Where does Dak rank among all time Cowboy great QBs?

[DFWJC]

Aikman's teams were Defensive teams.

Absolutely
Loaded on D.

Just saying, if you combine the Oline, RB group, Reciever group.....Dak has had the table set on that side of the ball like almost no other Cowboy QB.
And its been that way almost his whole career.

It's one reason why it's hard to accurately compare.

Some had top tier consistent line play for many years, some had better defenses, some had NEITHER for several years of their career

I'm thrilled with his developement.
It's all we could hope for.

Dallas now has a real shot at it...imo

 

[CowboyFrog]

Aikman's teams were Defensive teams.

They ranked out as one of the most effecient offenses ever in the playoffs.....

With a great D...no salary cap was nice then..lol

 

[RonnieT24]

If you leave Meredith off your list, your list has zero credence.

True but some of these younguns never saw Dandy play.. Hell I was only 9 when he hung 'em up.. but I saw enough that it made a huge impression on me. Watching him and Bob Hayes light up the league is what made me fall in love with football. People who only know him through numbers are missing the boat. The fact that he had a winning record as a starter years before the Cowboys had a winning record as a franchise is all you need to know about him numbers wise.

 

[DFWJC]

Take your pick on how to order them
Staubach, Prescott, Romo, Meredith, White, Aikman

Again....just pick your order and leave it at that.

Debating it is useless.

 

[Doomsday101]

Now days I tend to look at these thing in terms of Pre Free agency and post Free agency. Troy was in the middle of it as FA as we know it today began in 1993 so many of the guys we were able to keep even with the cap being installed. Guys like Meredith and Roger had the consistency of playing with the same guys year in and year out without concerns of losing key member of the team. Today teams are losing parts of their team every year and looking to fill those gaps. Your not going to be able to keep a WR core in tact and you will lose key player through out the team. Trying to compare pre and post FA while entertaining is apples and oranges.

 

[DFWJC]

Now days I tend to look at these thing in terms of Pre Free agency and post Free agency. Troy was in the middle of it as FA as we know it today began in 1993 so many of the guys we were able to keep even with the cap being installed. Guys like Meredith and Roger had the consistency of playing with the same guys year in and year out without concerns of losing key member of the team. Today teams are losing parts of their team every year and looking to fill those gaps. Your not going to be able to keep a WR core in tact and you will lose key player through out the team. Trying to compare pre and post FA while entertaining is apples and oranges.

Pre and post
--free agency
--massive rule changes to protect QBs
--rule changes to protect WRs
--offensive designs to enhance QB passing production (esp QB rating and comp %)

etc,etc

Compare to the current era QBs or use some sort of time adjustment if you want a more accurate stats comparison.

 

[Doomsday101]

Pre and post
--free agency
--massive rule changes to protect QBs
--rule changes to protect WRs
--offensive designs to enhance QB passing production (esp QB rating and comp %)

etc,etc

Compare to the current era QBs or use some sort of time adjustment if you want a more accurate stats comparison.

No doubt, Back when Meredith and Roger played the QB's were unprotected. I recall the game Dallas vs Washington where Meredith was playing with broken ribs and Chris Hanburger hit Meredith lifting him off the ground and buried Meredith, no flag just part of the game. Meredith was sent to the hospital after that play. CB were allowed to ride the WR down field the entire way, WR had to fight to get open. So clearly the rule changes which protects the QB and allows more freedom to WR did a lot to alter the stats we see in todays passing attacks than what it use to be.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

It's too early but if he wins a SB #2.

I'm a younger fan so I never watched Staubach, White, etc. Aikman was the first Cowboys QB I got to watch live.

For me it goes

Aikman
Romo
Dak

Dak's story isn't finished yet though.

 

[dfense]

Roger Staubach
Troy Aikman
Tony Romo
Danny White
Jason Garrett (lul)
Cooper Rush (lul)

Is it too early to have this conversation? Did Fanbuzz nail it? I, personally, see Dak finishing his career on the upper half of said list.

Most will know why I included Garrett and Rush on the list... Purely for laughs but there was another reason too.

I'll let you know what I think after this weeks game.

 

[DFWJC]

Can you explain ...in detail what makes you feel like Dak and Quincey are the same QB talent wise?

he was trolling.....again

 

[RonnieT24]

Now days I tend to look at these thing in terms of Pre Free agency and post Free agency. Troy was in the middle of it as FA as we know it today began in 1993 so many of the guys we were able to keep even with the cap being installed. Guys like Meredith and Roger had the consistency of playing with the same guys year in and year out without concerns of losing key member of the team. Today teams are losing parts of their team every year and looking to fill those gaps. Your not going to be able to keep a WR core in tact and you will lose key player through out the team. Trying to compare pre and post FA while entertaining is apples and oranges.

While mostly true this is oversimplifying mightily. Because the game was so much more physical guys generally had shorter careers. When Roger took over Hayes, Alworth and Ditka were his receivers and Hill, Garrison and Thomas were his backs.. Four years later when they went to Super Bowl X against the Steelers it was Pearson, Richards and Fugett as his receivers and Pearson, Newhouse and Dennison as his backs.. Three years later it was Pearson, Hill and Dupree as receivers and Dorsett, Newhouse and Pearson as the backs. There was a similar recharge along the offensive line. And remember before arthroscopic surgery any major injury pretty much ended a guy's career.

 

[DFWJC]

Dallas has been blessed at the QB position

A steak of barren years, but for the most part, the Cowboys have had the most good to great QBs

 

[RonnieT24]

Dallas has been blessed at the QB position

A steak of barren years, but for the most part, the Cowboys have had the most good to great QBs

Yeah even as an expansion team they had Eddie Lebaron who while no hall of famer, was a pretty good QB to help launch a franchise. That little guy running around was perfect for a team that had no offensive to speak of. LOL!!

 

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[MyFairLady]

Dak has not passed Romo yet. He needs a few more years in or around the top 5 QB rating. Romo was consistently one of the top rated QBs year after year. If Dak can keep this up for a few more years he will be even with Romo. If he can have some real playoff success he will surpass Romo.

 

[Doomsday101]

While mostly true this is oversimplifying mightily. Because the game was so much more physical guys generally had shorter careers. When Roger took over Hayes, Alworth and Ditka were his receivers and Hill, Garrison and Thomas were his backs.. Four years later when they went to Super Bowl X against the Steelers it was Pearson, Richards and Fugett as his receivers and Pearson, Newhouse and Dennison as his backs.. Three years later it was Pearson, Hill and Dupree as receivers and Dorsett, Newhouse and Pearson as the backs. There was a similar recharge along the offensive line. And remember before arthroscopic surgery any major injury pretty much ended a guy's career.

But players had time to sit and learn, today rookies are thrown out there from the get go because they will be FA within 4 years. You actually could build a team and have guys learning before they ever were forced into action. Rookie QB seldom played in the games, they would sit and learn before taking over.

 

[thunderpimp91]

IM just curious if you dont mind me asking, but how old are you?

IM sorry, but for my Money, Roger is in the top 5 QBs to ever play. I would have loved to see what he would have done if he played in this era. The year he retired he led the NFL in passing. He retired after what would be a very short career by todays standards. Why? Because he got the hell beat out of him every weekend back when defenses could literally pound you into the turf on every play. Brady gets to play in todays era of not touching a QB in addition to WRs NEVER getting hit when they come over the middle.

Staubach was the greatest 2 minute drill QB of my lifetime. Today when we are down within 2 minutes and get the ball, IM just hoping we can pull it off. With Roger, it was in the bag... or at least it seemed to be.

I hate to compare todays QBs with the guys from the 70s and 80s. So for me to hear Dak being considered, to have a chance to pass Roger, thats blasphemy to me....lol

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said but we have to keep in mind that Dak is really just at the midpoint of his career. Him going down as the cowboys goat after a few more years at his 2021 level of production and a couple super bowl titles would put him in that conversation. He still has a long way to go though.

I completely agree it’s tough to compare eras though, almost pointless. 70s football to today is a completely different game.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dak has not passed Romo yet. He needs a few more years in or around the top 5 QB rating. Romo was consistently one of the top rated QBs year after year. If Dak can keep this up for a few more years he will be even with Romo. If he can have some real playoff success he will surpass Romo.

Interesting point. This got me curious so I went and looked it up.

Here are Romo's rankings year to year.

He was 5th in 2006 in 10 games
He was 3rd in 2007
He was 8th in 2008
He was 3rd in 2009
He obviously missed most of 2010 ranked 7th when he went down.
He was 4th in 2011
He was 10th in 2012
He was 8th in 2013
1st in 2014
He missed most of 2015 but that 79.4 would have ranked him 32nd. Yeesh!


So that's 5 top 5 finishes 8 seasons as the starter. Solid as hell.

Looking at Dak
3rd in 2016
17th in 2017
14th in 2018
10th in 2019
missed most of 2020 was sitting at 9th when he went down.
1st in 2021 so far.

Ironically both guys got hurt and missed most of their 5th seasons..

I think even the most ardent Dak fan would have to concede that Romo's first five seasons as a passer were superior to Dak's. However Dak never had the benefit of sitting and watching and learning for two and a half years .. so a fairer comparison would start with Dak's year three. Even then I might be inclined to give Romo the nod. No one can deny that Romo was VERY good to borderline great for most of his tenure in Dallas. I have stated many times that up until this year I would have ranked him ahead of Dak in Cowboys lore. But I do think that Dak has passed him up now.. But I would have to agree I need to see a couple more years in this stratosphere to solidify that belief.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Really? Let me guess....when someone points out Dallas QB's that won Super Bowls it's a team thing because Dak has yet to do it and you can't allow Dak's empty trophy case to work against him.

Man if Dak won a ring you guys would credit it to everyone but him cut out the BS. You have to be taking years off your life with your hatred for Dak. Let it go. Most people on this site have.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak has not passed Romo yet. He needs a few more years in or around the top 5 QB rating. Romo was consistently one of the top rated QBs year after year. If Dak can keep this up for a few more years he will be even with Romo. If he can have some real playoff success he will surpass Romo.

Be EVEN with Romo? Man post Romo career y'all talk about him like he was Brady.