Dak against top 10 defenses

[RonnieT24]

Two things can be true at the same time. Dak can be an upper-echelon QB in the league (he is) while still holding an immense burden to prove he belongs there (he does).

In the minds of some Dak will never "belong" in that hallowed group with their favorite QBs. And that's fine by me. I get a lot of enjoyment watching them try and explain away every time he does something spectacular.. But it all comes down to the formula.. If he and the Cowboys lose, then it was a big game and it was against a "good team." If they win then it was NOT a big game and the opponent was NOT a "good team." The formula is already set.. We don't even have to watch the games really. Just check the scoreboard... Let's watch if the Cowboys boat race the 49ers and come back next Monday and let's laugh at all the posts explaining why they weren't a good team and they were just lucky to make the playoffs.. Gonna be high comedy..

 

[tyke1doe]

We're at the stage where previous arguments for either side don't really matter.
It's put-up or shut-up time.
If Dak does great against the Niners and we win and go onto the Super Bowl, you don't really need regular-season-game stats any more.
If, however, Dak lays an egg and we lose, you don't have to talk about past collapses.
We are now in the perfect spot to let Dak's play do the talking.
Resume debate after Sunday's game.

 

[RonnieT24]

He struggles against good teams.. big games

Makes sense.. if they win.. it was not a big game and it wasn't a good team. Right?

 

[RonnieT24]

Where at the stage where previous arguments for either side doesn't really matter.
It's put-up or shut-up time.
If Dak does great against the Niners and we win, you don't really need stats anymore.
If, however, Dak lays an egg and we lose, you don't have to talk about past collapses.
We are now in the perfect spot to let Dak's play do the talking.
Resume debate after Sunday's game.

I disagree.. If Dak destroys the Niners the same group of idiots will be here explaining after the game how they weren't any good and neither is he. You know it as well as I do.. Oh.. and the arguments for either side have NEVER mattered.. They're just entertainment.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yep.. just like every other player who has a bad game.. It's not all that complicated..

So I am just curious. You are all for featuring the run game regardless of how well its doing and score? Results and in game situation dont matter?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We're at the stage where previous arguments for either side don't really matter.
It's put-up or shut-up time.
If Dak does great against the Niners and we win and go onto the Super Bowl, you don't really need regular-season-game stats any more.
If, however, Dak lays an egg and we lose, you don't have to talk about past collapses.
We are now in the perfect spot to let Dak's play do the talking.
Resume debate after Sunday's game.

what if Dak plays well, defense collapses and we lose?

 

[tyke1doe]

I disagree.. If Dak destroys the Niners the same group of idiots will be here explaining after the game how they weren't any good and neither is he. You know it as well as I do.. Oh.. and the arguments for either side have NEVER mattered.. They're just entertainment.

I amended my comments to include a run to the Super Bowl. Yes, if Dak wins against the Niners but gets destroyed against any other team before the Super Bowl, critics will destroy him.
As for entertainment, well, that's what this board is for.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yep.. just like every other player who has a bad game.. It's not all that complicated..

According to you, Zeke doesnt get enough carries, he is injured, or the coordinator at fault.

This is actually the first time I have heard you say that Zeke had a bad game.

 

[tyke1doe]

what if Dak plays well, defense collapses and we lose?

It depends on HOW we lose.
Shrug.

 

[Flamma]

#2 Carolina - 130.3 passer rating W
#4 New England - 108.7 passer rating W
#7 New Orleans - 79.7 passer rating W
#8 Broncos - 73.9 L
#10 Philly - game 1 143.3 W
game 2 151.8 W


Hmmm.. 5-1 with a cumulative passer rating in the 115 (114.6) range.. 18 TD 3 INT.

What was this I keep hearing about how he "struggles against good defenses?"

I wouldn't say Dak struggles against good defenses. I'd say the team sometimes inexplicably struggles mightily on offense. Saying we played a good defense is just the excuse that's been used going back to 2019.

I don't know that it's only Dak. And it's not only against good defenses. It could happen against any decent team. The best way I can describe it, our opponent seems to be playing at a higher intensity level.

BTW, don't use Philly as an example of a good defense. I don't care where they rank. They're not a good defense. We could have 10 piles of crap. Just because one stinks the least doesn't mean it smells good.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Dallas' pedigree for victory.

1) no turnovers
2) cut down on penalties
3) stay balance on offense
4) don't give up big plays on defense
5) no mistakes on special teams

Good teams are good teams because they are hard to beat. When two good teams face off against one another, he who makes the least amount of mistakes normally wins.

 

[visionary]

This gives me a lot of comfort knowing that Niners are a top 10 defense so I’m putting the ball in Daks hands so he can shred them

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It depends on HOW we lose.
Shrug.

how we lose doesn't matter. the team loses. the team wins. everyone plays a part....

I don't care how we win. I don't care if its pretty, ugly, looks like a super model or not..... at the end of the day they put a W next to it.....end of story

 

[RonnieT24]

So I am just curious. You are all for featuring the run game regardless of how well its doing and score? Results and in game situation dont matter?

I have never once said any such thing.. Hell I don't even use the word "feature" .. What I have steadfastly maintained is that you cannot ABANDON the run.. Certainly not when the game is within a score or two. This offense is built around play action.. Play action does not work if you don't run the ball at all. So as long as you're not falling way behind you need to continue to run the ball. Yes that changes if you get down more than two scores but until then you need to stay true to your identity and keep pecking away on the ground. You have to acknowledge that teams overcommit to stopping the run early because they WANT you to become one dimensional and thus easier to defend. It allows the linebackers to get tremendous depth on their drops because they are not having to check run first. As such they clamp down on your up the seam passing game. Now everything has to be horizonal and shallow and if they are a good tackling team your punter gets a lot of work.

Once they trick you into playing how THEY want you to play they're that much closer to beating you. No I do not want to see us run 15 delay shotgun handoffs up the middle.. I want the stretch play, the toss sweep, the jet sweep, the off tackle trap.. all of it. When teams are stacking you up inside it's stupid to keep running at the A-gap and hoping for a miracle. But it's just as stupid to quit running altogether and let the d-line tee off on your QB and let the defense drop 7 .. Maybe we can meet in the middle somewhere.. Mix in a variety of runs and see if the result changes. I'm betting it will.

 

[tyke1doe]

how we lose doesn't matter. the team loses. the team wins. everyone plays a part....

I don't care how we win. I don't care if its pretty, ugly, looks like a super model or not..... at the end of the day they put a W next to it.....end of story

I don't feel like arguing this. All I'm saying is that the arguments for or against will depend on how Dak, Zeke and the defense plays.
But the arguments will subside if we win it all. Well, they might continue, but they'll continue on the other side of a Super Bowl victory.
We can only hope.

 

[charron]

I have never once said any such thing.. Hell I don't even use the word "feature" .. What I have steadfastly maintained is that you cannot ABANDON the run.. Certainly not when the game is within a score or two. This offense is built around play action.. Play action does not work if you don't run the ball at all. So as long as you're not falling way behind you need to continue to run the ball. Yes that changes if you get down more than two scores but until then you need to stay true to your identity and keep pecking away on the ground. You have to acknowledge that teams overcommit to stopping the run early because they WANT you to become one dimensional and thus easier to defend. It allows the linebackers to get tremendous depth on their drops because they are not having to check run first. As such they clamp down on your up the seam passing game. Now everything has to be horizonal and shallow and if they are a good tackling team your punter gets a lot of work.

Once they trick you into playing how THEY want you to play they're that much closer to beating you. No I do not want to see us run 15 delay shotgun handoffs up the middle.. I want the stretch play, the toss sweep, the jet sweep, the off tackle trap.. all of it. When teams are stacking you up inside it's stupid to keep running at the A-gap and hoping for a miracle. But it's just as stupid to quit running altogether and let the d-line tee off on your QB and let the defense drop 7 .. Maybe we can meet in the middle somewhere.. Mix in a variety of runs and see if the result changes. I'm betting it will.

I agree except the issue is the running backs haven't been good enough early to keep running. When they run well early it's a no brainer. But vs the cardinals and Zeke gets 1.9 yards a carry, that is not sustainable. And then they won't goto Pollard enough who at least got 3 yards a carry which isn't a great deal better but 3rd and 4 or 4th and 1 is so much better than 3rd and 6.2 or 4th and 4. I think Moore needs to quickly understand what is working and continue to exploit it the best we can so Dak isn't always in a bad spot. The 1st quarter can really set the tone for how things go and Moore needs to call the best run game plan of his career.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I have never once said any such thing.. Hell I don't even use the word "feature" .. What I have steadfastly maintained is that you cannot ABANDON the run.. Certainly not when the game is within a score or two. This offense is built around play action.. Play action does not work if you don't run the ball at all. So as long as you're not falling way behind you need to continue to run the ball. Yes that changes if you get down more than two scores but until then you need to stay true to your identity and keep pecking away on the ground. You have to acknowledge that teams overcommit to stopping the run early because they WANT you to become one dimensional and thus easier to defend. It allows the linebackers to get tremendous depth on their drops because they are not having to check run first. As such they clamp down on your up the seam passing game. Now everything has to be horizonal and shallow and if they are a good tackling team your punter gets a lot of work.

Once they trick you into playing how THEY want you to play they're that much closer to beating you. No I do not want to see us run 15 delay shotgun handoffs up the middle.. I want the stretch play, the toss sweep, the jet sweep, the off tackle trap.. all of it. When teams are stacking you up inside it's stupid to keep running at the A-gap and hoping for a miracle. But it's just as stupid to quit running altogether and let the d-line tee off on your QB and let the defense drop 7 .. Maybe we can meet in the middle somewhere.. Mix in a variety of runs and see if the result changes. I'm betting it will.

There hasnt been 1 game where we abandoned the run. Not 1.

 

[darthseinfeld]

This is why you paid him, the $40 million man. Can they win a playoff game? I have serious doubts they will win this game

Im not concerned about them winning a playoff game. They have won in the playoffs before. But Im concerned about actually making a real

Its not that I am not concerned with SF. I am, they did sweep LA. They are a legit threat, and can surely beat.

 

[Aviano90]

Posters are so desperate for everyone else to share the same opinion they do.

 

[5Stars]

#2 Carolina - 130.3 passer rating W
#4 New England - 108.7 passer rating W
#7 New Orleans - 79.7 passer rating W
#8 Broncos - 73.9 L
#10 Philly - game 1 143.3 W
game 2 151.8 W


Hmmm.. 5-1 with a cumulative passer rating in the 115 (114.6) range.. 18 TD 3 INT.

What was this I keep hearing about how he "struggles against good defenses?"

Let's hope he keeps it up. I freaking want that six to SB...like the Steelers and the 40'niners have.

Screw Tom Brady...stupid GOAT, he has to many as it is. People can use numbers to show a trend...I see the trend going up for this coming game.