CFZ The flaw with the Jones and their roster building

[Bullflop]

I doubt many Dallas players are buoyed by the job that their FO does in free agency!
Calling it "frugal" might certainly be an abundantly merciful understatement . . .

 

[plymkr]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

I agree and this is a well thought out post. The safety position is another example. That and DT has been an area of need for 10 years. The Jones mafia gets caught up in names and not position. If they don't like your name then the position is ignored. Except WR in which the Jones mafia has a bizarre infatuation with. They stock WR and RB but ignore the trenches. The Jones mafia is stuck in the 90s when we had an HOFer at QB, RB and WR. The problem is without the talent in the trenches #8, #88 and #22 wouldn't have had the careers they had. It's frustrating that we fans can see this but they can't.

 

[plymkr]

Main flaw with this team for 30 years is HC Jerry Jones (everything from jocks to socks)

And flight attendants

 

[lostar2009]

They awarded Dlaw with an extension too. A guy that cant stay healthy. I think the issue here is the fact we show we can win with minimal talent there. DQ and staff pretty much squeeze water out a rock as long as there some talent there. But once again they failed to realize D wins chips. Overstock your DL with quality players and we can yield better success in the playoffs and big games.

 

[CowboyoWales]

The fatal flaw in their roster building comes down to one simple fact: They do not know how to evaluate football talent. And that includes both players and coaches. That’s why they end up overvaluing and overpaying average talent. It’s why we always get bad or retread coaches instead of rising stars. And it’s why they eliminated free agency as a way to help build a team: they’ve signed some bad free agents in the past because they can’t evaluate talent, but they conveniently concluded that free agency is bad. Jerry knows marketing and oil, not football. Stephen just knows how to be cheap.

Yep, we pay names (and past production), rather than evaluating football talent and projected production. We are the antitheses of the Patriots.

 

[Reid1boys]

Yeah?

I thought it was obvious... I was not insinuating. Does that make sense?

 

[CowboysExchange]

We care a little too much about being right than winning.

But if we're not winning how can it be right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought it was obvious... I was not insinuating. Does that make sense?

Kind of contradicts some of your other posts where you complain about Jerry and others….

 

[Reid1boys]

Kind of contradicts some of your other posts where you complain about Jerry and others….

you need to be more specific.... and ill spell it out for you. I was not insinuating Dak was our main problem, I was saying it fault out... Dak was our main problem. He was awful in the Niner game and his terrible interception alone is prime example.

 

[Acceptablename]

take our exact roster last year and switch Dak with Joe Burrow or Mahomes..... IM thinking wed win a few playoff games.

Dak isnt as good as those QB so of course

 

[xwalker]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

Stephen Jones never wanted to keep Gregory.

Gregory was a Jerry favorite and SJ feared that Jerry would force the issue of keeping him.

SJ intentionally irritated Gregory/Agent to get them to sign elsewhere.

They signed Fowler about 5 minutes after Gregory signed with Denver.
- To sign Fowler that quickly, they must have already had the deal in place and just didn't announce it until Gregory signed elsewhere.

 

[Mobinvans]

I think it’s pretty obvious they aren’t good at it

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

you need to be more specific.... and ill spell it out for you. I was not insinuating Dak was our main problem, I was saying it fault out... Dak was our main problem. He was awful in the Niner game and his terrible interception alone is prime example.

And I'm saying YOU'RE WRONG and you're contradicting yourself lol. Main problem lol...how did anyone watch that 49ers game and watch Deebo Samuel run for 7 yards a carry and think Dak was the "main problem" lol.

 

[Sydla]

Stephen Jones never wanted to keep Gregory.

Gregory was a Jerry favorite and SJ feared that Jerry would force the issue of keeping him.

SJ intentionally irritated Gregory/Agent to get them to sign elsewhere.

They signed Fowler about 5 minutes after Gregory signed with Denver.
- To sign Fowler that quickly, they must have already had the deal in place and just didn't announce it until Gregory signed elsewhere.

And if the agent and Gregory didn't get irritated, they would have spent $70 million on a DE. THey signed Fowler for significantly less money.

So why were they willing to hand $70 million to Gregory, but only Gregory, and weren't willing to spend to bring in an equal or better DE? It's because the Jones are obsessed with their own guys and nickel and diming in FA. They think signing their guys to 2nd contracts validates their scouting skills.

They really do not have a consistent plan on how to build a roster.

 

[Reid1boys]

And I'm saying YOU'RE WRONG and you're contradicting yourself lol. Main problem lol...how did anyone watch that 49ers game and watch Deebo Samuel run for 7 yards a carry and think Dak was the "main problem" lol.

im not contradicting myself.... I think my dripping sarcasm is getting by you.

We lost the Niner game 23-17... we scored SEVENTEEN points. We allowed 23, 7 of which you can credit to Dak throwing that horrible interception to an open receiver and throwing the ball on the wrong side of his body and going right into the arms of a waiting defensive back. So I dont care if Samuel avg 23 yards per carry, the defense allowed 17 pts, our weak offense could only score 17 pts.

 

[fivetwos]

Stephen Jones never wanted to keep Gregory.

Gregory was a Jerry favorite and SJ feared that Jerry would force the issue of keeping him.

SJ intentionally irritated Gregory/Agent to get them to sign elsewhere.

They signed Fowler about 5 minutes after Gregory signed with Denver.
- To sign Fowler that quickly, they must have already had the deal in place and just didn't announce it until Gregory signed elsewhere.

I'm purely guessing but I had a strong vibe that deal was sabotaged by the kid.

Jerry never misses on one of his buddies when he wants to retain them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

im not contradicting myself.... I think my dripping sarcasm is getting by you.

We lost the Niner game 23-17... we scored SEVENTEEN points. We allowed 23, 7 of which you can credit to Dak throwing that horrible interception to an open receiver and throwing the ball on the wrong side of his body and going right into the arms of a waiting defensive back. So I dont care if Samuel avg 23 yards per carry, the defense allowed 17 pts, our weak offense could only score 17 pts.

You may not "care" how many yards Samuel averaged but if you watched the game the 49ers played conservative when they got the lead. The minute they decided to pass Jimmy G threw a pick. You are giving the defense far too much credit.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

take our exact roster last year and switch Dak with Joe Burrow or Mahomes..... IM thinking wed win a few playoff games.

Such a scintillating thought me stout lad.
Absolutely intriguing thought!

 

[CowboyoWales]

Stephen Jones never wanted to keep Gregory.

Gregory was a Jerry favorite and SJ feared that Jerry would force the issue of keeping him.

SJ intentionally irritated Gregory/Agent to get them to sign elsewhere.

They signed Fowler about 5 minutes after Gregory signed with Denver.
- To sign Fowler that quickly, they must have already had the deal in place and just didn't announce it until Gregory signed elsewhere.

So its back to Jerry 'paying our guys', or more so 'his perceived mates'?

So we think Fowler's a direct comparison with Gregory?.....I thought Fowler was based on speed with Gregory a power rusher? I can see that Plan B was Armstrong/Fowler for a fraction of the price we were going to spend on Gregory, but that actually means our FO is totally split on: individual players, playing strategy and positional worth.

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

you make a very good point!
I agree, they offered RG 70 mil because they liked him lol, and he has been a pet project for 6 years lol.
And again your right on if elliot retired, they would not pay another rb that much.

I said before that jerry and his boy are FANS, and that is the perspective they have in their jobs.
If they like a player they will over pay , and if they dont like one, like amari, they will get rid of him getting peanuts in return.
It is like watching 2 spoiled children run this team!