The Rams are a model for the Cowboys

Diehardblues

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and if they don't? When you say "we" you mean you, I don't want to see a 1 year run. I would always look to build now and have a chance to compete longer term as well.
Understood but there no guarantee either way. Even most teams this era who have built it the right way haven’t won more than 1 SB anyway why not risk it all for one. Ultimately that’s all we want anyway.

Amd we represents the Cowboys. I’d argue our owner would sacrifice the immediate future if he thought he could win one more.
 

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Understood but there no guarantee either way. Even most teams this era who have built it the right way haven’t won more than 1 SB anyway why not risk it all for one. Ultimately that’s all we want anyway.

Because they look at today and the future of being relevant. Coaching staff and front office tend to think of today and long term which is why most do not go all in for 1 shot. Rams did and even if they win it this year no one will give a crap 2 years from now. I can't say I am one for so called going all in for 1 season. That is just me.
 

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Dont forget how KC rebuilt the OL in one year..... Both the Rams and KC.....made the moves to win....KC went deep in the playoffs and Rams are in the Superbowl
KC has two rookie starters on the oline ad one is a superstar.
They mostly did it thru the draft
 

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Feel like we are closer to the Niners model than we are the Rams. They have built from the trenches out and have been able to find success with a strong running game and an average QB.
 

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Because they look at today and the future of being relevant. Coaching staff and front office tend to think of today and long term which is why most do not go all in for 1 shot. Rams did and even if they win it this year no one will give a crap 2 years from now. I can't say I am one for so called going all in for 1 season. That is just me.
Relevancy without championships is more attractive to you. I’m not sure everyone would agree.

And it will be interesting to see how irrelevant Tampa and LA will be afterwards.

The fans will care. Look how much we still reference our prior success.
 

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Relevancy without championships is more attractive to you. I’m not sure everyone would agree.

And it will be interesting to see how irrelevant Tampa and LA will be afterwards.

The fans will care. Look how much we still reference our prior success.

Maybe so but it also appears to be the case with most organization who do not do it. You may want this and that is fine, that is how you feel. We do look at past success but is was never a 1 season deal that made those teams in the 70's and 90's special.
 

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So get rid of your QB for a better one? Where do I sign?
Cooper Kupp yards per game

Goff
2017….57.9
2018…70.8
2019…72.6
2020…64.9

Stafford
2021….114.5

90% improvement
 

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Maybe so but it also appears to be the case with most organization who do not do it. You may want this and that is fine, that is how you feel. We do look at past success but is was never a 1 season deal that made those teams in the 70's and 90's special.
In not even saying I’d want this. And it doesn’t have to be now. Maybe a couple years. I’m just presenting an argument if we did.

But I think with the recent success Tampa and LA have had it’s more than just a pipe dream now depending on the circumstances worthwhile of a look especially with an owner with history of risk taking with little to lose and desire to win one more this era to prove his football guy acumen.
 

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In not even saying I’d want this. I’m just presenting an argument if we did.

But I think with the recent success Tampa and LA have had it’s more than just a pipe dream now depending on the circumstances worthwhile of a look especially with an owner with history of risk taking with little to lose and desire to win one more this era to prove his football guy acumen.

I don't really see where Tampa went all in. Yes they got rid Winston and brought in Brady who price tag cost them an avg of 25 mill for starting QB, Gronk came in at a good rate and Tampa still has their draft picks.
 

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I don't really see where Tampa went all in. Yes they got rid Winston and brought in Brady who price tag cost them an avg of 25 mill for starting QB, Gronk came in at a good rate and Tampa still has their draft picks.
You’re forgetting a couple others they brought in like Fortnette and Brown.

And yes, Tampa is an example that didn’t even have to mortgage the future.
 

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You’re forgetting a couple others they brought in like Fortnette and Brown.

And yes, Tampa is an example that didn’t even have to mortgage the future.

Fournette was released by Jacksonville and Brown was a head case who burnt his last bridge this past season and Tampa gave up nothing to get either guy Brown came in on a 1 year deal of 3 plus mill. I don't call that going all in. When I hear all in that means you are giving up top picks in hopes to achieve a SB. Many guys like Von Miller maybe hard to resign since Rams do not have a ton of cap space.
 

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Right. The Cap era has reshaped how teams are built and maintained . Why not use it in the capacity these last 2 Super Bowl teams have turned it around. I think it’s a potential model we haven’t seen much of this era.

And with an aging owner desperate to prove himself it appeared to me with the Rams this year it could be something our owner considers at some point.

Philly did it too. After Chip Kelly left, Howie Roseman did a ton of deals. Denver did it the year DWARE won a ring.

If you don't have Tom Brady, its impossible to maintain a high level. Watch what happens to Tampa next year.
 

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Stephen simply does not believe in middle-ground vet acquisitions. It's more the Money Ball approach.

NFL draft, ..bargain-cheap vet FA's and re-signing core players (dak, ZKE, cooper, martin, etc.) That's the Stephen core plan and he refuses to deter away from it.

The only time we dare try that route was the mid season Amari Cooper trade when we were just too crappy at WR unit.
He has a clear, distinct plan to build via the draft, sign low cost veteran stop gap starters and retain their own. We have seen a few instances like Cooper, Hardy, Quinn in the past.
 

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Hopefully Jethro will pay attention to how they turned this around by making bold moves in FA and blockbuster trades not satisfied with just a playoff team.

They took a chance mortgaging the future to win now. This is definitely a model our owner could follow . And could be the best path to bringing in more talent to get over the hump, now.

And if a Niners DB had caught the easiest interception of his career instead of dropping it, wed be saying how the Rams blew it and gave up their future and it was a huge failure..
 

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Remember when we were the model for other teams? Oh, the memories.
 

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And if a Niners DB had caught the easiest interception of his career instead of dropping it, wed be saying how the Rams blew it and gave up their future and it was a huge failure..
But he didn’t and why we play the games . I’d still argue the Rams are in a better place than we are.

The Rams and Bucs have both provided a blueprint to go against what most have accepted as the roadmap to build a championship caliber team this era .
 

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Let's see if the Iceman, Joe Burrow, can change your perspective on how its done.
There is no future in win now. But is there a future anyway. And who cares if we win now.
Let's see if the Iceman, Joe Burrow, can change your perspective on how its done. I am convinced no matter what happens SB Sunday.
 

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Let's see if the Iceman, Joe Burrow, can change your perspective on how its done.

Let's see if the Iceman, Joe Burrow, can change your perspective on how its done. I am convinced no matter what happens SB Sunday.
Win or lose it’s still a blueprint to the Super Bowl. I doubt the Rams will have any regrets in a loss.

It certainly won’t change my view.
 

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But he didn’t and why we play the games . I’d still argue the Rams are in a better place than we are.

The Rams and Bucs have both provided a blueprint to go against what most have accepted as the roadmap to build a championship caliber team this era .

bahah, of course they are, they made the SB. And they will pay dearly over the next 5 years.

The bucs provided no road map to anything. They lucked out when Brady dropped in their laps. There was ZERO they did for such a windfall. And just as quickly as their fortunes turned from garbage to gold, they are about to go back to garbage.Unless Rodgers or DeSean Watson drops in their lap.

The fact the Rams LUCKED out and the DB dropped the ball had zero to do with ANYTHING THEY DID.
 
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