Is Dak’s accuracy related to too much muscle?

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He reminds me of mcnabb. Maybe he could pass from more angles with less weight. I also think cooper needs to drop 10 pounds.
 
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I think his natural physique and genetics definitely play a role.

I play golf with athletes built like Dak who have excelled in fast twitch sports.
They'll often crush the ball every 1 out of 10 tries but have no grace or touch with their ball striking and follow through, and therefore can't hit the broad side of a barn. Also, they're wildly inconsistent and hardly reliable if on your team in a scramble.

I think it's similar with quarterbacks. Something I noticed about Allen and Mahomes, is they can zip it with just the right touch. Dak can only throw missiles.
 
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Pretty common for players to bulk up a little more from their rookie season to 3-4 years into their careers. Tom Brady isn't the same lanky dude he was coming into the NFL.

I'm not educated enough to say whether or not it has caused him to be less accurate. I think his accuracy has gotten better, he's just throwing more than he did early on. He'll always be inconsistent though.
 
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I think he looked in much better shape as a rookie than he does now.

I don't know if it's muscle or chunkiness, but he has gained a few.

Him and Zeke have been on the same diet since 2016 it seems, fatter and more unathletic every year.
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He looked huge as a rookie. He’a definitely lost some weight/BF.
 
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IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well
 
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His footwork is off also. Maybe having trouble planting and throwing off the foot after the pats game.
 
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Hawkeye19 said:
IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well
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Awhile ago there was a throwing contest between Dak and Raiders QB Carr. The Raiders QB thrashed him.

Aikman was great at throwing WR’s open as he could count on there being at “ the spot”. As stated I agree Dak doesn’t trust that so he waits for someone he feels comfortable getting the ball to.

He needs an OC that can scheme guys to be “ more open” as many other teams do......

Also we see very few quick slants like other teams , I think for the same reason. You need to throw a little ahead of the receiver and Dak fears the Int instead of the completion.
 
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mahoneybill said:
Awhile ago there was a throwing contest between Dak and Raiders QB Carr. The Raiders QB thrashed him.

Aikman was great at throwing WR’s open as he could count on there being at “ the spot”. As stated I agree Dak doesn’t trust that so he waits for someone he feels comfortable getting the ball to.

He needs an OC that can scheme guys to be “ more open” as many other teams do......

Also we see very few quick slants like other teams , I think for the same reason. You need to throw a little ahead of the receiver and Dak fears the Int instead of the completion.
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Hawkeye19 said:
IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well
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This. Have always said this is one of Daks biggest flaws as a quarterback. His anticipation is atrocious this why we run tons of pylon / curl routes. So many balls thrown behind recievers on slants making them stop or slow up on routes cause he wants till they break and get open instead of throwing before hand.

Mahomes and kelce had a tremendous game. One big play kelce turned to the hashes and on the replay you can see mahomes release the ball before he cuts back and turns around. Kelce turns and the ball hits him in stride perfectly. Dak does not make that throw to begin with most of the time. He would of checked down somewhere else.
 

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3rdEyewarrior said:
He reminds me of mcnabb. Maybe he could pass from more angles with less weight. I also think cooper needs to drop 10 pounds.
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no. its his bad footwork. first half of season and in 2020, his footwork was really good, which gave him consistent release point in his throws allowing him to put the ball where he wanted to...second half this season, his footwork was poor. his feet were parallel, he was lifting his back leg before the throw, he was putting upper body english into the throws to give it more zip and his release point was inaccurate, that's why sometimes the ball sailed, sometimes hit the ground, etc. his deeper throws if you watched he would put a lot of upper body english to get the ball out with zip, but his velocity was down, thus his throws were often behind the WR....he just couldn't get the ball there when he wanted (right placement, a little late).
 

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Hawkeye19 said:
IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well
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the lack of anticipation in my opinion is result of him not trusting himself to put the ball where it needs to go and when, so he holds on to the ball too long. its direct result of his accuracy issues later in the year.
 
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