CFZ Game Footage Review: OG McGovern

[Ranching]

Yes without Larry we wouldn't have won 1 Superbowl back then I guess????

 

[ghst187]

Agree with the OP.
That's why if Linderbaum is there, we just need to take him. Kinnard in the 2nd to move down to LG would also be an upgrade.
We could get bigger, stronger, better, and younger on the OL in one draft.
I've coached alot of high school OL, and I always made sure that my best were playing LT and Center. If you are good at those spots, you can get by with average play at the other three.
Ideally, athletes at LT and C with three big dudes at LG, RG, and RT.

Yes, then you just need giant roadblocks at G

 

[PAPPYDOG]

We managed 1 playoff WIN with the Best Offline in the NFL and a young Zeke.......what exactly are you shooting for now????
Miracles ????????????

 

[fivetwos]

they both suck, let’s just summarize.

as far as Biadasz it was his first year starting and considering it wasn’t that bad. Especially having those two playing next to him.

but would gladly take the stud center at 24.

I've got a little more faith in Farinoks upside because that jump is usually seen between rookie and second year.

I'd guess that Biadasz has peaked and he looks like a backup to me.....if you're planning to win that is.

It's a matter of if they want to have a clear upgrade immediately or risk it still being a problem in 2022.....and that's IF they even regard it as a problem. I have my doubts. I'm thoroughly convinced this FO cannot tell the difference between Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Ranching]

We managed 1 playoff with the Best Offline in the NFL and a young Zeke.......what exactly are you shooting for now????
Miracles ????????????

 

[Ranching]

We managed 1 playoff with the Best Offline in the NFL and a young Zeke.......what exactly are you shooting for now????
Miracles ????????????

Looks very similar to the line Tony had with Murray.....hmmmm

 

[Bigdog]

I agree....center is a huge need for us

Agree and I would be torn if Linderbaum and Johnson (BC kid) is there when we pick. Linderbaum is a stud at C from what I read but that is is only fit. Johnson can play all 5 positions and play them well. Would love to get both of them but that will never happen.

 

[Motorola]

Agree and I would be torn if Linderbaum and Johnson (BC kid) is there when we pick. Linderbaum is a stud at C from what I read but that is is only fit. Johnson can play all 5 positions and play them well. Would love to get both of them but that will never happen.

Select one -- then in subsequent round(s) choose a player at the other position to continue upgrading the OLine.

 

[Sydla]

We need a better LG. Period.

 

[Ranching]

Anyone else heard the rumor that we might move Zach to LG so McGovern can go back to RG?

I'll ask Jerry and get back to you.....lol

 

[Techsass]

I don't think we need to use 1st round picks for all of our Olinemen, but we definitely need to see some improvement over what we had last season. McGovern was a last-ditch effort. They were OK letting him play some FB, but I don't think they actually wanted him starting on the line.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Nice write up.

If Linderbaum is there at our rd 1 pick, I don't see the team passing up on him and immediately improving the OL. Easy pick that has immediate impact.

I tend to agree. Biadasz may develop— or he may not. Right now— Linderbaum would be as close to a sure-fire upgrade as you can find in the draft.

That said— I would be shocked if he slid to 24. Without any QBs going high to push position players down— the board will likely go closer to actual player value— and Tyler is definitely ranked in the 10-20th best player in this draft

 

[conner01]

In my opinion CM is not an upgrade and he’s soon up for a second contract. Just like CW he’s not second contract worthy
The quality at guard in this draft is really good and that’s the position I’d upgrade myself
I like Linderbaum and he could be there but he is a zone center. Green or Zion to me are much better options and have a much better chance to be really good players

 

[RS12]

I dont think they draft Linderbaum if he is there. Does not fit their profile. Extremely short armed, zone blocking center.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I'll start with my conclusion:
- I reviewed all of this snaps vs KC/Saints/Washington.
- If only 1 interior OL is added, I would prefer to upgrade OC and play McGovern at LG.
- Obviously an All Pro upgrade at both positions would be nice, but unlikely this season.

LG Connor Williams struggled with penalties and was replaced for 4 games by Connor McGovern.
- The overall OLine didn't improve during that time and Connor Williams regained the starting role.

I had said prior to the McGovern experiment that CM would not be an upgrade over CW.
- i.e. I was not 'Pro McGovern'.
- Having said that, it was the logical decision to try McGovern due to CW's penalty issues.

McGovern Game Footage
- McGovern was better than I remembered.
- His issues were primarily mental (technique/awareness/angles).
- He has 'good enough' power and athleticism.
- He managed to hold up to Chris Jones in the KC game on most snaps.
- There were a couple of snaps where Jones whipped him, but Chris Jones does that to many OLinemen.
- The bigger issue was the overall OLine.
- If CM or CW had played between prime years Tyron and Frederick, then they would have been OK.
- Instead the OC was Biadasz and LT Tyron was out for 6 games.
- Steele is good at RT but not at LT. Nsekhe is a career backup.
- Summary:
- He looked capable but tentative. Almost like a young QB that has ability but tends to panic.
- I'm somewhat surprised they didn't give him another start.
- They won 2 of the 4 games that McGovern started at LG including the final 2.

OL Coach
- It has come out this off-season that the OL coach favored CW over McGovern.
- It was a McCarthy decision to try McGovern.
- CW didn't have penalty issues until McCarthy and staff were hired.
- The Packers OL under McCarthy were known for a specific method of holding.
- This holding technique was against the rules but subtle enough to avoid excessive penalties.
- I think the OL coach supported Connor Williams because he is the one that taught him to hold.
- There have been articles about the Green Bay holding technique and sports talk discussions about it.
- GB's approach was similar to the Legion of Boom and their approach to penalties.
- Basically the LoB strategy was that eventually the Refs would give up calling penalties.
- The league requires refs to limit penalties to keep game times within limits.

Good observations. I felt the same thing watching the tape. The o line as a unit was inconsistent and played like it. An upgrade at center probably solidifies more issues than an upgrade at G. I feel like mcgovern with more work in the offseason can start at lg with tyron at LT and a good player at C.

 

[fivetwos]

I dont think they draft Linderbaum if he is there. Does not fit their profile. Extremely short armed, zone blocking center.

I agree. We are definitely in the minority on that one.

Not only do I think he is there, but I think Dallas passes.

Nothing against the player, more about what the team is going to value......some versatility on the OL or another juhrsuh sailer WR.

Depends who rules the room at the moment....the despicable old man or disgusting kid.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I've got a little more faith in Farinoks upside because that jump is usually seen between rookie and second year.

I'd guess that Biadasz has peaked and he looks like a backup to me.....if you're planning to win that is.

It's a matter of if they want to have a clear upgrade immediately or risk it still being a problem in 2022.....and that's IF they even regard it as a problem. I have my doubts. I'm thoroughly convinced this FO cannot tell the difference between Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers.

How has Biadasz peaked? This was his first full year starting in the NFL after a redshirt injured first year. Im not sure I have EVER seen a fan base so hard on a young player. Its like the guy got pushed back a few times in the Tampa game and everyone made up their minds that he sucks. With Tampa having some of the best DT's in the NFL and it being like the 3rd game he ever started in the NFL in his life and first of 2021. Its comical actually to think the kid has peaked.

 

[fivetwos]

How has Biadasz peaked? This was his first full year starting in the NFL after a redshirt injured first year. Im not sure I have EVER seen a fan base so hard on a young player. Its like the guy got pushed back a few times in the Tampa game and everyone made up their minds that he sucks. With Tampa having some of the best DT's in the NFL and it being like the 3rd game he ever started in the NFL in his life and first of 2021. Its comical actually to think the kid has peaked.

Understand that I big time went to bat for this guy last Sep/Oct when many here wanted his head for garbage reasons.

I really would love to think he is good enough....and he WAS early last season. I've said exactly that many times.

I have no idea what happened to him or why.

I'd love to know, but I also know it coincided with the entire offense heading south.

 

[Teague31]

I dont think they draft Linderbaum if he is there. Does not fit their profile. Extremely short armed, zone blocking center.

him not being a 30 visit says a lot.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Understand that I big time went to bat for this guy last Sep/Oct when many here wanted his head for garbage reasons.

I really would love to think he is good enough....and he WAS early last season. I've said exactly that many times.

I have no idea what happened to him or why.

I'd love to know, but I also know it coincided with the entire offense heading south.

What happened to him? He got better as the season went along.

Now I wouldnt say he was good enough to warrant passing on a blue chip center.