Dak vs Jimmy G

[G2]

I don't understand the hatred for Dak, history is littered with QB's that have SB rings and a worse skillset than Dak.

It's insane. There are also QBs considered to be elite season after season with just one ring. There is hardly any emphasis or understanding of a team sport.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I don't understand the hatred for Dak, history is littered with QB's that have SB rings and a worse skillset than Dak.

it’s mostly just hyperbole from both sides. He’s a fringe top-10 QB, and his playoff performance this season is in line with the QBs in his tier. He’s not much more than what he’s shown, as is he not any less than. There are a few people here who seem to genuinely dislike him (or prop him up to be something above other QBs who done so much more) but most of the discord is between someone trying to put him too high or too low from what he’s shown. He is exactly what he is, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Who would you rather have? It is a flat out no brainer for me...it's Jimmy G. For the life of me, I cannot understand why SF is in such a hurry to replace him. SF was one Eli Manning pop fly type throw and catch by KC in the Super Bowl from winning one himself....until that happened, they were toast. Is Jimmy G great? No. But he has more tools than Dak, who will NEVER sniff a Super Bowl. Does Dak have a no trade clause? If not, let's get something going....we are wasting our time by doing nothing.

because he is the reason often they can't get over the hump and have to have so much other players to overcome his shortcomings....people complain about QB salaries, when its much cheaper to pay a QB that can perform, than finding and paying so many other players (defense, OL, etc.) to build a strong enough team to make a run. SF did it last time despite Jimmy, with a strong D, strong OL, strong running game. they couldn't pay all their DL men and players and thus they lost a few and haven't been as strong since. having the right QB is the easiest and actually cheapest path to a superbowl

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well for one thing FO's on the 32 teams are usually quite dumb. They like high draft picks, guys who have won SB's or put up good stats.
I think SF is blaming Jimmy for playoff or SB losses, instead of the real culprit who is shanahan,. Shan has been awful once in playoffs, and has contributed to the team losing.
He isnt going to blame himself, so he probably says he needs a better qb.

It is also stupid to try and compare qb's, as they are all on different teams, with different systems, and coaches.
Stats are flawed, so using stats to compare them is also flawed.

The bottom line is do they win with that qb, and how far do they go in playoffs? And when they lose is it a close game or blowout? and how was the coaching in that game.

Parcells said you are what your record says you are, so using that, Jimmy is better than Dak, he has won more playoff games, and he did beat dak last season in the WC game.
Winning games is what matters.

Would jimmy be better than dak if he played for this dallas team? Maybe, but I think it is hard to judge any qb who has to play for cowboys, since our coaches are so bad
and have been for awhile now.

Dak has done poorly in playoffs, but it isnt all on him, the coaching has played a big part in those losses, just like SF in their post season losses.

As a general rule to get to and win a SB, the team needs not only a good qb, but a good coaching staff and HC.

And I will venture that playoff wins are more revealing than season wins . and if you use stats look at the playoff stats only, forget the season stats.

So Front Offices are dumb….you been in Dallas too long.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Dak is obviously the better QB. That isn't even an argument.

Jimmy is incredibly hot though, so I can't blame some posters for choosing him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Where did I suggest he was anything more than Dak’s contemporary, when I’ve said that directly a few times now? Dak has the fifth best passer rating ever, if someone brought up his passer rating, are they not suggesting anything less than him being the fifth best QB of all time?

You’ve again gone back to hyperbole as some kind of defense against Jimmy. He’s not the best, nor is he the worst. He’s right around where Dak is. This conversation is eerily similar to one you and I had about Stafford before the season. I had him rated above Dak, and you said that’s just not realistic, and he’d at LEAST have to make the NFCCG to earn that. Do you remember this? After he won the Super Bowl without a bye in one of the best playoff performances we've ever seen, you were back here right away saying Dak is still better than Stafford.

Is it the person themselves you don’t like, or are there accomplishments somehow lessened because they didn’t do it in Dallas?

You’ve listed stats that show he’s ranked higher than Mahomes and Rodgers….what was your point in picking certain stats to back up your ridiculous claim?

 

[Verdict]

Who would you rather have? It is a flat out no brainer for me...it's Jimmy G. For the life of me, I cannot understand why SF is in such a hurry to replace him. SF was one Eli Manning pop fly type throw and catch by KC in the Super Bowl from winning one himself....until that happened, they were toast. Is Jimmy G great? No. But he has more tools than Dak, who will NEVER sniff a Super Bowl. Does Dak have a no trade clause? If not, let's get something going....we are wasting our time by doing nothing.

Right now they are on the same level. Neither are very good. Pretty much bus drivers. Average.

I thought Dak was better than Jimmy G first half of the year. Second half of the year Jimmy G was better.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You’ve listed stats that show he’s ranked higher than Mahomes and Rodgers….what was your point in picking certain stats to back up your ridiculous claim?

Every QB has a stat that puts them higher than another QB. Having that stat doesn’t automatically imply they are ahead of that QB, unless the argument to directly say they are by the person wielding the stat… which I never said Jimmy was over the guys you inferred. That’s why it’s hyperbole.



I listed them Because they’re important stats. What about my claim is ridiculous? He is what he’s done, as Dak is. Dak is not the excuses made for him, he is the things he’s done on the field.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Only in the land of Dak haters is a regular season win meaningless. That was an important week 2 game because we had just lost our opener. We couldn’t afford to start the season 0-2. It doesn’t have to be a playoff game for there to be pressure. I’m not wasting anymore time with fans that don’t like Dak and would rather have a lesser QB over him. Arguing with Dak haters is a waste of time!

Only in Dak land do "lesser QB's" progress in the playoffs while Dak give us:
1st and 10 at the opponents 46, down 6 points, 2:29 on the clock, playing at home against an underdog.
1st down - panics and takes a sack he had no business taking
2nd and 11 - throws a 3 yard check down which cee dee drops, although he would have been tackled immediately
3rd and 11 - he panics, can't find anyone downfield, tries to dump it off and off misses zeke
4th and 11 - 49ers blitz and under pressure and heaves up a desperation throw

And we haven't even talked about 'the slide'

 

[KJJ]

Only in Dak land do "lesser QB's" progress in the playoffs while Dak give us:
1st and 10 at the opponents 46, down 6 points, 2:29 on the clock, playing at home against an underdog.
1st down - panics and takes a sack he had no business taking
2nd and 11 - throws a 3 yard check down which cee dee drops, although he would have been tackled immediately
3rd and 11 - he panics, can't find anyone downfield, tries to dump it off and off misses zeke
4th and 11 - 49ers blitz and under pressure and heaves up a desperation throw

And we haven't even talked about 'the slide'

The Cowboys led the NFL in offense with Dak and were the highest scoring team in the league. The problem is the OL and our lack of a running game to go along with a defense that gives up chunk plays and can’t make critical stops. The Cowboys would be picking in the top 10-15 every year with a lesser QB.

 

[Mannix]

One think is for damn sure....Dak ain't no David Carr!!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Every QB has a stat that puts them higher than another QB. Having that stat doesn’t automatically imply they are ahead of that QB, unless the argument to directly say they are by the person wielding the stat… which I never said Jimmy was over the guys you inferred. That’s why it’s hyperbole.



I listed them Because they’re important stats. What about my claim is ridiculous? He is what he’s done, as Dak is. Dak is not the excuses made for him, he is the things he’s done on the field.

And his body of work that he’s done on the field is superior to anything Jimmy G has done.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

And his body of work that he’s done on the field is superior to anything Jimmy G has done.

Based on what? Going 6-0 in the Easiest division in football? Do the Cowboys even make the playoffs in the NFC West?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Based on what? Going 6-0 in the Easiest division in football?

Brady spent a whole career getting fat off bad teams in his division. Not Dak’s fault Eagles stink.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Brady spent a whole career getting fat off bad teams in his division. Not Dak’s fault Eagles stink.

Yet he went to the playoffs and proceeded to destroy the best teams from every other division. What is Dak’s accomplishment here when you’re comparing him to Brady?

 

[BoyzBlaster]

The Cowboys led the NFL in offense with Dak and were the highest scoring team in the league. The problem is the OL and our lack of a running game to go along with a defense that gives up chunk plays and can’t make critical stops. The Cowboys would be picking in the top 10-15 every year with a lesser QB.

As per usual for a resident of Dak land, it is customary that all the blame lies elsewhere, and all of the kudos have nothing to do with performing in crunch time in playoff games.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yet he went to the playoffs and proceeded to destroy the best teams from every other division. What is Dak’s accomplishment here when you’re comparing him to Brady?

I’m not comparing the two I’m simply using Brady to squash your silly argument about the teams Dak faces….

 

[BoyzBlaster]

One think is for damn sure....Dak ain't no David Carr!!!

I wonder if we could get Carr to come out of retirement

 

[KJJ]

As per usual for a resident of Dak land, it is customary that all the blame lies elsewhere, and all of the kudos have nothing to do with performing in crunch time in playoff games.

As per usual for the Dak haters on the board you’re putting all the blame on him. We all recognize he didn’t play very well the second half of the season but he’s not what’s holding the team back….fact!

 

[BoyzBlaster]

As per usual for the Dak haters on the board you’re putting all the blame on him. We all recognize he didn’t play very well the second half of the season but he’s not what’s holding the team back….fact!

Try to stay on point. The comment - which you responded to, so you should know this - was that Dak does not play well under pressure. All the rest you are embellishing or wandering off topic.