Has Dak Peaked?

[CowboyRoy]

It’s a fine line. Dak was paid because our FO shared your concerns. Finding a good QB is difficult. But I prefer the Denver/Philly approach where you load up the roster and wait for the right QB to become available.

Thats not an approach. That's simply them failing to find a QB properly. So the ONLY thing they can do is trade for one or sign one.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He can at times, but there's no doubt that he needs a quality line to keep him from getting happy feet and rushing his throws. He also excels with the play action, which, again he needs a line for that.

Yep, just like any other QB. They need a line. Some more than others. Dak needs one more than romo did. But if you have a good line, Ill take Dak over Romo because he is a better leader and better game manager. Better in the clutch.

Both good enough to win a championship. Both top 10, neither is elite. Both can play elite and have stretches of elite based on the quality of the players around them.

A guy like Mahomes and Rogers can play elite with a little less talent. But these guys still need studs all around them and proper blocking.

 

[bonafidebanter]

True but he had his worst performances against winning teams. Patriots were the only decent win from last year. The other games against upper level teams weren't good.

His "performance" against the Super Bowl champions opening night was good enough to win the game. 42/58 for 403 yds. 3 TDs and a pick. Not too shabby for a sorry, 4th round pick. Our defense, who didn't have a sack all game, got Brady'd on the last drive and we lost. 3rd game of the season was against a play off Philly team and he cooked them going 21/26 for 238 yds. and 3 TDs. Two more decent performances against winning teams. The D4K hate is real.

 

[phildadon86]

Yeah he’s great at throwing 5 TD’s vs garbage teams. He’s a good QB. Elite players do that every week though.

LOL. Do they? How many TDs did Rodgers throw in the playoffs this season? After a week off?

And no. I am not comparing Dak and Rodgers. This whole "elite players do this" is a joke. Mahomes was horrible to start the season, until his coaching staff changed things and adjusted. Dak was amazing the first 8 weeks of the year. The other teams adjusted. The Cowboys didnt. End of story.

 

[Ken]

What? No. Just by watching the games you can see who are the elite passers. Dak isn't one of them. I don't need a statistic to tell me that. Dak is closer to Cousins than he is Joe Burrow.

Again, there is always this "eyeball test" that the haters use to measure "elite qb play".

Then when said "elite qb" flames out in big games, it doesn't matter anymore. They are still elite....Dak....no such leeway.

He didn't deserve Rookie of the Year at all.

Zeke won the rushing title by OVER 300 YARDS and was 1st team All-Pro in 2016.

Zeke was robbed.

At all?


Did Zeke not benefit from the same line that Darren Mcfadden 4th in rushing the year before?

List all of the rookie qbs who have ever had better years than Dak. We will wait....

 

[bonafidebanter]

He didn't deserve Rookie of the Year at all.

Zeke won the rushing title by OVER 300 YARDS and was 1st team All-Pro in 2016.

Zeke was robbed.

You MAY be right about Zeke being robbed, but I can see voters giving the QB of a 13-3 team the nod. We all know how QBs get WAY too much credit (and very little blame, except on this board). But, he did win it. I didn't believe it either. A 4th rounder, who won over the locker room from Romo and won ROY! We got lucky.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Hi @PAPPYDOG ...is this another one of your ghost accounts?

Wow, how did you figure that one out Sherlock???
There is only 1 PAPPYDOG and his star shines so bright that some are blinded by the true light.

They have my sympathies!!!!

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Again, there is always this "eyeball test" that the haters use to measure "elite qb play".

Then when said "elite qb" flames out in big games, it doesn't matter anymore. They are still elite....Dak....no such leeway.

At all?


Did Zeke not benefit from the same line that Darren Mcfadden 4th in rushing the year before?

List all of the rookie qbs who have ever had better years than Dak. We will wait....

Did Dak not benefit from Zeke winning the Rushing title by over 300 yards and being 1st team all pro?

Zeke was the best RB in the NFL in 2016. Are you saying Dak didn't benefit from that?

As for your last questions... RG3, Russell Wilson, Justin Herbert, and Cam Newton just off the top of my head.

And none of them had a RB that won the rushing title by 300 yards and was 1st team All-Pro ORRRRRR an Offensive line that had 3 more All-Pros. Dak had both.

 

[john van brocklin]

Dak hasn't shown that he's reached the next level in his QB progression. Early on, his mobility was a big asset to compensate for his lack/limitations of passing ability.
Now, he doesn't display that same zeal to use his running ability, mainly due to his hesitation from injuries and his seeming want to prove that he is a legitimate passer.
He is still a quality QB but he has yet to show he is a Force Multiplier as a QB. FM's elevate their team and overcome player limitations. He hasn't shown that ability and now we are stuck paying him as a top QB and we may not see him reach that FM level. I think the struggles by his Oline have taken a toll and he doesn't seem as confident and that affects his accuracy.
He seems to gain a lot of his stats during garbage time after the team has fallen behind by double digits. He teases a comeback but seems to come up short more times than not.

I am hoping he can find whatever he lost last mid season.
He was lights out the first 7 games...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wow, how did you figure that one out Sherlock???
There is only 1 PAPPYDOG and his star shines so bright that some are blinded by the true light.

They have my sympathies!!!!

yes, there is only one Pappydog and 12 ghost accounts

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I am hoping he can find whatever he lost last mid season.
He was lights out the first 7 games...

That was the fools gold.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has a stretch like that every few years too.

Dak is much closer to the QB we saw after the bye then he is the QB that played those first 7 games.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And here you are joining in, you like these types of threads too.

yes, what's a party without me ...I am the life of the party

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It might take a while - but with topic title - the thread will remain on page 1 due to the CZ membership checking in.
And don't forget about the back-and-forth insult duels between a pair of fans that goes on for about ten posts each.

oh, yeah, its been this way now for over 4 years......and bound to get really bad in July, the slowest football month. so I assume another 1400 Dak threads and another 73292 comments before training camp

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Best season of his career so far. Never had a better QBR or Qb rating since.

so is QBR how you would measure a QB? is that it?

 

[john van brocklin]

That was the fools gold.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has a stretch like that every few years too.

Dak is much closer to the QB we saw after the bye then he is the QB that played those first 7 games.

Then we are doomed!
With his guarenteed money and contract, we go as Dak goes , for better or worse...

 

[Ken]

Yes Dak did. Dak had the highest rating and efficient season as an NFL rookie in history, are you suggesting Zeke didn't benefit from that?

Cam did not have a better season than Dak. Yes, lots of TDs, but also LOTs of turnovers (suddenly those don't matter any more?) and only 6 wins. Sorry bud.

RG3- Good season, only won 9 games 102 rating and 69 qbr. 12 fumbles.
Herbert- 100 rating, 72 qbr 30 total tds and 10 ints- won 6 games.
Wilson- actually won 11 games, had 30 total tds and 10 ints. 100 rating and 72 qbr. Probably the closest to beating Dak, but nah.

Dak- 13 wins, 29 tds, 4ints, 104 rating and 77 qbr.

Try again bud. I know it pains you that you can't come up with SOMEONE who had a better rookie year at QB than the Dakmeister lol

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Then we are doomed!
With his guarenteed money and contract, we go as Dak goes , for better or worse...

Oh yes, we're doomed as long as Dak is the QB and we don't have the 01 Ravens defense, some of us accept it while others are still in denial.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

How embarassing that someone thinks that breaking all kinds of Cowboy's passing records and finishing top 5 in multiple passing categories does not equate to "elite passer"

Some mythical measurements must exist that I am not aware of to attain this label.

I think it would be interesting to deep dive those stats. Is "garbage time" a real thing? Or do we scoff.....just because. Strength of schedule? 1st qtr versus 3rd?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yes Dak did. Dak had the highest rating and efficient season as an NFL rookie in history, are you suggesting Zeke didn't benefit from that?

Cam did not have a better season than Dak. Yes, lots of TDs, but also LOTs of turnovers (suddenly those don't matter any more?) and only 6 wins. Sorry bud.

RG3- Good season, only won 9 games 102 rating and 69 qbr. 12 fumbles.
Herbert- 100 rating, 72 qbr 30 total tds and 10 ints- won 6 games.
Wilson- actually won 11 games, had 30 total tds and 10 ints. 100 rating and 72 qbr. Probably the closest to beating Dak, but nah.

Dak- 13 wins, 29 tds, 4ints, 104 rating and 77 qbr.

Try again bud. I know it pains you that you can't come up with SOMEONE who had a better rookie year at QB than the Dakmeister lol

Are you declaring that W/L is a QB stat? I just want to be clear here because you're using wins as a big part of your argument, so therefor all of our lack of success must also be placed solely on Dak's shoulders since you're giving him the wins, right?

Also, you bring up passer rating a lot. Are you willing to say right now, publicly, that you believe Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB ever because of his passer rating?

So, based on your criteria for what makes a good QB you outlined above in your post, I need you to both admit that Dak is the reason we have won nothing meaningful in 6 years and that Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB ever before we can move forward.

 

[Ken]

Are you declaring that W/L is a QB stat? I just want to be clear here because you're using wins as a big part of your argument, so therefor all of our lack of success must also be placed solely on Dak's shoulders since you're giving him the wins, right?

Also, you bring up passer rating a lot. Are you willing to say right now, publicly, that you believe Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB ever because of his passer rating?

So, based on your criteria for what makes a good QB you outlined above in your post, I need you to both admit that Dak is the reason we have won nothing meaningful in 6 years and that Deshaun Watson is the 2nd best QB ever before we can move forward.

Always moving the goalposts....

Is it important to win as a QB or not? Or is it important to put up the emptiest of stats while "leading" your team to 4 wins? looking at you Deshaun....

How would you propose we measure these seasons then? I didn't stutter when i said the most successful and efficient rookie season a qb has ever had. That implies wins and high efficiency.

You can choose to say that career LOSERS like RG3 and Cam had better seasons, doesn't make it true.