Colts owner blasts Wentz after disastrous year in Indy

[America's Cowboy]

I think Dak should be as good as he is paid.

He is currently the 5th highest paid QB, right? Behind Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, and Watson. He is not the 5th best QB in the NFL.

He was the 3rd highest paid QB last season behind Mahomes and Allen. He was not the 3rd best QB in the NFL last season.

I don't mind paying a QB if their talents match their contract relative to their peers. There is nobody that believes Dak is the 5th most talented QB in the NFL right now or was the 3rd most talented QB last season.

We're not trolls. We'd just like to see a return for the money that's being tied up in these guys. I don't believe that's too much to ask.

Actually, Dak ended up with the 3rd highest passer rating in 2021, so he proved you Dak haters wrong. Dak definitely proved his 5th highest pay worth.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-passer-rating-leaders-2021

 

[quickccc]

The owner and front office bought into the Wentz hype based off the HC's past experience with the player Wentz when Reich was the OC in Philly under then HC Pederson.

- The Indy HC likely vouched and pushed hard to acquire Wentz, such that Colts conditioned traded a first round pick for him.
Wentz played like he was still gun-shelled from the pound- punishment and lost self confidence he experienced in Philly

- And now in just one single season, Wentz obviously embarrassed the Colt organization enuff to the point that he played like a backup journeyman QB.
despite what was perceived as a sound surrounding support cast, especially as compared to what he had in his last dayz in Philly.

- They obviously did not see him as a leader, they did not see a difference maker, and thought he was more liability than a luxury. and totally gave up
on him and the high pick trade for him - they did not want to continuing carry on with having to suffer with him

- There was some rumor talk of trying to lure Phillip Rivers out of retirement, but that's obviously out with the trade for Matt Ryan.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Actually, Dak ended up with the 3rd highest passer rating in 2021, so he proved you Dak haters wrong. Dak definitely proved his 5th highest pay worth.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-passer-rating-leaders-2021

He was 11th in QBR

See, I can use made up formulas that judge a QBs play too.

 

[fivetwos]

I think Dak should be as good as he is paid.

He is currently the 5th highest paid QB, right? Behind Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, and Watson. He is not the 5th best QB in the NFL.

Stephen Jones: "We feel like Dak is about the 10-12th best QB in the league. We feel he should be paid that way."

Dak agent: "Go pound sand....and the next time you call, the price goes up 5m a year."

 

[Ken]

I think Dak should be as good as he is paid.

He is currently the 5th highest paid QB, right? Behind Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, and Watson. He is not the 5th best QB in the NFL.

He was the 3rd highest paid QB last season behind Mahomes and Allen. He was not the 3rd best QB in the NFL last season.

I don't mind paying a QB if their talents match their contract relative to their peers. There is nobody that believes Dak is the 5th most talented QB in the NFL right now or was the 3rd most talented QB last season.

We're not trolls. We'd just like to see a return for the money that's being tied up in these guys. I don't believe that's too much to ask.

The double standard is breathtaking.

So even the harshest critics have Dak in the top 10 in the NFL at the qb position. His numbers from last year are top 5.

Yet, guys like Dlaw, Zeke, Coop, and Tyron get passes for not performing ANYWHERE NEAR what they are paid.

It is completely ridiculous.

 

[X550i]

I'm not a Wentz fan by any stretch, but Irsay has had his share of doing stupid **** and embarrassment.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He was 11th in QBR

See, I can use made up formulas that judge a QBs play too.

A QBR falls on the performance of a QB due to the players around him and their performance against tougher ranked defenses, where as a passer rating is strictly on the QB's passing performance no matter who it's against. A QBR is more subjective because it faults the QB if a WR struggles to get open against a tougher opponent, etc.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The double standard is breathtaking.

So even the harshest critics have Dak in the top 10 in the NFL at the qb position. His numbers from last year are top 5.

Yet, guys like Dlaw, Zeke, Coop, and Tyron get passes for not performing ANYWHERE NEAR what they are paid.

It is completely ridiculous.

Other guys being overpaid does not somehow make Dak being overpaid any better. That's logic that only the most die hard Dallas Prescott fans use. It's the same logic as bragging about the Cowboys losing prelitter to the 49ers than the Packers did and being proud of it. It's a sickness.

Cooper, Zeke, and DLaw are also overpaid. That does not make me feel any better about wasting money and years on Dak.

 

[GINeric]

There are guys here that still think he is better than Dak.

Those same guys don't know a damn thing about football either.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

A QBR falls on the performance of a QB due to the players around him and their performance against tougher ranked defenses, where as a passer rating is strictly on the QB's passing performance no matter who it's against. A QBR is more subjective because it faults the QB if a WR struggles to get open against a tougher opponent, etc.

So you must believe Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB of all time then?

If you do not believe that then you can't use passer rating to fit your narrative. Because if you want to use it as your barometer than you must accept and believe that Watson is the 2nd best QB that's ever lived. So, do you?

 

[FanofJerry]

I think Dak should be as good as he is paid.

He is currently the 5th highest paid QB, right? Behind Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, and Watson. He is not the 5th best QB in the NFL.

He was the 3rd highest paid QB last season behind Mahomes and Allen. He was not the 3rd best QB in the NFL last season.

I don't mind paying a QB if their talents match their contract relative to their peers. There is nobody that believes Dak is the 5th most talented QB in the NFL right now or was the 3rd most talented QB last season.

We're not trolls. We'd just like to see a return for the money that's being tied up in these guys. I don't believe that's too much to ask.

Im not great with words...and I dont mean to attack you...but I kind of hate your answer.

You come across as reasonable but the meat and potatoes of your stance is near Troll territory.

Heres why:

1) Quarterback is the most important position in all of sports maybe. Its difficult. Finding a capable one is something experts that get paid millions have a hard time figuring out. Do you remember the years between Aikman and Romo? Literally NFL QB's throwing rug burners or couldnt hit an open receiver. It was like 12 to 15 Quarterbacks we went through. Please spare me the argument that College is producing excellent, NFL ready talent now and the probability of hitting on a QB should be easy now a days. Dude...ITS FREAKING DIFFICULT! All these Couch GM's are spouting off that they would have done this or that...but they have nothing of real value on the line in their Couch GMing decisions. Real GM's can get fired if they make the wrong move. Go from making a million or two a year back down to low six figures. Would you want that for your family? I didnt think so. Any sensible person...most of the league was taken by storm with Dak's play actually...would not let Dak walk. He was going to get paid. We can argue that we should have signed him 2 years ago or whatever....but Dak was going to get paid. He can play in this league. No GM is risking their job to not pay Dak or let Dak walk based on his play thus far. Regardless of his record vs good teams or whatever it is that people use to devalue Dak.

2) Did you read the above article and what Irsay said? There is more to winning than one player. Chemistry is a real thing. You can HAVE and PAY the top 8 players in the league on your team...but if the Chemistry is not good the team can be really bad. That means GOOD players can lose. They could be worth their contract but the team still stink. I know you are going to say Dak's individual play sucks or whatever. I still stand by my position that most GM's, guys with significant things of value to lose based on their decisions, are paying the dude.

 

[CWR]

Bwahahahha Risen. Lol Wentz sucks.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Other guys being overpaid does not somehow make Dak being overpaid any better. That's logic that only the most die hard Dallas Prescott fans use. It's the same logic as bragging about the Cowboys losing prelitter to the 49ers than the Packers did and being proud of it. It's a sickness.

Cooper, Zeke, and DLaw are also overpaid. That does not make me feel any better about wasting money and years on Dak.

Question.......what do you think is the floor of a long-term contract for starting QB? ( key....long-term contract )

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Im not great with words...and I dont mean to attack you...but I kind of hate your answer.

You come across as reasonable but the meat and potatoes of your stance is near Troll territory.

Heres why:

1) Quarterback is the most important position in all of sports maybe. Its difficult. Finding a capable one is something experts that get paid millions have a hard time figuring out. Do you remember the years between Aikman and Romo? Literally NFL QB's throwing rug burners or couldnt hit an open receiver. It was like 12 to 15 Quarterbacks we went through. Please spare me the argument that College is producing excellent, NFL ready talent now and the probability of hitting on a QB should be easy now a days. Dude...ITS FREAKING DIFFICULT! All these Couch GM's are spouting off that they would have done this or that...but they have nothing of real value on the line in their Couch GMing decisions. Real GM's can get fired if they make the wrong move. Go from making a million or two a year back down to low six figures. Would you want that for your family? I didnt think so. Any sensible person...most of the league was taken by storm with Dak's play actually...would not let Dak walk. He was going to get paid. We can argue that we should have signed him 2 years ago or whatever....but Dak was going to get paid. He can play in this league. No GM is risking their job to not pay Dak or let Dak walk based on his play thus far. Regardless of his record vs good teams or whatever it is that people use to devalue Dak.

2) Did you read the above article and what Irsay said? There is more to winning than one player. Chemistry is a real thing. You can HAVE and PAY the top 8 players in the league on your team...but if the Chemistry is not good the team can be really bad. That means GOOD players can lose. They could be worth their contract but the team still stink. I know you are going to say Dak's individual play sucks or whatever. I still stand by my position that most GM's, guys with significant things of value to lose based on their decisions, are paying the dude.

Excellent point .......point being IF a team believes they have a long-term future QB ( starter ) he's getting paid.

 

[America's Cowboy]

So you must believe Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB of all time then?

If you do not believe that then you can't use passer rating to fit your narrative. Because if you want to use it as your barometer than you must accept and believe that Watson is the 2nd best QB that's ever lived. So, do you?

Did Watson play last season? No, so be quiet with your trolling already.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

There are guys here that still think he is better than Dak.

Shame that Jerry can't hold publicly accountable Mr. I can only beat dog teams, Prescott!!!
P.S. Dak has 50% of Wentz's arm talents....and he's not a gimp!

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Question.......what do you think is the floor of a long-term contract for starting QB? ( key....long-term contract )

I don't mind one bit paying a QB as long as their alibies and talents are worthy for said contract.

I WISH the Cowboys were paying Mahomes, Rodgers, or Allen what they are making right now. They are worth it.

I understand the whole "that's how the QB market works" junk. I get it. We all do. But Dak Prescott's abilities and talents are not in that market and I'd much preferred another team pay for it instead of us.

We should be upset that we're paying players top money right now that's abilities aren't in the same universe as their contracts. That 100% includes Dak Prescott.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Im not great with words...and I dont mean to attack you...but I kind of hate your answer.

You come across as reasonable but the meat and potatoes of your stance is near Troll territory.

Heres why:

1) Quarterback is the most important position in all of sports maybe. Its difficult. Finding a capable one is something experts that get paid millions have a hard time figuring out. Do you remember the years between Aikman and Romo? Literally NFL QB's throwing rug burners or couldnt hit an open receiver. It was like 12 to 15 Quarterbacks we went through. Please spare me the argument that College is producing excellent, NFL ready talent now and the probability of hitting on a QB should be easy now a days. Dude...ITS FREAKING DIFFICULT! All these Couch GM's are spouting off that they would have done this or that...but they have nothing of real value on the line in their Couch GMing decisions. Real GM's can get fired if they make the wrong move. Go from making a million or two a year back down to low six figures. Would you want that for your family? I didnt think so. Any sensible person...most of the league was taken by storm with Dak's play actually...would not let Dak walk. He was going to get paid. We can argue that we should have signed him 2 years ago or whatever....but Dak was going to get paid. He can play in this league. No GM is risking their job to not pay Dak or let Dak walk based on his play thus far. Regardless of his record vs good teams or whatever it is that people use to devalue Dak.

2) Did you read the above article and what Irsay said? There is more to winning than one player. Chemistry is a real thing. You can HAVE and PAY the top 8 players in the league on your team...but if the Chemistry is not good the team can be really bad. That means GOOD players can lose. They could be worth their contract but the team still stink. I know you are going to say Dak's individual play sucks or whatever. I still stand by my position that most GM's, guys with significant things of value to lose based on their decisions, are paying the dude.

Game...Set...and Match.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Colts owner Jim Irsay didn’t pull any punches Tuesday talking about Carson Wentz at the NFL owners meetings.

A day after Frank Reich said Wentz shouldn’t be considered a scapegoat for the Colts’ late-season collapse, Irsay went in the complete opposite direction.

He blasted his former quarterback in the strongest imaginable terms.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...sts-former-eagles-qb-carson-wentz-after-trade

Hahaha...Wince!!!

Irsay is right. Wentz collapsed in the last two game and all he had to do was win one of them. they gave up a 1st, and 3rd to get a guy who played his worst at most important time of the year....

yeah, wentz will be on his 5th, 6th and 7th team over the next few years. probably will last two years in DC

 

[JJHLH1]

The Colts should have known better.

They must not have watched any of Wentz’s games before making the trade for him.