The NFL HC Carousel

[CouchCoach]

There are currently only 6 coaches with over 8 years with the same team: Belichick 21, Payton 15, Tomlin 14, Harbaugh 13, Carroll 11 and Reid 8.

26 teams with HC's with less than 6 years in the job and currently MIA, MIN, LV, CHI, DEN, NYG, JAX and HOU looking. LV might not count but that could depend on what happens Saturday.

The turnover in coaching is really higher than the usual 20-25% because of those 6 teams that have kept their HC's while division rivals have been through 4 or 5. Since New England hired Belichick in 2000, Dallas is on their 5th HC and had 1 for 10 years!

So, when you wonder why would Moore or Quinn think of that carousel vs staying a coordinator in Dallas, because they will both get brass rings even if it falls apart in 2 or 3 years. Then they will await their turn to get back on the carousel. There's no limit to how many times a coach can ride it.

 

[Avery]

Can’t believe the Texans fired Culley after a year with a roster full of holes, no draft picks and their franchise QB sidelined. What did they expect?

 

[Reality]

Personally, I think Moore would be foolish to take a head coach position right now unless his dream job is available and wanting to hire him. I do think it is smart that he interviews with any team that requests it so he gains that experience, but the odds would be against him succeeding right now and if that happens it may impact his chances in the future. He needs more (no pun intended) experience and another year or two could greatly improve his chances of head coaching success.

Quinn on the other hand, I think he has to decide does he want to be a head coach again right now. If he knows he wants to be a head coach, then he would be smart to leverage the great job he has done this year in turning around a really bad defense. If he truly is happy being the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys right now, he should keep doing that as I would fully expect him to get more head coach interest from other teams in the years to come.

Either way though, I do not think either of the Cowboys coordinators are irreplaceable. There are and will be good coaches available if that were to happen.

That said, I hope both decide to stay

 

[MichiganCowboyFan]

There are currently only 6 coaches with over 8 years with the same team: Belichick 21, Payton 15, Tomlin 14, Harbaugh 13, Carroll 11 and Reid 8.

26 teams with HC's with less than 6 years in the job and currently MIA, MIN, LV, CHI, DEN, NYG, JAX and HOU looking. LV might not count but that could depend on what happens Saturday.

The turnover in coaching is really higher than the usual 20-25% because of those 6 teams that have kept their HC's while division rivals have been through 4 or 5. Since New England hired Belichick in 2000, Dallas is on their 5th HC and had 1 for 10 years!

So, when you wonder why would Moore or Quinn think of that carousel vs staying a coordinator in Dallas, because they will both get brass rings even if it falls apart in 2 or 3 years. Then they will await their turn to get back on the carousel. There's no limit to how many times a coach can ride it.

That's not really true. Like Troy Aikman said during that AZ game, there aren't really many third chances. Quinn is less likely to accept a less than stellar opportunity because he knows it might be his last chance. Remember, he was in ATL for 6 years and after the SB choke job it was all downhill there. Also, Quinn's only been out of HCing for 1 year. I don't believe he will be hired to another team. Moore is much more likely to be HC for another team in 2022 because he's considered by -some people- another one of those young boy-wonders and a premier young offensive mind.

 

[Reality]

Can’t believe the Texans fired Culley after a year with a roster full of holes, no draft picks and their franchise QB sidelined. What did they expect?

Either they disliked him personally or they already know who they want and that person must have just recently become available.

 

[NorthTexan95]

There are currently only 6 coaches with over 8 years with the same team: Belichick 21, Payton 15, Tomlin 14, Harbaugh 13, Carroll 11 and Reid 8.

26 teams with HC's with less than 6 years in the job and currently MIA, MIN, LV, CHI, DEN, NYG, JAX and HOU looking. LV might not count but that could depend on what happens Saturday.

The turnover in coaching is really higher than the usual 20-25% because of those 6 teams that have kept their HC's while division rivals have been through 4 or 5. Since New England hired Belichick in 2000, Dallas is on their 5th HC and had 1 for 10 years!

So, when you wonder why would Moore or Quinn think of that carousel vs staying a coordinator in Dallas, because they will both get brass rings even if it falls apart in 2 or 3 years. Then they will await their turn to get back on the carousel. There's no limit to how many times a coach can ride it.

All those coaches are Super Bowl winners. Makes me wonder if Garrett would still be here if we had won a Super Bowl in '14 or '16.

 

[Risen Star]

Can’t believe the Texans fired Culley after a year with a roster full of holes, no draft picks and their franchise QB sidelined. What did they expect?

 

[FloridaRob]

i am still betting Nathaniel Hacket gets the Denver job and then coaxes Rodgers to join him there.

 

[DasTex]

Can’t believe the Texans fired Culley after a year with a roster full of holes, no draft picks and their franchise QB sidelined. What did they expect?

I think they planned that all along, since they only gave him a 2 yr deal. Culley was probably aware of it.

Make wine out of dog pee, you get another year. If you don't, you were well compensated and you were an NFL head coach.

 

[Blackrain]

First off I think Jerry should just pay Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn whatever money it takes to keep them.

There seems to be good continuity and the players like playing for them They are well liked coaches and there is no reason since there is no cap on coaching not to just pay them.

That said if I'm Dan Quinn and I really want a head coaching job I take it now because Dan Quinn didn't turn our defense around Micah Parsons and Diggs turned our defense around.

We had just about the same amount of yards run up on us this year as we did last year with our historically bad defense .

The difference was an extra 25 turnovers created by our young dynamic duo

In my opinion without those two young players on this defense Dan Quinn wouldn't be getting a phone call

 

[CouchCoach]

That is also the reason Wade was fired in Buffalo. He refused to fire a coach they wanted fired after that HOU meltdown.

 

[Zman5]

Personally, I think Moore would be foolish to take a head coach position right now unless his dream job is available and wanting to hire him. I do think it is smart that he interviews with any team that requests it so he gains that experience, but the odds would be against him succeeding right now and if that happens it may impact his chances in the future. He needs more (no pun intended) experience and another year or two could greatly improve his chances of head coaching success.

Quinn on the other hand, I think he has to decide does he want to be a head coach again right now. If he knows he wants to be a head coach, then he would be smart to leverage the great job he has done this year in turning around a really bad defense. If he truly is happy being the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys right now, he should keep doing that as I would fully expect him to get more head coach interest from other teams in the years to come.

Either way though, I do not think either of the Cowboys coordinators are irreplaceable. There are and will be good coaches available if that were to happen.

That said, I hope both decide to stay

Exactly. There is only one Jerry. Moore isn't going to get the JG treatment anywhere and get 10 years to learn on the
job.

 

[csirl]

Being a failed HC doesnt seem to damage a coaches ability to get a coordinator job afterwards. In fact it enhances it as the experience of being a HC often gives them a greater understanding of the role of the HC they support. So I'd advise and coordinator who's been offered a first time HC job to accept it .

 

[TheDude]

i am still betting Nathaniel Hacket gets the Denver job and then coaxes Rodgers to join him there.

Rogers wont go to a division that competitive.

 

[visionary]

First off I think Jerry should just pay Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn whatever money it takes to keep them.

There seems to be good continuity and the players like playing for them They are well liked coaches and there is no reason since there is no cap on coaching not to just pay them.

That said if I'm Dan Quinn and I really want a head coaching job I take it now because Dan Quinn didn't turn our defense around Micah Parsons and Diggs turned our defense around.

We had just about the same amount of yards run up on us this year as we did last year with our historically bad defense .

The difference was an extra 25 turnovers created by our young dynamic duo

In my opinion without those two young players on this defense Dan Quinn wouldn't be getting a phone call

Agree about our defense
Been saying it all year. We are an above average not great defense made to look better by turnovers. Great defenses don’t rely on turnovers, they rely on pressure, discipline, gap control, and tackling. We don’t do those well.
Hopefully we can change that in the playoffs

 

[CouchCoach]

Personally, I think Moore would be foolish to take a head coach position right now unless his dream job is available and wanting to hire him. I do think it is smart that he interviews with any team that requests it so he gains that experience, but the odds would be against him succeeding right now and if that happens it may impact his chances in the future. He needs more (no pun intended) experience and another year or two could greatly improve his chances of head coaching success.

Quinn on the other hand, I think he has to decide does he want to be a head coach again right now. If he knows he wants to be a head coach, then he would be smart to leverage the great job he has done this year in turning around a really bad defense. If he truly is happy being the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys right now, he should keep doing that as I would fully expect him to get more head coach interest from other teams in the years to come.

Either way though, I do not think either of the Cowboys coordinators are irreplaceable. There are and will be good coaches available if that were to happen.

That said, I hope both decide to stay

I think the NFL is so expectant of failure and turnover, Moore can't get hurt by jumping now. All comes down to the deal he can get.

If he gets an offer like the coach in HOU took, forget it. They needed a body.

It is all about that contract and walk away money.

 

[Doomsday101]

NFL radio was talking about the interview process and the difference in coaches who have been around and young coaches looking for their 1st chance. They said often the owner or GM will ask the candidate what do you like about this ball club and what don't you like. Vet coaches will be quick to say what they don't like and what must change to accept the job. Younger coaches tend to tell owner, I like this team and feel I can make them better. Younger coach eager to please to get the chance, vet coaches know that walking into a bad situation with no real changes will not work.

 

[Zman5]

People don't realize the hardest part about becoming a HC is getting a good staff together. That comes with experience where you work and network with other coaches. It's no different than other jobs in the real world.

People keep mentioning McVay being successful as a very young coach, but they forget he had been coaching in the NFL for 9 years before getting the HC job with the Rams.

 

[Blackrain]

Agree about our defense
Been saying it all year. We are an above average not great defense made to look better by turnovers. Great defenses don’t rely on turnovers, they rely on pressure, discipline, gap control, and tackling. We don’t do those well.
Hopefully we can change that in the playoffs

All true brother I watch us get gashed down the field and then one of our young talented studs pulls the rabbit out of the hat and saves all the business decision makers from looking bad.

We need guys on our defense besides Micah to start tackling like San Francisco's skill players stole their mama's purse

 

[Reality]

I think the NFL is so expectant of failure and turnover, Moore can't get hurt by jumping now. All comes down to the deal he can get.

If he gets an offer like the coach in HOU took, forget it. They needed a body.

It is all about that contract and walk away money.

Coordinators that fail quickly or spectacularly in their first head coaching job will struggle to get a second chance.

Most head coaches are doomed to be fired at some point, but you would rather be fired 4-5 years down the road after you have had at least one or two good seasons in the past to show you are capable of it.

If Moore takes a job, they go 6-11 or worse and he gets fired after one season, it will be years before he gets another chance, at least in the NFL.

Quinn has a Super Bowl appearance to fall back on, but Moore needs his first head coaching job to last long enough to prove he can handle it.