CFZ Since We Insist on Keeping Bums, Prescott Needs a Better QB Coach

[khiladi]

That 2016 roster had SUPERBOWL bound written all over it!!!!
Took our offense till the 4th Q to start scoring vs the Packers another continuous Dak-Friendly trait that pretty much ended the dream.
13 pts in 3 Quarters of football at home ain't cutting it, Mr.Prescott!!!
7 pts in 3 Quarters vs the Niners at home....seems you're getting worse Mr.Prescott!!!!


1q 2q 3q 4q
GB 7 14 7 6 34
DAL 3 10 0 18 31

Dak keys in on WRs. This was seen with Beasley, then Dez, then Amari came. If his primary target isn’t open, he’s going to his Checkdown.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dak keys in on WRs. This was seen with Beasley, then Dez, then Amari came. If his primary target isn’t open, he’s going to his Checkdown.

and enters Shultz, the new Witten.

 

[Section446]

He's too far gone, just doesn't have the talent.

 

[GINeric]

Do you have the names of the other 4 on the list? if I start naming the top 5 QBs of my lifetime (obviously my opinion only) they would all have gone to crappy teams in their 1st season. So right off the bat, their numbers are crap.

Peyton Manning... HORRIBLE
Aikman..... HORRIBLE


Dak... he wasnt supposed to start. So he started as a rookie on a team that was loaded. Outstanding line and Run game that allowed him to flourish. BUT, even with all the stats you say he has, he has still done jack squat.

I am curious the names of the other qbs on the list you are referencing.
Comparing Dak with Kurt Warner, a league MVP and with Brady is absolutely FOOLISH.

Warner took a Rams team who hadnt done squat since 1980 to 2 SB and won one.

He then took a disaster of a Franchise the Cards to a SB and almost won it. Dak... let me know when he reaches 3 SBs.

I believe it was Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Daunte Culpepper, Andrew Luck, and Russell Wilson is in there somewhere.

 

[GINeric]

Dak sux!

So do his weak coward *** haters who can't provide proof to back up their argument other than using the only strongest 2 words of their vocabulary.

 

[DandyDon52]

You live in Kentucky, right?

So, it's quite possible some of these games were blacked out for fans who don't live locally.

I'm beginning to see that that's the issue here.

You may also be watching different coverage on the game. For instance, this year I remember watching the game on Nickolodian, with some dumb fat kid commentating about slime.. so you probably weren't getting the same coverage the rest of us who know the truth about the issue were getting.

It was Romo coaching up Dak very early on, when he was injured.. Because Romo obviously thought he was coming back in later.. Romo was doing it for the team. Everyone knew he was hurt, etc.

Just google, and you can see how wrong you are..

But since I know you guys who keep saying this stupid lie the rest of us saw with our own eyes, I'll go show you... It happened.

You can deny it happened all you want, but that doesn't make it not so.

your image didnt show, I thought you were wrong, but now i remember tony sitting by dak talking to him and showing him something on the tablet, but I also know
dak was not looking at romo or the tablet, it was like he was ignoring tony.
Dak was not listening to tony.
Dak did talk to sanchez and listen to him.
Thats what I remember seeing.

Dak is arrogant, and is going to play qb the way he thinks is best, he is not going to listen to anyone else.
My take on dak , is he is smart guy off the field, but not very smart on the field. Especially when he gets a lot of pressure and hits.
I see a lot of things he does wrong, and at times things he does right. But he is going to do it his way.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dak made progress training with Kitna. Dak just makes progress with coaching. He trains in the offseason every year. He's serious about his craft. His commitment to improvement, and *demonstrated* ability to improve, is the best thing about him as QB long term.

As for Romo, per Brice Butler Romo was *at one point* the guy making the weekly offensive game plan. Whether that continued in 2016, I can't say for sure, but good chance it would have, IMO. Once injured, Romo would have had more time on his hands, and there was every expectation that Romo would return as the starter sometime that season.

Demoting Romo from making the game plan while injured would have been a huge slap in the face for an injured starter presumed to return to the starting role. If anything, I would have expected them to *increase* his coaching responsibilities when he was injured.

I dont think romo was ever making the game plan, he just had input for it. JG and linehan made the game plans, with tony in the meetings with input.
Once dak was in they changed things to make it simpler for rookie dak, and it worked, later like next year they threw that aside and just made a game plan they liked
and expected dak to run that, and things didnt go so good.

I also think once tony realized they might go with dak as starter, he would have slacked off on trying to help dak , or with game plans.
NFL coaches are arrogant, and they dont really like to involve players in the making of game plans or plays, they want to do all the thinking and planning,
and the players are just supposed to "do their job"

It is a I am the boss, I am the smart one, you dummys just do what I tell you to do, the way I tell you to do it!

That is why OC's call the O plays, even though they have a smart QB, like rodgers or brady, should be calling the plays, but they are not allowed to do that.
DC's call the D plays, even though they have smart players who could do it on the field.

Romo should have been calling the plays from 2009 onward, but JG thought he was smarter
and a better play caller.
Kellen now thinks he is smarter and better at calling plays than dak.
It is the same on every team.
My take is some qb's need the plays called for them, but most experienced qb's who are smart should be calling the plays.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak keys in on WRs. This was seen with Beasley, then Dez, then Amari came. If his primary target isn’t open, he’s going to his Checkdown.

The fact he's more comfortable going to open receivers/TE's kind of supports the idea we need quantity over particular quality, especially if teams (I feel a "Jimmie Ward, Dak, cover" coming on) are dropping back in coverage as we cant establish a running game.

 

[Pass2Run]

your image didnt show, I thought you were wrong, but now i remember tony sitting by dak talking to him and showing him something on the tablet, but I also know
dak was not looking at romo or the tablet, it was like he was ignoring tony.
Dak was not listening to tony.
Dak did talk to sanchez and listen to him.
Thats what I remember seeing.

Dak is arrogant, and is going to play qb the way he thinks is best, he is not going to listen to anyone else.
My take on dak , is he is smart guy off the field, but not very smart on the field. Especially when he gets a lot of pressure and hits.
I see a lot of things he does wrong, and at times things he does right. But he is going to do it his way.

This might help you..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I never once said Romo didn't mentor Dak. He may have. I'm sure there are numerous photos of Dak and Romo hanging out. I've never said they didn't hang out.. Let's just agree both Sanchez and Romo mentored Dak his rookie year. As mentioned, I did see numerous times (on TV as I've never been to AT&T Stadium) where Dak and Sanchez were hanging out together on the sidelines. Again as I said, I'm not saying Romo and Dak didn't hang out on the sidelines. They may have... I'll reiterate. My comment was the TV didn't show Romo and Dak hanging out on the sidelines during games. Nothing more/Nothing less...I don't remermber if it was Fox or CBS that kept showing it. I do remember it was one station that every time you turned around, they were showing Sanchez and Dak hanging out together. Maybe it was an agenda... Who knows...

Just so you know...as someone who has fueled this debate.....I have ZERO problem with your assessment and opinion on this matter.

The problem is people making up this lie that "Tony had zero interest in helping Dak".

If you "didn't see him" on TV coverage...there could be several reasons for that.....having nothing to do with Tony's desire or lack of.

These guys need to stop lying to make Tony look bad. From user name M.O.s.....ergo make Dak look good.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dak made progress training with Kitna. Dak just makes progress with coaching. He trains in the offseason every year. He's serious about his craft. His commitment to improvement, and *demonstrated* ability to improve, is the best thing about him as QB long term.

As for Romo, per Brice Butler Romo was *at one point* the guy making the weekly offensive game plan. Whether that continued in 2016, I can't say for sure, but good chance it would have, IMO. Once injured, Romo would have had more time on his hands, and there was every expectation that Romo would return as the starter sometime that season.

Demoting Romo from making the game plan while injured would have been a huge slap in the face for an injured starter presumed to return to the starting role. If anything, I would have expected them to *increase* his coaching responsibilities when he was injured.

Throughout these six years....what improvements have you noted?

I'm not being confrontational...I just want a more detail on what YOU see.

 

[ondaedg]

your image didnt show, I thought you were wrong, but now i remember tony sitting by dak talking to him and showing him something on the tablet, but I also know
dak was not looking at romo or the tablet, it was like he was ignoring tony.
Dak was not listening to tony.
Dak did talk to sanchez and listen to him.
Thats what I remember seeing.

Dak is arrogant, and is going to play qb the way he thinks is best, he is not going to listen to anyone else.
My take on dak , is he is smart guy off the field, but not very smart on the field. Especially when he gets a lot of pressure and hits.
I see a lot of things he does wrong, and at times things he does right. But he is going to do it his way.

Dandydon declared Dak arrogant. Well there you have it folks he’s arrogant!

 

[DandyDon52]

Dandydon declared Dak arrogant. Well there you have it folks he’s arrogant!

it is just IMO, not a fact. just like you dont know he isnt.

 

[khiladi]

The fact he's more comfortable going to open receivers/TE's kind of supports the idea we need quantity over particular quality, especially if teams (I feel a "Jimmie Ward, Dak, cover" coming on) are dropping back in coverage as we cant establish a running game.

These type of teams probably level off to somewhere around Wildcard appearance…

 

[ondaedg]

it is just IMO, not a fact. just like you dont know he isnt.

You were smearing him with zero evidence to support your “opinion”. The Eagles message board could use some “fans” like yourself.

 

[Dorsett33]

Dak isn't going anywhere people. Stop kicking and crying. Bum players....bum fans. Sounds like an even trade.

 

[Ranched]

They have to keep bums due to big contracts. What's amazing, they were able to rid Cooper. Gallup was much better & is less $. Next season Elliott will be gone as well. Pollard was much better & is less $ as well. Plus getting rid of Jaylon Smith was another great move. Oh, & Zuerlein. Not sure where you see they're "keeping bums".

 

[Pass2Run]

They have to keep bums due to big contracts. What's amazing, they were able to rid Cooper. Gallup was much better & is less $. Next season Elliott will be gone as well. Pollard was much better & is less $ as well. Plus getting rid of Jaylon Smith was another great move. Oh, & Zuerlein. Not sure where you see they're "keeping bums".

I was referring to the no-trade clause in his overinflated contract.

I know we're in a better situation than most teams at QB.

But Dak just doesn't strike me as having what it takes to win a Super Bowl, upstairs...

Maybe for another team, with another coach and owner.

But I don't think he can do it in the Cowboys environment, like Aikman did.

I feel bad for Romo, and Dak, because they just never had the kind of coaching other guys who had less talent had and still won the Super Bowl.

We don't have the Xs and Os tactician or game strategist like some of those teams had.

And Dak's mentality. Sure, he competes. But he's not obsessed with winning, like Brady, for example.

It's a fair criticism of Dak. You guys get all offensive about the term "bum," but it's a term that's been used in sports for a long time. For someone who is good, but not great.. just good enough to be the lower tier QB.

But Dak doesn't consistently beat winning teams.. so he's a bum beater, or bum.

Get over it. Until he starts beating teams with winning records on a consistent basis, he'll be referred to as the bum beater.

 

[Pass2Run]

They have to keep bums due to big contracts. What's amazing, they were able to rid Cooper. Gallup was much better & is less $. Next season Elliott will be gone as well. Pollard was much better & is less $ as well. Plus getting rid of Jaylon Smith was another great move. Oh, & Zuerlein. Not sure where you see they're "keeping bums".

They can't trade Dak because of his no trade clause.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Is it me?

Or did Dakota P. seem to show the most promise as a player when Romo was in his ear a lot?

Nussmeier has the experience for a job like this. But I think Dakota would just play better if he had a QB coach who had real NFL experience.

I'm certain Romo could do the job better than almost anyone. And as classy as he was, he never seemed to feel threatened by Prescott. He was actually trying to help him win the best he could, even though he wasn't behind center. And Dakota responded well to Romo's advice, I think particularly because he knew Romo was a legit QB trying to help him bring his skill level up NFL speed.

The main thing I see with Dak is, his lack of urgency.

I actually went back to watch Brady's first Super Bowl win last night.

It wasn't pretty.

It was your typical bus driver performance.

In fact, it was pretty awful. Brady is playing better at 44 than he was at 24.. In any case, in that first Super Bowl, you can tell Brady had his head in the game. You can see he wants to win it. And you can see he's focused on trying to give his team the best chance to win.. Not force anything stupid, etc .

Kurt Warner, on the other hand, forced something stupid four separate times, and it cost him twice.

Had he eliminated just one of those, the Rams win.

In any case, I'm fine with the coaching staff from a football standpoint. But they are lacking a bit in other areas like psychology, and anthropology (Belichick is a great anthropologist), and they need a QB coach who brings the best out of Dakota P. and coaches him up enough to take the risks needed to win without throwing the game being stupid ala Kurt Warner.

Using Brady as an extreme metric or comparison for Dakota P at least allows us to see how even the best quarterbacks in the game are really just bus driving bums after all.

So, it's a mindset that our team doesn't have.

You can see the mindset and cohesiveness the Patriots have as a team in that game and that kind of has little to do with the players and very much the coaches.

They surely didn't win that game from what Brady did.

It was more about what Brady didn't do.

So if we're keeping king bum beater, at least bring him a decent QB coach because chances are we'll have to face some elite QBs along the way.

And maybe our defense can bail out Dakota like the defense bailed out Brady in his first Super Bowl win, and prove all the haters wrong.

I think there's a small chance that can happen, even with the average QB play we're currently getting from Dakota, but he has to have the right coaches around him.

Me thinks Mr. Prescott needs more than just a QB coach.....maybe a witch doctor, or an exorcist....to get rid of all those ghosts he sees on the field.