Any Way Jordan Davis Falls to 24?

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If you are asking would I take him, the answer is absolutely. And he could be one of the exceptions that Jerry Jones was talking about in saying the team needs to take an OL but won't if a Parsons or Lamb falls. However, we also know in the past that the team hasn't valued big NT-type defensive lineman, especially if there are questions about their ability to be more than a run-down defender. So I don't expect Dallas to take him even if he's there, but I do hold out hope that avoiding big men was more of a Marinelli things and Quinn would force a change in that attitude.
We took Osa and Gholston last draft, both of whom are anti-Jerry types.
 

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It's not a rumor. It is clear from game footage that Davis takes plays off.

He'll flash some years in the NFL, but there is a high probability that he'll often be out of shape and end up as a Dontari Poe clone.
And that's what it comes down to. Can Quinn get him to play? I have no idea.

Disagree about Poe. He's almost a polar opposite, and Poe never was that great. He was more of a combine baby/looks like Tarzan plays like Jane type. Davis is much more of a football player, so it really comes down to the question of whether our coaching staff can get him to play.
 

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Of course they'd take him if he fell that far. I just don't see it happening. He wouldn't get past philly's two picks.
Thats my fear in this draft, Philly ends up draft Davis and we think its tough already to run
 

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DTs rarely get big contracts in free agency unless they're pass rushers.

Why spend a premium pick on a run downs DT when those are cheap in free agency?

Would you use a first on Dontari Poe, even based on his best years in the NFL?
I'd prefer to sign Poe AND Gerald McCoy to pricey free agent contracts. Get on it Jerry!
 

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NOPE -- not likely to happen, barring the happenstance of all the planets lining up wrong.

I think Jordan Davis may rightfully be one of the primo DTs to be considered in round one.

We'll likely be obliged to move up somewhat drastically to secure someone of that caliber.
 
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DTs rarely get big contracts in free agency unless they're pass rushers.

Why spend a premium pick on a run downs DT when those are cheap in free agency?

Would you use a first on Dontari Poe, even based on his best years in the NFL?

Because the cheap ones are just decent at best ?
What about past 1 techs that got paid to huge contracts at some point such as Dalvin Thompson, Michael Pierce, Kenny Clark, Linvah Joseph, etc.
 

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I think Jordan Davis may rightfully be one of the primo DTs to be considered in round one.

We'll likely be obliged to move up somewhat drastically to secure someone of that caliber.
Will be shocked if he slips out of top 10-15
 

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We took Osa and Gholston last draft, both of whom are anti-Jerry types.

Don't know if I agree with that. Our tendency is to draft 3-tech types (Odighizuwa, Collins, Hill) in the earlier rounds (second and third) and not draft NT types until late or not at all. Gholston as an end fits the profile of other mid-round ends we've drafted like Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong, Charles Tapper, Ryan Russell, etc.
 

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I dont think the issue is drafting him, it's that there's not much chance someone of his physical attributes falls (especially as teams with 2 picks can afford to take punt on a physical freak).
The fact that Jordan instantly helps: assist one of our weaknesses, create long 3rd downs and whilst not personally pash rushing he's a person mover that can be used to create unimpeded lanes for Micah and edges really is a no brainer pick.

THIS^^^^

Davis actually further weaponizes Parsons.

In addition to shoring up the run stopping woes the Cowboys seemingly have suffered since Jimmy.
 

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Don't know if I agree with that. Our tendency is to draft 3-tech types (Odighizuwa, Collins, Hill) in the earlier rounds (second and third) and not draft NT types until late or not at all. Gholston as an end fits the profile of other mid-round ends we've drafted like Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong, Charles Tapper, Ryan Russell, etc.

Those are some garbage DEs you listed.

McClay has not been good when it comes to DL.
 

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Because the cheap ones are just decent at best ?
What about past 1 techs that got paid to huge contracts at some point such as Dalvin Thompson, Michael Pierce, Kenny Clark, Linvah Joseph, etc.
Very strange how people don't comprehend the NT position and the huge value it has to a D when you have a disruptive one.
 
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Don't know if I agree with that. Our tendency is to draft 3-tech types (Odighizuwa, Collins, Hill) in the earlier rounds (second and third) and not draft NT types until late or not at all. Gholston as an end fits the profile of other mid-round ends we've drafted like Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong, Charles Tapper, Ryan Russell, etc.
He really doesn't. Those others are mostly attempts at finding a DWare. Gholston is more of a guy who will be solid at best, but at the very least should be....well, solid.

Tapper was a pure speed pick. Russell was simply a slug. Joe and Dorance were guys who were unlikely to ever be anything, but MIGHT have turned out to be good.

Osa and Gholston both are completely different types of DE than what we've picked in the past.
 

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Im in the minority, but I expect him to be the pick if he falls. They wouldn't have wasted an official visit on him if they weren't going to consider him
If Davis were still around at 24 that would be like passing on Parsons staring at you in the face.
 
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He really doesn't. Those others are mostly attempts at finding a DWare. Gholston is more of a guy who will be solid at best, but at the very least should be....well, solid.

Tapper was a pure speed pick. Russell was simply a slug. Joe and Dorance were guys who were unlikely to ever be anything, but MIGHT have turned out to be good.

Osa and Gholston both are completely different types of DE than what we've picked in the past.
We have some youth with upside at DL but lets even pretend that we have a true 1 tech rostered.
Dont need a true 1 tech if you have solid DL rotation depth, but thats the problem, we have some decent young still green prospects on DL, but that doesnt allow you to escape needing a true 1.
So this current DL situation demands a big true 1-tech, and if Quinn really has Jerrys respect, we see a big bodied run stuffer, space eating 1T drafted, doesnt have to be early, but we will see a lot
from this draft as far as who is being given some authority or not.
 

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I dont think the issue is drafting him, it's that there's not much chance someone of his physical attributes falls (especially as teams with 2 picks can afford to take punt on a physical freak).
The fact that Jordan instantly helps: assist one of our weaknesses, create long 3rd downs and whilst not personally pash rushing he's a person mover that can be used to create unimpeded lanes for Micah and edges really is a no brainer pick.
I think its unlikely he does fall, but if he does its likely because of two things

1) Teams may want more walk in pass rush ability. Davis has the talent to be a legit pass rusher, but right he would be more of a pocket pusher.

2) Abundant OT's and DE's could push him down. A good chance there are 5 OT's and 5 DE's that go before our pick. Now I think this is unlikely, but I have a seen a few mocks that have had major WR runs before our pick (Peter King has 6 going our pick. He has Davis going 15 and us getting Lindenbaum)

I do think Davis falling to us is unlikely, but I've seen crazier things. I do believe if he does, he will be their pick though
 
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And he collapses pockets, which is how NT's contribute to the pass rush
With his athleticism, he can a viable pass rusher with a year or so of technique work. He has the ability to be like the 2016-2018 version of Akiem Hicks. As a rookie he would probably be just a pocket pusher in the passing game. His trajectory could he like Poe, where it took a year to develop as a penetrator and he an all around DT, but as a rookie he was still very good as a 2 gap NT
 
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Very strange how people don't comprehend the NT position and the huge value it has to a D when you have a disruptive one.
FYI Marinelli was supposedly all in on Vea in 2018. So even the guy that doesnt value the positions understands how valuable a disruptive (key word) is. I believe the line with Vea was "1T with 3T traits"
 
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We have some youth with upside at DL but lets even pretend that we have a true 1 tech rostered.
Dont need a true 1 tech if you have solid DL rotation depth, but thats the problem, we have some decent young still green prospects on DL, but that doesnt allow you to escape needing a true 1.
So this current DL situation demands a big true 1-tech, and if Quinn really has Jerrys respect, we see a big bodied run stuffer, space eating 1T drafted, doesnt have to be early, but we will see a lot
from this draft as far as who is being given some authority or not.
Meant to say lets "not" even pretend,, to late to edit and I apologize for repeated bad typing skills.
 
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