The Truth seems to be really hard for people to understand and/or accept

[CATCH17]

The Bengals are still playing and the Cowboys are at home.

Good thing they don’t have Dak cause the Bengals would be at home and we’d still be playing if we had Burrow.

 

[Haimerej]

Every game is a summation of what players and coaches do or do not do well or not well for four quarters. Every single post or thread title singling out one position as always the primary asset or liability in any game's outcome is a denial typed in black-and-white.

When you throw that word in, "always," you enter strawman territory. Not sure anyone says it's always the QB's fault.

 

[GINeric]

In our current day and age, the Truth seems to be really hard for people to understand and/or accept. I'd like to share with you some truth.

Football is a team game. Some call it the ultimate team game. The media and internet 'experts' try to oversimplify it and tell you that it's the QB... But it's not on him individually. It is one of the most important positions but it's not the key metric to team success. Fantasy football has also helped perpetuate this belief.

I'll give you a couple of examples:
Aaron Rodgers is largely believed to be one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. He has ONE super bowl on his resume with a lot of playoff failures.
Patrick Mahomes. Often considered the next coming of football Jesus... has struggled mightily when things aren't perfect around him, including the last SuperBowl and an ~8 game stretch this season where the Chiefs had to go way back to the basics and sort of 'reset' their offense around running the ball and fundamentals.
Justin Herbert. Another second coming... missed the playoffs once again.

You might read that and think I'm now blaming those QBs for a lack of success. I'm not. They are examples of GREAT QBs in different stages of their careers that are struggling or have struggled.

The Chiefs got going because the DEFENSE became dominant and they committed to running the ball. Green Bay's big coaching change really just was a coach that committed to the run game. Look at the Rams. They run the ball they win. Stafford had 8 passes at half vs the Cards.

The truth is... Dak is a top 10 QB in this league. The team failed to execute (penalties). The coaches failed to develop consistent game plans that WON football games. They failed to rest injured players and exploit advantages The FO failed to address key position groups. And, at times, Dak failed too. But it's the team.

Absolutely, well said!!! HOF players, coaches, and GMs have all said Dak is a top 10 qb. But you have a few weak *** Dak hatin cowards here thats called Dak average and below average. Its always hilarious when those weak ones try to act like they know more than the professionals.

With that said, we have to get more out of our coaching, our offense has to be more creative, and our defense need to remain aggressive but get smarter. We also need some space eating interior defensive linemen.

 

[cmoney23]

Absolutely, well said!!! HOF players, coaches, and GMs have all said Dak is a top 10 qb. But you have a few weak *** Dak hatin cowards here thats called Dak average and below average. Its always hilarious when those weak ones try to act like they know more than the professionals.

With that said, we have to get more out of our coaching, our offense has to be more creative, and our defense need to remain aggressive but get smarter. We also need some space eating interior defensive linemen.

Thank you.

I would disagree with one thing you said... I don't think our offense needs to get more creative. I think we have plenty of creativity. I think they need to exploit more. We have such talent. Get the ball to those players. Troy Aikman touched on this recently. Go check out his comment.

 

[cmoney23]

"Just like Brady"? You think Brady performs like Mac Jones did against Buffalo?

I'm not comparing the QBs you are. I'm saying that the TEAMS success or failure is similar regardless of the QB.

 

[cmoney23]

Good thing they don’t have Dak cause the Bengals would be at home and we’d still be playing if we had Burrow.

This is quite the assumption. I know what they say about assumptions and it's proving true here.

 

[Haimerej]

I'm not comparing the QBs you are. I'm saying that the TEAMS success or failure is similar regardless of the QB.

You're honestly saying that Brady or Mac Jones wouldn't make a difference? You're the one who said, "regardless of the QB."

 

[ScalperX]

It’s easy to ignore when Tom Brady hops over to a team who hasn’t won anything in a long time and goes right in and wins his 7th trophy.

It’s a QB sport. The salary cap has turned it into a parity league and if anything our roster was one of the better rosters in football this year.

Next year will be year 7 for Dak and he’s won nothing. Elite QBs really don’t go that long only having a single wildcard win. It’s actually pathetic all things considered.

I'm sure everyone on this forum would love a Brady/Rodgers/Mahomes/etc... but the reality is those guys are few and far between. It could take years and several first round picks before we draft a guy better than Dak let alone an elite level QB. The only way you take the risk of giving up picks and wasting years looking for "that guy" is if you believe you have no shot with the current guy. And I'm sorry but if guys like Joe Flacco, Collin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Jared Goff, and Jimmy Garoppolo can make it to a Super Bowl... so can Dak. He's going to need some help though.

 

[GINeric]

Stop comparing Dak to QBs who have won things.

It’s only a team sport when the QB isn’t that good.

The teams with the best QBs win more times than not.

Joe Burrow went to one of the worst organizations in not only football but all of sports and he’s 1 game away from a AFC title game behind one of the worst Olines in football.

It’s a QB driven league and it’s not an accident our guy has 1 playoff wildcard win in 6 seasons. He’s just not that good.

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Steve McNair, and Warren Moon never won a Superbowl, but are all HOFers.... Trent Dilpher won a Superbowl and isn't even inducted into his college or high school HOF.

Nick Foles won a Superbowl and bounced around to 2 or three other teams after that. Dilpher and Foles are damn sure not better than Dak...So tell me which quarterback between Dilpher and Foles were better quarterbacks than Marino, Kelly, McNair, or Moon.


I'll wait....

 

[DallasEast]

When you throw that word in, "always," you enter strawman territory. Not sure anyone says it's always the QB's fault.

It is necessary for anyone to verbally state "It is the quarterback's fault" while [purposely] omitting or minimizing from their conversation any deficits related to other players' performance, coaching decisions, the opponent's execution, etc.? Well. If so, label my comments as strawman. I will offer zero counter-argument.

Work beckons. I'm out. Y'all have fun!

 

[McKDaddy]

If you watched Bengals football, outside of the last two games of the year, they were winning on the legs of Mixon, not the arm of Burrow. Heck, even in the chiefs win... a lot of the yards Burrow put up was YAC from Chase.

Burrow is a good young QB, but that TEAM lead the way.

CMoney your statement is flawed though. The offense moves because Burrow doesn't care if his receiver is covered or not. He's gonna put it where his guy can succeed & the defender can't do anything about it. That is what the top QB's do. Sure, they are gonna let their backs keep it balanced but ultimately they are gonna beat you thru the air.

 

[fansince68]

I agree it’s on Moore. But dak playing poor is a huge issue. He has as much talent around him as any quarterback in football. When he’s taking up 40 mil a year it isn’t going to get any better.

Explain to me on 3rd and 5 from midfield… why is dak forcing the ball into the flat to a covered zeke? That’s just not a winning play.

Besides, that play to zeke in the flats never works. Dak either over throws zeke, undergrowth zeke, or throws late giving the defender easy chance for the stop.

 

[coogrfan]

Stop comparing Dak to QBs who have won things.

It’s only a team sport when the QB isn’t that good.

The teams with the best QBs win more times than not.

Joe Burrow went to one of the worst organizations in not only football but all of sports and he’s 1 game away from a AFC title game behind one of the worst Olines in football.

It’s a QB driven league and it’s not an accident our guy has 1 playoff wildcard win in 6 seasons. He’s just not that good.

Dallas (18 games): 141 penalties accepted against (168 overall) for 1192 yards.
Cinci (18 games): 79 penalties accepted against (91 overall) for 676 yards.

Call me crazy, but I think that might be the reason the Bengals are still playing and we aren't.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/

 

[DallasEast]

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[Haimerej]

It is necessary for anyone to verbally state "It is the quarterback's fault" while [purposely] omitting or minimizing from their conversation any deficits related to other players' performance, coaching decisions, the opponent's execution, etc.? Well. If so, label my comments as strawman. I will offer zero counter-argument.

Work beckons. I'm out. Y'all have fun!

Sometimes a QB plays well and his team loses. If that's the argument for the SF game, I'll point you to a nearly 40 minute video by a HoF QB who spends the majority of it criticizing Dak and his decisions.

But I guess that means Kurt Warner is in denial.

 

[kwcool619]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

The Bengals also run the ball 26 times per game with one of the better RBs in the league. Burrow averaged 275 yards passing in their wins and 339 yards passing in their losses!!!

If you watched Bengals football, outside of the last two games of the year, they were winning on the legs of Mixon, not the arm of Burrow. Heck, even in the chiefs win... a lot of the yards Burrow put up was YAC from Chase.

Burrow is a good young QB, but that TEAM lead the way.

Mixon is a baaaaddd man. Ever since his days at Oklahoma. That Bengal Offense will be very good if Burrow, Chase, Mixon, and Higgins can stay together. The Defense? Can be better but I am not a believer yet.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

In our current day and age, the Truth seems to be really hard for people to understand and/or accept. I'd like to share with you some truth.

Football is a team game. Some call it the ultimate team game. The media and internet 'experts' try to oversimplify it and tell you that it's the QB... But it's not on him individually. It is one of the most important positions but it's not the key metric to team success. Fantasy football has also helped perpetuate this belief.

I'll give you a couple of examples:
Aaron Rodgers is largely believed to be one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. He has ONE super bowl on his resume with a lot of playoff failures.
Patrick Mahomes. Often considered the next coming of football Jesus... has struggled mightily when things aren't perfect around him, including the last SuperBowl and an ~8 game stretch this season where the Chiefs had to go way back to the basics and sort of 'reset' their offense around running the ball and fundamentals.
Justin Herbert. Another second coming... missed the playoffs once again.

You might read that and think I'm now blaming those QBs for a lack of success. I'm not. They are examples of GREAT QBs in different stages of their careers that are struggling or have struggled.

The Chiefs got going because the DEFENSE became dominant and they committed to running the ball. Green Bay's big coaching change really just was a coach that committed to the run game. Look at the Rams. They run the ball they win. Stafford had 8 passes at half vs the Cards.

The truth is... Dak is a top 10 QB in this league. The team failed to execute (penalties). The coaches failed to develop consistent game plans that WON football games. They failed to rest injured players and exploit advantages The FO failed to address key position groups. And, at times, Dak failed too. But it's the team.

I kind of see the point you are trying to make...but for an organization that has averaged 1 playoff win every 8 years over the past 25 years...I don't think we should reference Aaron Rodgers, or Patrick Mahomes or the Rams when making comparisons. Those teams win as many playoff games in 1 SINGULAR postseason...than we have in the last 25 years combined!!! Heck Nick Foles won more playoff games a couple of years ago...than Dallas has won in the last 25 years. Heck, the Jacksonville Jaguars...who were not even in existence before 1995...have played in 2 conference title games since we last did. Of note, Tom Coughlin returned there a few years ago in a consultant role...and got them back to the conference title game with Blake Bortles!!!!!

So it is simply poor timing for an excuse making post like this!

 

[coogrfan]

CMoney your statement is flawed though. The offense moves because Burrow doesn't care if his receiver is covered or not. He's gonna put it where his guy can succeed & the defender can't do anything about it. That is what the top QB's do. Sure, they are gonna let their backs keep it balanced but ultimately they are gonna beat you thru the air.

Truth, but also because the Bengals don't shoot themselves in the foot at anything like the rate way did. Want more? We had 50 pre-snap penalties. Cinci had only 30. I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

 

[Dale]

I agree with most of your premise, including the assertion that Dak is a top 10 QB. But I think you err in your rationalization by placing too much emphasis on Super Bowl wins as if Dak is merely "one" of anything away from being an equal to the likes of Rodgers or Mahomes.

The true measure of great QB play, in my opinion, is the consistent relevancy provided by a Rodgers or Mahomes. How many playoff runs have the likes of Rodgers and Mahomes combined for? How many time has each advanced to the conference championship game (5 for Rodgers and 3 straight for Mahomes, I believe)?

Dating back to 2007, we have been consistent in winning the NFC East every 2.5 years (6 titles in 15 years) but the Cowboys have posed zero threat to the league beyond that. No, that onus doesn't lie only at the feet of our QBs -- but a large portion of it certainly does. Go back and review the career of every "great" QB from the last 15 years and I'm willing to bet you won't find many who are not regularly in the postseason.

Herbert is just a baby in this league and doesn't belong anywhere near this conversation at this point. He's immensely talented, but will soon be hitting that pressure point where he is judged by whether or not he takes his team to the postseason.

 

[Creeper]

In our current day and age, the Truth seems to be really hard for people to understand and/or accept. I'd like to share with you some truth.

Football is a team game. Some call it the ultimate team game. The media and internet 'experts' try to oversimplify it and tell you that it's the QB... But it's not on him individually. It is one of the most important positions but it's not the key metric to team success. Fantasy football has also helped perpetuate this belief.

I'll give you a couple of examples:
Aaron Rodgers is largely believed to be one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. He has ONE super bowl on his resume with a lot of playoff failures.
Patrick Mahomes. Often considered the next coming of football Jesus... has struggled mightily when things aren't perfect around him, including the last SuperBowl and an ~8 game stretch this season where the Chiefs had to go way back to the basics and sort of 'reset' their offense around running the ball and fundamentals.
Justin Herbert. Another second coming... missed the playoffs once again.

You might read that and think I'm now blaming those QBs for a lack of success. I'm not. They are examples of GREAT QBs in different stages of their careers that are struggling or have struggled.

The Chiefs got going because the DEFENSE became dominant and they committed to running the ball. Green Bay's big coaching change really just was a coach that committed to the run game. Look at the Rams. They run the ball they win. Stafford had 8 passes at half vs the Cards.

The truth is... Dak is a top 10 QB in this league. The team failed to execute (penalties). The coaches failed to develop consistent game plans that WON football games. They failed to rest injured players and exploit advantages The FO failed to address key position groups. And, at times, Dak failed too. But it's the team.

I don't disagree completely, football is truly a team effort. The team will only be as good as the weakest link. But certain guys on a team have more influence over the outcome than other guys on the team and that is especially true for the QB. Plus, you cannot separate the results on the field from the salary CAP. A QB who gets paid $40 million should accept more responsibility for the outcome.