News: There’s no doubt something happened behind the scenes with Cooper

[rags747]

Zeke>Murray

Not only that but Murray stunk soon as he left here and had a one year resurgence with the Titans. It was the right move.

Philly did not really use him right either though. They had that new college coach from Oregon I believe, don’t recall his name but Murray in Philly was totally misused imo.

 

[OmerV]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...upgrade-over-amari-cooper-as-a-no-1-receiver/

But Jones acknowledged Cooper had his issues and that Lamb has the makings of more a complete No. 1 receiver in “production, in the huddle and off the field.”

He’s a better #1 because he’s an upgrade off the field…? What does that even mean? Amari was a boy scout.

Something definitely happened last season that soured the team on Amari. Maybe it was the reported outbursts at Dak. Maybe the team asked him to take a pay cut. But CeeDee is a preferable option because he’s not making 20m$ a year, not because he’s proven to be superior on the football field. To outright say you prefer him over Amari implies there’s something more going on there.

I think the things about him getting made at Dak was more of an internet fabrication. He may well have wanted more targets, but nothing ever suggested he was the kind of guy to go off on people are make a scene.

My guess is that it was more about his demeanor. Not really a take charge guy or a leader. Sometimes the body language looked bad whether he meant it to or not, and he seemed a bit aloof. Never really saw him on the sideline talking with Dak, coaches or other receivers about what was going on in the game, and he never showed much enthusiasm. The Cowboys may have felt someone making the kind of money he was needed to be more of a leader.

 

[Cmac]

Jerry is simply a cheapshot artist and the reason no SB is in sight. Calling Amari out was just cheap.

 

[quickccc]

I think back at the huge critical Philly game in 2019, in a critical drive when both Cooper and Cobb were sidelined (benched?) ..and we had to resort to settled used special teams WR
I heard sideline radio reporter Christie Scales sideline reports that Cooper/Cobb on sidelines is not injury related - but just a coaches decision.

Because it was also Cobb involved too, I assume the issue was more Sanjay Lai (WR Coach) than the two WRs.
But when I found out about the escape clause option in Cooper’s re-signed contract, I kept that I the corner of my mind.

And what really the concerns about Cooper’s character became more public with the non-vax situation that both Jerry and Michael Irvin were publicly critical of Coop.
I just wonder if there was a combination of things that led to moving on without Cooper:

1) amount of money for a guy they expected to be an elite WR
2) Character (loaf?) concerns: he wasn’t a loudly diva public, but could there be a ‘ care free’ tone the club wasn’t fond of ?
3) the persistent injuries that continued to hamper and limit Coop

And that elite status does includes Cooper proving he can compete and beat the better coverage CBs.

 

[Jfconrow]

Irvin said it on TV. Cooper doesn’t make enough plays for getting 20m a year. I think also he had some foot injury and the rep as being lazy. All in all he was the best wr on the team, maybe Gallup was better but Lamb hasn’t shown much even if the stats say that.

So I’m scared. Gallup getting paid after the acl, good for him but he can’t play game one. Ceedee who knows? Washington is already in a boot and they have a rookie WR. Maybe Noah brown or Fehoko can do something or they dink and dunk it to the TEs for 17 games just shoot me know if that’s gonna happen.

 

[TheCritic]

Damaged goods? He came back from the injury in 2020 to play at an MVP level until he injured his calf. Not having to sit and watch Romo had no effect on him. He had one of the greatest rookie seasons of any QB. If you think he’s done you’re mistaken. However our OL issues and the players we lost at WR is going to make it tough on him to bounce back.

He got away with leg issue for a few games, but he was pushing his luck all along. Any QB who has the opportunity to sit and learn at the beginning of their career will benefit. As it is now, his leadership is never questioned and he never gets challenged by any of the backup QBs. Not healthy.

And please spare us with the greatest rookie season ever speech. Zeke made any success Dak had possible.

 

[Cowboyny]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...upgrade-over-amari-cooper-as-a-no-1-receiver/

But Jones acknowledged Cooper had his issues and that Lamb has the makings of more a complete No. 1 receiver in “production, in the huddle and off the field.”

He’s a better #1 because he’s an upgrade off the field…? What does that even mean? Amari was a boy scout.

Something definitely happened last season that soured the team on Amari. Maybe it was the reported outbursts at Dak. Maybe the team asked him to take a pay cut. But CeeDee is a preferable option because he’s not making 20m$ a year, not because he’s proven to be superior on the football field. To outright say you prefer him over Amari implies there’s something more going on there.

Cooper was consistently a no show in the big games and he actually was off the field late in ball games. Yes, I think something was going on.

 

[RoboQB]

Cooper was consistently a no show in the big games and he actually was off the field late in ball games. Yes, I think something was going on.

He seemed to do well with the backup QB in the Minnesota game.
13 targets 8 catches 122 yards 1 TD.
Even the backup knew to get the ball to Amari Cooper.

7 games with 5 or less targets.
By comparison, Cooper Kupp's lowest game targets was 7, twice,
in the last two regular season games.

 

[CWR]

Cooper was consistently a no show in the big games and he actually was off the field late in ball games. Yes, I think something was going on.

Yes that's the narrative. It makes me think of the Philly game he ended with a td reception.

What defines a big game? In the playoffs for Dallas his stats:

19 receptions
235 yards
2 tds

Hes gone, and I'm ok with it, but it was a crap deal for us. The Hollywood and AJ Brown trades provided all the context I needed. Anyway, he was a good player while he was here and I enjoyed rooting for him. I'm not gonna trash him because the team wanted to move on.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yes that's the narrative. It makes me think of the Philly game he ended with a td reception.

What defines a big game? In the playoffs for Dallas his stats:

19 receptions
235 yards
2 tds

Hes gone, and I'm ok with it, but it was a crap deal for us. The Hollywood and AJ Brown trades provided all the context I needed. Anyway, he was a good player while he was here and I enjoyed rooting for him. I'm not gonna trash him because the team wanted to move on.

Games against quality teams outside the division. Yes, should of gotten more compensation, but teams were taking on his contract after an average yr.

 

[Cowboyny]

He seemed to do well with the backup QB in the Minnesota game.
13 targets 8 catches 122 yards 1 TD.
Even the backup knew to get the ball to Amari Cooper.

7 games with 5 or less targets.
By comparison, Cooper Kupp's lowest game targets was 7, twice,
in the last two regular season games.

That's not an apples to apples comparison as Minnesota stacked the box and dared Cooper to beat them.

 

[TheCritic]

It's hilariously confusing on what we're allowed to discuss and who's allowed to
discuss it in these threads. One side isn't allowed to say crap while the other
side can bash the hell of you. I go to bed thinking I've finally made a few friends
only to wake up and see my comments are deleted.

It happens to everybody. I wouldn't take it personal.

 

[Pass2Run]

It happens to everybody. I wouldn't take it personal.

Yeah, it does. I don't even blink an eye. Just keep posting.

 

[RoboQB]

That's not an apples to apples comparison as Minnesota stacked the box and dared Cooper to beat them.

13 targets opposed to 5 or less is not apples to apples?
It looks to me like all the top WRs get 10+ targets a game.
68 catches when you're getting 5-6 targets a game is pretty damn good.
I would've thrown him at least 8 a game.

Look at the TB game. 13 catches! Should've had more opportunities
throughout the season.

Michael Irvin had 12 100 yard games with the greatest RB in NFL history
on the field. Apples to apples, indeed... lol/smh

 

[CouchCoach]

I think the things about him getting made at Dak was more of an internet fabrication. He may well have wanted more targets, but nothing ever suggested he was the kind of guy to go off on people are make a scene.

My guess is that it was more about his demeanor. Not really a take charge guy or a leader. Sometimes the body language looked bad whether he meant it to or not, and he seemed a bit aloof. Never really saw him on the sideline talking with Dak, coaches or other receivers about what was going on in the game, and he never showed much enthusiasm. The Cowboys may have felt someone making the kind of money he was needed to be more of a leader.

I don't think he was mad, he was asked about catches and he replied with the same response Beasley did, "we're getting open".

There is college open and NFL open just as there are QB's that are needle threading risk takers and QB's that are not. Some play more ball protection than others.

 

[Cowboyny]

13 targets opposed to 5 or less is not apples to apples?
It looks to me like all the top WRs get 10+ targets a game.
68 catches when you're getting 5-6 targets a game is pretty damn good.
I would've thrown him at least 8 a game.

Look at the TB game. 13 catches! Should've had more opportunities
throughout the season.

Michael Irvin had 12 100 yard games with the greatest RB in NFL history
on the field. Apples to apples, indeed... lol/smh

When a team is facing a QB who is making his 1st start, it's not the same against a veteran QB. They will look to make him beat them, which he eventually did.

 

[john van brocklin]

He missed 2 games because of the NFL protocall that the front office may have felt was preventable.

 

[RoboQB]

When a team is facing a QB who is making his 1st start, it's not the same against a veteran QB. They will look to make him beat them, which he eventually did.

Sure, but this is about Amari Cooper.
Dude deserved to average 8-9 targets a game.
That was not the case.
I applaud Rush for essentially saying screw it I'm throwing to Amari.

 

[eromeopolk]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...upgrade-over-amari-cooper-as-a-no-1-receiver/

But Jones acknowledged Cooper had his issues and that Lamb has the makings of more a complete No. 1 receiver in “production, in the huddle and off the field.”

He’s a better #1 because he’s an upgrade off the field…? What does that even mean? Amari was a boy scout.

Something definitely happened last season that soured the team on Amari. Maybe it was the reported outbursts at Dak. Maybe the team asked him to take a pay cut. But CeeDee is a preferable option because he’s not making 20m$ a year, not because he’s proven to be superior on the football field. To outright say you prefer him over Amari implies there’s something more going on there.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Dak without Cooper was a hot mess that was headed to a losing season. Cooper comes to Dallas the season is saved and the Cowboys make the playoffs, and Cooper was the leading WR in the playoff win and loss. Next year Cooper is having a great year and the Read Head Devil puts his best WR on the sideline with a playoff spot on the line. No Cooper, no playoff. The Next year Cooper is putting up his 3rd year in a row of Pro Bowl performances and Dak goes down to injury. Every WR on the team quit but Cooper who had his best year in Dallas without Dak +90 rec, +1100yds and No Dak. Final year in Dallas sees Cooper miss most of the preseason letting Jerry Dumbo GM Jones draft steal get all the reps. Cooper plays in the first game of the season putting up another PRO BOWL performance versus Tampa making Jerry The Dumbo GM well Dumb. The staff shuts Cooper out to feed the Lamb. But with the season on the line with no Dak (again) Cooper comes to the rescue with another PRO BOWL performance in a must win game vs. the Vikings with the back up QB. Dak returns and the coaching staff shuts him out and he gets COVID missing games all Cowboy losses. But before that he was only targeted 9 times in 2 games. He comes back and Cowboys win 4 in a row. But, he states that he should be used more to help the team (very much against his norm). Cooper closes out the year topping Cowboys WR preformances and in the playoffs continued as the top WR scoring TDs in every Cowboys playoff game he played in. After the season, Jerry Dumbo GM Jones then trades his only successful traded for player (especially WR) in the post Jimmy Johnson era.

Keep drinking that Kool Aid Arlington Jonesboys fans.

 

[Praxit]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...upgrade-over-amari-cooper-as-a-no-1-receiver/

But Jones acknowledged Cooper had his issues and that Lamb has the makings of more a complete No. 1 receiver in “production, in the huddle and off the field.”

He’s a better #1 because he’s an upgrade off the field…? What does that even mean? Amari was a boy scout.

Something definitely happened last season that soured the team on Amari. Maybe it was the reported outbursts at Dak. Maybe the team asked him to take a pay cut. But CeeDee is a preferable option because he’s not making 20m$ a year, not because he’s proven to be superior on the football field. To outright say you prefer him over Amari implies there’s something more going on there.

....I have to go with latter. Once you start springing up "I want the ball". That puts unnecessary pressure on OC and QB.

Just moving the ball 10 yds is hard enough. Last thing you need, is someone wanting to get fed.