Drive my drive first half details and issues with the offense

[SpaceCowboy99]

If he sees them stuffing the box audible to a screen or pass. If he sees they are bringing 4 audible to a run. He has the power to do this and he apparently does it often he just doesn't do it right.

It is both the OC and QB job to do this. When you get paid top of the line like he is, your expected to be a field general.

 

[Denim Chicken]

If he sees them stuffing the box audible to a screen or pass. If he sees they are bringing 4 audible to a run. He has the power to do this and he apparently does it often he just doesn't do it right.

It is both the OC and QB job to do this. When you get paid top of the line like he is, your expected to be a field general.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If he sees them stuffing the box audible to a screen or pass. If he sees they are bringing 4 audible to a run. He has the power to do this and he apparently does it often he just doesn't do it right.

It is both the OC and QB job to do this. When you get paid top of the line like he is, your expected to be a field general.

but that's the defense disguising it. all night they had loaded the box but dropping into coverage, except who was dropping into coverage wasn't clear until the snap of the ball. that's disguising it...but regardless, when they did drop, then the OL needs to block better. evident from the first three series that penalties killed the drives. what do you do about that? the play is made, but its called back and made into a longer play and into the defenses hand....a 3rd and 4 could be a run play. a 3rd and 2 could be a run play. when its converted and then oops, penalty, now its a 3rd and 9 or a 3rd and 20....defense knows you are passing.

when you have three of the top paid OL men in Smith, Martin and Collins, then you expect them to block better. they haven't. they didn't. when you see chandler jones constantly and consistently in the back field abusing the OL men, then you account for him and chip him, or double block him, that's on the OC. but that never happened and chandler jones wreaked havoc all night. when the defense knows the play you are running because your call is so predictable, that's on the OC.

you want to conviniently place blame on one person. this failure is bigger than one person. did Dak play good? no, he didn't. but it wasn't just him. it was the OL, it was the RBs, it was the WRs....it was the defense. it was the coaches, it was the OCs. even Diggs had a rough game. Parsons was neutralized. this was a total failure top to bottom.

and in the end, we had opportunities we missed. Zeke dropped a ball that hit him square in the hands, right at his chest. Pollard did the same. Schultz did the same. Schultz missed and easy block as if he was not even there.....and Dak made a couple of bad over throws in the 4th..

this wasn't a single players fault. as much as you want it to be. reality says otherwise.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Fair enough, you have great points. I just don't think he's worth the contract. So my bias opinion shows through sometimes.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Fair enough, you have great points. I just don't think he's worth the contract. So my bias opinion shows through sometimes.

Were you concerned with Dak when he was playing cheaply?

 

[BobSacamano]

I’m not sure we have the offensive tackles right now to run the off tackle rushing plays that so many desire. Seems like the injuries are taking away from Tyron and La’el.

 

[zeke21]

Some damning stats.. and the fact that Dak faced it the most.. indicates what many of us know already.. the league has 'worked out' Dak and Moores offence. So we need to change, Dak needs to improve.. or we will keep struggling.

There are some pretty smart DCs out there.. and it is there job to find the weaknesses.. and they have uncovered ALL of Daks.

As said before..the issue is twofold for a DC.. they have to know how to beat us and then be good enough to do it. That is why we smash lesser oppo and look so bad against better teams. The other teams are still trying to do the same things.. but can't execute. So we see stuff like Lamb getting past 2 defenders to pick up a 1st down on a quick screen play. We see Zeke burst for a 20 yard TD.. we see Pollard tiptoe the sideline for 30. Better teams don't let that happen.

Dak can not read a defence and his progressions are slow. He has one of the slowest 'releases' in football. It is hurting him big time.

Question is.. how do we fix it in the next 2 weeks?

 

[thunderpimp91]

so what is he supposed to do? change pass to run? change the run play? call audibles all the time? you mention something he needs to do but provide zero context as to what it means.

Semi complex question that we won’t know the answer to to an extent. With a young center is biadasz calling protections at the line? Is that going to Martin? Other option is that’s daks responsibility. Audibles are absolutely daks decision, Blitz recognition, coverage recognition, route changes, Mike identification, etc.

Drive to drive and game to game the OC is going to play a major role. Play to play it’s on the qb, it’s why they make the big bucks.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Were you concerned with Dak when he was playing cheaply?

Yes you can check my earlier posts pre contract. My big concern was he is inconsistent. Not just his play but his accuracy. I didn't think he was worth a big contract before his ankle and certainly not after. I think I said 32-33/yr max and see what you can build around him and maybe its enough.

Def not a 66 million dollar signing bonus.

We are and have been screwed now. Massive salaries are going to eat us up in 2 years and we will be top heavy. No mid level talent and all cheap, old, or rookie contracts and not even good rookies.

 

[Ken]

How do you counter bad Olne play and penalties? Cant do it. Poor run game is from Poor RB play and poor line play. How do you counter that?

I just watched the all 22 offensive film that ****NOT-AN-OFFICIAL-SOURCE*** posted on Youtube...

They are light boxes...they are not stacking against the run even in obvious pass situations. We still can't run it! Zeke is getting tackled 4 yards in the back field by 1 guy. Highest paid RB in the league and we can't run in favorable running matchups.

It is bad...really bad.

 

[Ken]

Yes you can check my earlier posts pre contract. My big concern was he is inconsistent. Not just his play but his accuracy. I didn't think he was worth a big contract before his ankle and certainly not after. I think I said 32-33/yr max and see what you can build around him and maybe its enough.

Def not a 66 million dollar signing bonus.

We are and have been screwed now. Massive salaries are going to eat us up in 2 years and we will be top heavy. No mid level talent and all cheap, old, or rookie contracts and not even good rookies.

You act like the money is coming out of your bank account lol

Stop with the money...we have everything we need, it isn't Dak's fault...i can tell you that very confidently.

We invested so much in our OL and RB and you are focused on the qb who is top 10 in every category for his position. It screams you have no idea what you are talking about to me...

 

[Ken]

If he sees them stuffing the box audible to a screen or pass. If he sees they are bringing 4 audible to a run. He has the power to do this and he apparently does it often he just doesn't do it right.

It is both the OC and QB job to do this. When you get paid top of the line like he is, your expected to be a field general.

They are not stuffing the box...if you see them stuffing it...please point out where in the game.

Thanks.

 

[Ken]

John Owning needs to watch the game and show me where these open wr's are that are beyond the sticks...

I just watched the whole game on all 22...there is no such situation.

 

[TheHerd]

So we hear a lot from the usual types after a loss. Those that hate Dak blame him, those that hate Moore blame him, Zeke, ect....ect.....

Personally for me this was a total team loss. Neither side of the ball showed up with drive killing and extending penalties on both sides of the ball. But lets focus on the offense in the first half. Some say we abandoned the run or should have run more. Lets find out what we did and where the errors occurred to kill drives:

I will go drive by drive and what happened on each play.

Drive #1: First drive of the game at the Cowboys 20

1st and 10: Pass to Gallup for 9
2nd and 1: Pass to Gallup for 6 First Down

1st and 10: Run to Zeke 4 yards
2nd and 6: Pass to Shultz for 8 First Down

THIS IS WHERE THE WHOLE DRIVE STALLS after a great start

1st and 10: Run to Zeke, 1 yard loss (Shultz gets beat by Jones, Zeke cant bounce it outside)
Note: At this point, you cannot run the ball on 2nd down.
2nd and 11: Pass to Shultz for 6 yards
3rd and 5: Pass to Zeke for 4 yards but he bobbles it and lets the defense get to him. If he doesnt bobble it, he probably picks up a first down. Doesnt matter as its a penalty for holding on Smith.

3rd and 15: At this point the drive is done. They try to pass but Dak is chased from the pocket with pressure has to throw it out of bounds. PUNT

Analysis of drive #1: This drive was going great. Passes were working. Everything fell apart when Zeke got the 1 yards loss. That forced where we couldnt run, had to pass and then the penalty was the killer.

I really cant fault Zeke in this one although he wasnt great. Couldnt avoid Jones and bounce it outside and bobbled a would be first down pass. Its all for naught as THE OLINE KILLED THIS DRIVE all on their own. Shultz on the block of Jones and Smith on the hold of Jones.

Other guys not at fault on this drive are Dak and Moore. Everything was working, Oline screwed killed two plays on one set of downs and killed the drive. There was no error at all of not running enough.

Shulz being called upon to block the DE on his own at the point of attack? That play is on Moore. Shulz can’t block and has proven it over and over this year. Expecting him to make a block to open the hole is never going to work.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Yes you can check my earlier posts pre contract. My big concern was he is inconsistent. Not just his play but his accuracy. I didn't think he was worth a big contract before his ankle and certainly not after. I think I said 32-33/yr max and see what you can build around him and maybe its enough.

Def not a 66 million dollar signing bonus.

We are and have been screwed now. Massive salaries are going to eat us up in 2 years and we will be top heavy. No mid level talent and all cheap, old, or rookie contracts and not even good rookies.

I believe you but had to ask anyway. He probably didn't deserve that big of a contract. But Jerry is on the hook and he better be right. We shall all see together.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Shulz being called upon to block the DE on his own at the point of attack? That play is on Moore. Shulz can’t block and has proven it over and over this year. Expecting him to make a block to open the hole is never going to work.

Not on Moore. If he does it again it’s on Moore. Coach has to believe initially TE can make a block.

 

[CowboyRoy]

??? OC gets his mic cut off at 15 seconds. It’s his job to coach up the qb to make calls at the line, up to dak to do it.

Would you ever want to change to a 3 yard zeke run up the middle?

 

[DanA]

So we hear a lot from the usual types after a loss. Those that hate Dak blame him, those that hate Moore blame him, Zeke, ect....ect.....

Personally for me this was a total team loss. Neither side of the ball showed up with drive killing and extending penalties on both sides of the ball. But lets focus on the offense in the first half. Some say we abandoned the run or should have run more. Lets find out what we did and where the errors occurred to kill drives:

I will go drive by drive and what happened on each play.

Drive #1: First drive of the game at the Cowboys 20

1st and 10: Pass to Gallup for 9
2nd and 1: Pass to Gallup for 6 First Down

1st and 10: Run to Zeke 4 yards
2nd and 6: Pass to Shultz for 8 First Down

THIS IS WHERE THE WHOLE DRIVE STALLS after a great start

1st and 10: Run to Zeke, 1 yard loss (Shultz gets beat by Jones, Zeke cant bounce it outside)
Note: At this point, you cannot run the ball on 2nd down.
2nd and 11: Pass to Shultz for 6 yards
3rd and 5: Pass to Zeke for 4 yards but he bobbles it and lets the defense get to him. If he doesnt bobble it, he probably picks up a first down. Doesnt matter as its a penalty for holding on Smith.

3rd and 15: At this point the drive is done. They try to pass but Dak is chased from the pocket with pressure has to throw it out of bounds. PUNT

Analysis of drive #1: This drive was going great. Passes were working. Everything fell apart when Zeke got the 1 yards loss. That forced where we couldnt run, had to pass and then the penalty was the killer.

I really cant fault Zeke in this one although he wasnt great. Couldnt avoid Jones and bounce it outside and bobbled a would be first down pass. Its all for naught as THE OLINE KILLED THIS DRIVE all on their own. Shultz on the block of Jones and Smith on the hold of Jones.

Other guys not at fault on this drive are Dak and Moore. Everything was working, Oline screwed killed two plays on one set of downs and killed the drive. There was no error at all of not running enough.

The mistake was giving Shultz the assignment of blocking Chandler Jones one on one. How is that not on Moore or Dak (if he check into the play)?

I’d say the same thing if any opponent tried blocking Tank with a TE….Jones is that same caliber. It’s stupid play design, he’s the one guy that must be accounted for properly and it’s asking too much of Shultz.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If he sees them stuffing the box audible to a screen or pass. If he sees they are bringing 4 audible to a run. He has the power to do this and he apparently does it often he just doesn't do it right.

It is both the OC and QB job to do this. When you get paid top of the line like he is, your expected to be a field general.

The OC calls in 2 plays within those first 15 seconds before his mic is shut off. Dak has choice to run the 1st play...or audible to the 2nd play. If Dak audibles to the 2nd play...but it doesn't work due to the opponent defending it well, that falls on the OC.

Sure the QB has a part in it to work with the OC to best figure out which plays work best against your opponent, but your OC has a huge responsibility to figure that out.

 

[America's Cowboy]

John Owning needs to watch the game and show me where these open wr's are that are beyond the sticks...

I just watched the whole game on all 22...there is no such situation.

John Owning is an idiot. He's a stats guy who one can tell didn't play the sport or truly understand what's happening on the field.