Video: TheHerd: Dak and the Dallas Cowboys have taken a step back

[Stash]

dollars to doughnuts if our pass game works with lamb...gallup...and washington he'll say..."i never really liked amari there".

And be right back on the Dakwagon. He's jumped on and off that train so many times that I don't even care what his opinion is on that subject at this point.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You don't think Fowler is a potential improvement over Gregory?

I don't.

 

[Stash]

I don't.

I do.

On all fronts.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=FowlDa00&player_id2=GregRa00

 

[cowboyec]

And be right back on the Dakwagon. He's jumped on and off that train so many times that I don't even care what his opinion is on that subject at this point.

id watch your show,friend.

 

[Stash]

id watch your show,friend.

Thanks!

As soon as I start one, you'll be the first to know!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I do.

On all fronts.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=FowlDa00&player_id2=GregRa00

gregory for reasons we know has only played 50 games, but extrapolate that to 91 and his stats are about the same, so for whatever raason Folwer is on his 4th team. so I don't see improvement. I see a guy who is not special and gets bumped from team to team because they can move on from him.

btw, I wasn't overly impressed with Gregory neither. he is knucklehead and it showed in the SF game as well. very undisciplined

 

[Stash]

gregory for reasons we know has only played 50 games, but extrapolate that to 91 and his stats are about the same, so for whatever raason Folwer is on his 4th team. so I don't see improvement. I see a guy who is not special and gets bumped from team to team because they can move on from him.

Special enough to be the #3 overall pick and first defender taken in his draft.

Special enough to have two seasons with more sacks than Gregory’s career high of 6.

Special enough to have had an 11.5 sack season which nearly DOUBLES Gregory’s best.

He’s a better, more proven, more reliable option than Gregory. At a fraction of the cost.

btw, I wasn't overly impressed with Gregory neither. he is knucklehead and it showed in the SF game as well. very undisciplined

So how is Fowler not an improvement just by not being a knucklehead?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Special enough to be the #3 overall pick and first defender taken in his draft.

Special enough to have two seasons with more sacks than Gregory’s career high of 6.

Special enough to have had an 11.5 sack season which nearly DOUBLES Gregory’s best.

He’s a better, more proven, more reliable option than Gregory. At a fraction of the cost.



So how is Fowler not an improvement just by not being a knucklehead?

after so many years I don't put much stock into draft picks. you are what you are after 6 years in the NFL. Leaf was second over all pick, didn't amount to much.

also, Gregory was slated to be a top 10 pick, much like Fowler, but slid because of pot issues. we know how that turned out and time missed.

if he is proven, more reliable and better, then why didn't denver go after him nor did we (since Gregory was our first choice)? he is cheaper too.

again, we are his 4th team in 6 years in the league. that alone speaks volumes. he didn't even finish his first contract, nor did the team ever consider using the 5th year option.

now, about the knucklehead stuff. I was referencing specifically to the SF game. his previous acts not withstanding. Fowler might be improvement by not being a knuckle head, but I am not ready to crown anyone anything, until we see the play on the field. sorry, I just don't buy into the hype. I don't think JAGs drink a special koolaid once they enter Dallas complex that makes them a better player automtically....(Unless I know what's in that special kool aid )

 

[conner01]

You can’t count on that little event to fill the holes on the roster. Drafting two players that become starters at some point would be a good draft. 4-5 starters have been lost this offseason and counting on 5th round draftees to fill those holes is wishful thinking. The first pick at 24 will probably be a player that they have a second round grade on unless a highly rated player drops for some reason. Dallas usually has a first round grade on 15-20 players.

We should be able to add two players who contribute right away if we do a solid job of drafting
We aren’t filling every hole in the draft for sure
But if we can fix the oline that’s a huge impact on the roster
If we could get two guys who really contribute right away and a couple who can soon contribute some that’s a good draft. You ain’t getting 3-4 quality starters though where we are picking
We could improve our chances if we use some of those 5th round picks to move around in other rounds or maybe use on a punter or kicker
LB is a spot you can get guys in 4th round that can develop into good solid players

 

[Stash]

after so many years I don't put much stock into draft picks. you are what you are after 6 years in the NFL. Leaf was second over all pick, didn't amount to much.

also, Gregory was slated to be a top 10 pick, much like Fowler, but slid because of pot issues. we know how that turned out and time missed.

if he is proven, more reliable and better, then why didn't denver go after him nor did we (since Gregory was our first choice)? he is cheaper too.

Gregory’s Denver-based agent may have had something to do with that? No?

again, we are his 4th team in 6 years in the league. that alone speaks volumes. he didn't even finish his first contract, nor did the team ever consider using the 5th year option.

And Von Miller is on this third team in two years. It doesn’t make him a bad player.

now, about the knucklehead stuff. I was referencing specifically to the SF game. his previous acts not withstanding. Fowler might be improvement by not being a knuckle head, but I am not ready to crown anyone anything, until we see the play on the field. sorry, I just don't buy into the hype. I don't think JAGs drink a special koolaid once they enter Dallas complex that makes them a better player automtically....(Unless I know what's in that special kool aid )

What about his 11.5 and 8 sack seasons?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Gregory’s Denver-based agent may have had something to do with that? No?



And Von Miller is on this third team in two years. It doesn’t make him a bad player.



What about his 11.5 and 8 sack seasons?

I don't know. there are stories out there, but the news was we are about to sign him, because we wanted him. jerry made the deal. stephen changed the contract and Gregory got Peed off and left. it wasn't because we didn't care for him, in fact we had made an offer and contracts were similar.

you can't compare Von Miller, to Fowler....Miller is older. he was a key piece of the Denver defense for 9 years. he played out his rookie deal and got a second deal. he is older and cost more and denver wanted to rebuild. get younger. so they let him walk to create cap space. he becamse a hired hand for a superbowl run for Rams. they jumped at the chance to sign him. now he is a FA. its not because he is not wanted or gets shuffled from team to team every other year like fowler.

what about those years with 11 or 8 sacks? if he is that good. why is he not with Rams? I mean you are putting him above Gregory, but yet no team was clamouring for him and he wasn't one of the top FAs in 2022...... one year and they walked away. Rams paid a 3rd round pick for the 3rd over all pick and next year they let him walk. he had 11.5 sacks.... so no, his case of going from team to team is different than Miller and perhaps he is a knuckle head too and we just haven't learned that.

btw, it seems like he was on a good team with Rams, benefited by good players around him and lucked into 11.5....last two years, which is more indicative of what he maybe now he has had 3 and 4.5 sacks.

 

[Stash]

I don't know. there are stories out there, but the news was we are about to sign him, because we wanted him. jerry made the deal. stephen changed the contract and Gregory got Peed off and left. it wasn't because we didn't care for him, in fact we had made an offer and contracts were similar.

Which we both agree would have been a mistake.

you can't compare Von Miller, to Fowler....Miller is older. he was a key piece of the Denver defense for 9 years. he played out his rookie deal and got a second deal. he is older and cost more and denver wanted to rebuild. get younger. so they let him walk to create cap space. he becamse a hired hand for a superbowl run for Rams. they jumped at the chance to sign him. now he is a FA. its not because he is not wanted or gets shuffled from team to team every other year like fowler.

I can compare circumstances and the generality that you’re trying to make that because a player switches teams they can’t be good.

what about those years with 11 or 8 sacks? if he is that good. why is he not with Rams? I mean you are putting him above Gregory, but yet no team was clamouring for him and he wasn't one of the top FAs in 2022...... one year and they walked away. Rams paid a 3rd round pick for the 3rd over all pick and next year they let him walk. he had 11.5 sacks.... so no, his case of going from team to team is different than Miller and perhaps he is a knuckle head too and we just haven't learned that.

And apparently Dan Quinn still doesn’t know after all these years? But YOU DO? Sheesh!

btw, it seems like he was on a good team with Rams, benefited by good players around him and lucked into 11.5....last two years, which is more indicative of what he maybe now he has had 3 and 4.5 sacks.

Compared to Gregory playing with Parsons and Lawrence last year? Hmmm….


In looking closer at Fowler’s career, it’s clear that he’s never been ‘the guy’ and a team’s top pass rusher. What he is is an active athlete who can get sacks as part of a good group. He had a good group around him when he got 8 in Jacksonville and again when he had 11.5 with the Rams.

Good thing we’re not asking him to be ‘the guy’ in Dallas.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Objection denied. We've seen this movie before and know the ending.

You've seen Dak throwing passes to James Washington against a divisional rival?

Hardly......

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Which we both agree would have been a mistake.

I may not have liked Gregory, but it doesn't mean I think Fowler is better.

I can compare circumstances and the generality that you’re trying to make that because a player switches teams they can’t be good.

no you totally misunderstand what I said....players change teams all the time, doesn't mean they can't be good. but when the 3rd over all pick, often the cornerstone of a franchise, expected to be an elite level player, is traded after 3 years for a 3rd round pick, having been on a team that needed as much talent as possible, then the team that traded for him lets him go after one season and 11.5 sacks. that should tell you enough. now his third team is letting him walk. 11.5 sacks was his best ever and seemingly based on past two years he is going down hill and going down hill fast.

And apparently Dan Quinn still doesn’t know after all these years? But YOU DO? Sheesh!

I didn't say that neither, you are just diverting.....Quinn also wanted gregory, I am sure Jerry had talked to quinn and MM and asked their opinions and seemingly both approved since Jerry made an offer....

not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that line. but yeah, you are diverting.

Compared to Gregory playing with Parsons and Lawrence last year? Hmmm….

Parsons as great as he may become, was still a rookie. and Lawrence to me is an average player, another Jerry bad signing, and my expectations/hope was for him to be released this off season and we can move on. plus Lawrence was injured for good part of the year.

In looking closer at Fowler’s career, it’s clear that he’s never been ‘the guy’ and a team’s top pass rusher. What he is is an active athlete who can get sacks as part of a good group. He had a good group around him when he got 8 in Jacksonville and again when he had 11.5 with the Rams.

Good thing we’re not asking him to be ‘the guy’ in Dallas.

now, it remains to be seen how Fowler will do in Dallas. I hope I am wrong. I will eat crow if I am wrong about him. but at this point, right now, its not an improvement, given cowboys and denver both wanted Gregory. both offered him large contracts. fowler was an after thought when our offer was rejected. but again, I hope I am wrong about fowler.

 

[DFWJC]

He didn't say anything that wasn't true.

It was too bad that we traded him before the other two big deals went thru. Maybe we get a 3rd instead of a 5th?

 

[Stash]

I may not have liked Gregory, but it doesn't mean I think Fowler is better.

So what do you mean then? Is Fowler worse?

no you totally misunderstand what I said....players change teams all the time, doesn't mean they can't be good. but when the 3rd over all pick, often the cornerstone of a franchise, expected to be an elite level player, is traded after 3 years for a 3rd round pick, having been on a team that needed as much talent as possible, then the team that traded for him lets him go after one season and 11.5 sacks. that should tell you enough. now his third team is letting him walk. 11.5 sacks was his best ever and seemingly based on past two years he is going down hill and going down hill fast.

And 6 sacks was Gregory’s ‘best ever’.

I didn't say that neither, you are just diverting.....Quinn also wanted gregory, I am sure Jerry had talked to quinn and MM and asked their opinions and seemingly both approved since Jerry made an offer....

I’m not ‘diverting’ anything. I pointing out the gaping holes in a bad argument. You mentioned that Fowler could be a ‘bonehead’. Your words. I pointed out that Quinn know him FOR YEARS. He knows him, you don’t.

not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that line. but yeah, you are diverting.

See above.

Parsons as great as he may become, was still a rookie. and Lawrence to me is an average player, another Jerry bad signing, and my expectations/hope was for him to be released this off season and we can move on. plus Lawrence was injured for good part of the year.

Point being Gregory got just 6 sacks among a group of good pass rushers. 6 sacks.

[quote{now, it remains to be seen how Fowler will do in Dallas. I hope I am wrong. I will eat crow if I am wrong about him. but at this point, right now, its not an improvement, given cowboys and denver both wanted Gregory. both offered him large contracts. fowler was an after thought when our offer was rejected. [/quote]

Teams make bad signings every year. We both know that.

but again, I hope I am wrong about fowler.

Well at least you finished your post being reasonable. I’m good with that.

 

[CashMan]

A team with the best talent does not always win the Super Bowl. In fact it’s usually just the opposite. It’s about great coaching putting your players in position for the best skill set. We haven’t had that since Jimmie Johnson. Tom Landry. In my personal opinion until ownership realizes someone’s out there smarter than them this is what we’re going to be.

I think the Rams would agree with you.

 

[offlimits]

We have lost more than we have gained, and are not as talented as we were last year.
Think we have definitely regressed.
I know Free Agency is not over, but how many impact players are left?
The front office has not shown any ability to secure other teams players as well.
We have late draft position, hard to imagine an impact player being available at 24 ?
Down about the season at this point.

...and the talent we had last season was obviously not good enough to even win a flippin' wild card game at home.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Cowboys will be right back in the playoffs next year…

 

[jnday]

I may not have liked Gregory, but it doesn't mean I think Fowler is better.


no you totally misunderstand what I said....players change teams all the time, doesn't mean they can't be good. but when the 3rd over all pick, often the cornerstone of a franchise, expected to be an elite level player, is traded after 3 years for a 3rd round pick, having been on a team that needed as much talent as possible, then the team that traded for him lets him go after one season and 11.5 sacks. that should tell you enough. now his third team is letting him walk. 11.5 sacks was his best ever and seemingly based on past two years he is going down hill and going down hill fast.


I didn't say that neither, you are just diverting.....Quinn also wanted gregory, I am sure Jerry had talked to quinn and MM and asked their opinions and seemingly both approved since Jerry made an offer....

not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that line. but yeah, you are diverting.


Parsons as great as he may become, was still a rookie. and Lawrence to me is an average player, another Jerry bad signing, and my expectations/hope was for him to be released this off season and we can move on. plus Lawrence was injured for good part of the year.



now, it remains to be seen how Fowler will do in Dallas. I hope I am wrong. I will eat crow if I am wrong about him. but at this point, right now, its not an improvement, given cowboys and denver both wanted Gregory. both offered him large contracts. fowler was an after thought when our offer was rejected. but again, I hope I am wrong about fowler.

Teams don’t let good pass rushers just walk away when they have several sacks every season. We don’t know what the Fowler’s problems are, but we will find out this season when the Cowboys let him walk. Something is not right with him other than his play.