help that could lead while he learns.

- And Tarrell Basham has been another rotation guy that has some issues getting hooked vs run. I wonder if Armstrong is still limited to his health. i'm not really a fan of either- JAGs.

- And too often I’m seeing the big body boys Bohanna, Watkins and Hamilton on the ground, and not detouring the play.
On occasions, Osa can twist his way into the backfield (which we should luv seeing rookies doing that) and then occasions they can swim him aside.

- And I’ll just as I see in that very Voch vid, just as I’ll continue to say a concern is how players are jumping, pointing, and caught standing up and not yet in position,
before the snap of the ball, … and teams are catching us while we’re doing that.

 

[quickccc]

Just watched a Voch u-tube video in which he was breaking down what went wrong with our run defense against the Broncos. Many of the big run plays actually were due to lack of outside containment from Golston not within the interior. Perhaps, this was the game in which we sorely missed DLaw. Golston is a rookie and this very correctable and a good teaching moment.

As for lack of tackling, this is something to watch. We heard this same issue with our secondary coach a few weeks ago as well. Poor tackling leads to big plays no matter if it's against the run or the pass. This is the biggest area of weakness and concern.

As LBs, i'm seeing LVE and Neal get stuck and hooked on blocks, occasionally LVE will make a solid play, occasionally he will get stuck to blocks or whiff tackles
He’s decent-serviceable, but for his size and mobility, I’m still not seeing anything special about him like I thought he’d be per rookie year.

Neal is also decent, but again, have we seen anything unique and special that has us excited about him long term ?

- Parsons is gonna have his ups and downs, but I love him best as LB in the middle of the action,where he can slice into the backfield as both run stuffer and pass rusher,
and he can really drag plays down in pursuit.
Unlike Jaylon, Parsons is a completely different LB in those two particular areas vs run and blitzer.
Much more instinctive, shedding blocks/making the head on tackle, fantastic lateral pursuit, knack for getting around the edge.

 

[Cowboyny]

As LBs, i'm seeing LVE and Neal get stuck and hooked on blocks, occasionally LVE will make a solid play, occasionally he will get stuck to blocks or whiff tackles
He’s decent-serviceable, but for his size and mobility, I’m still not seeing anything special about him like I thought he’d be per rookie year.

Neal is also decent, but again, have we seen anything unique and special that has us excited about him long term ?

- Parsons is gonna have his ups and downs, but I love him best as LB in the middle of the action,where he can slice into the backfield as both run stuffer and pass rusher,
and he can really drag plays down in pursuit.
Unlike Jaylon, Parsons is a completely different LB in those two particular areas vs run and blitzer.
Much more instinctive, shedding blocks/making the head on tackle, fantastic lateral pursuit, knack for getting around the edge.

It's looking likely we are going to need another linebacker in the future, they may decide to keep one of those veterans on a short-term deal, but don't believe either will be apart of the future core. Cox has the skill set to become a quality nickel player, but there are questions about him in run support. Quinn seems to prefer speed over size, wouldn't surprise me that type of backer is addressed.

 

[Cowboyny]

That's just certain clips as he had so limited time to play that video piece together.
I'm seeing several players totally let up and coasting and just watching when RB Devontae Williams is still churning .....while Justin Hamilton is trying to tango dance with him and the ball.

- Where's the "swarm of bees" around the ball mentality ?

- i thought our DEs did not set the edge- not just Gholston but even Randy at times, and too often the " backups " OL Denver was able to get to 2nd level of blocking
and get into even guys like Jayvon Kearse ..

- Gholston is a rookie and just like the other rookies he is gonna have his share of ups and downs, apparently coaches trust his skills to contend for more
playing time upfront. I wish we had more reliable vet help that could lead while he learns.

- And Tarrell Basham has been another rotation guy that has some issues getting hooked vs run. I wonder if Armstrong is still limited to his health. i'm not really a fan of either- JAGs.

- And too often I’m seeing the big body boys Bohanna, Watkins and Hamilton on the ground, and not detouring the play.
On occasions, Osa can twist his way into the backfield (which we should luv seeing rookies doing that) and then occasions they can swim him aside.

- And I’ll just as I see in that very Voch vid, just as I’ll continue to say a concern is how players are jumping, pointing, and caught standing up and not yet in position,
before the snap of the ball, … and teams are catching us while we’re doing that.

That swarm mentality was a stable in Marinelli's defense. We heard lack of effort last season under Nolan. This has to be corrected for them to have any chance.

 

[Cowboyny]

He is a good pass rusher too. I think with Tank, Gregory, and Parsons our pass rushers are as good as any team.

I agree it's a good threesome, I wonder if they all can be kept.

 

[quickccc]

That swarm mentality was a stable in Marinelli's defense. We heard lack of effort last season under Nolan. This has to be corrected for them to have any chance.

Marinelli may have like to use the term "swarm" from the Tony Dungy tree, but the principle was already present within the better known defenses. such as the
past Bears, Ravens, LT Giants Steelers, etc.

Individual and gang tackling was already a fundamental intake.

 

[quickccc]

It's looking likely we are going to need another linebacker in the future, they may decide to keep one of those veterans on a short-term deal, but don't believe either will be apart of the future core. Cox has the skill set to become a quality nickel player, but there are questions about him in run support. Quinn seems to prefer speed over size, wouldn't surprise me that type of backer is addressed.

- I don't mind keeping and returning Neal as a decent vet backup -so long as we continue to simulate this Quinn defense,
or the heir apparent runs a similar scheme with this same ideal size players.
He can be depth. and he won't appear to cost much. Dunno if Cowboys are good with another 4 million rental year again.

- Cox's time will come in strengthening and healing himself in offseason, and getting more accumulate in this defense.

- But he'll still be short on game experience, and if there's a regarded LB on board, according to the round, i'm not for passing him up for sake of Cox.
Enrich the LB depth and competition as possible.

- Gifford is more a special teamer, and we've seen his contributions there with that blocked punt vs NE.