Serious Question: Is Dak better now than Romo in his prime?

[MountaineerCowboy]

I'm not going to bash Romo I like him but the fact is Dak was not handed a winning team, he was handed a team that went 4-12 that fact you don't have to like it but it is what it is. I agree it is a team effort that lead to the 13-3 but they were still 13-3 with Dak behind center.

I showed you where Dak ranked in QB stats in 2016, that's cold hard facts, so we can leave feels out of it.

Do you not realize that Zeke was also drafted in 2016? 3 rounds ahead of Dak? I know you want to make people believe that it was Dak that was handed this 4-12 team and turned them into a 13-3 team, but the fact that you just purposely ignore (because you have still not acknowledged it) that our 1st round pick that year, that also was not on that 4-12 in 2015,won the rushing title by OVER 300 YARDS is weak.

You remember the heart over brain thing? That's what you're doing right now. I promise you that Dak Prescott is not worth looking clueless over.

 

[G2]

Romo didn't take us anywhere in 2014 with Offensive Player of the Year Demarco Murray?

The RB that had the best season of any Dallas Cowboy EVER?
What difference would that make?

 

[Ken]

I showed you where Dak ranked in QB stats in 2016, that's cold hard facts, so we can leave feels out of it.

Do you not realize that Zeke was also drafted in 2016? 3 rounds ahead of Dak? I know you want to make people believe that it was Dak that was handed this 4-12 team and turned them into a 13-3 team, but the fact that you just purposely ignore (because you have still not acknowledged it) that our 1st round pick that year, that also was not on that 4-12 in 2015,won the rushing title by OVER 300 YARDS is weak.

You remember the heart over brain thing? That's what you're doing right now. I promise you that Dak Prescott is not worth looking clueless over.

Everything you are saying here....is invalidating Romo's best year in his career in 2014 then.

Just so you know.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's hard to compare these two quarterbacks because they were so different. Better to compare Romo to Matt Stafford. Even though I think Romo and Stafford are better, Dak has some qualities that are better.

When Dak throws a pick I'm surprised. I didn't expect that. There's no doubt he takes care of the ball better in that regard. When Tony or Matt throw a pick, I just take another shot. See if I can remain standing for the entire game. Romo takes a lot more chances and I do believe he processed the game a bit quicker. I just don't think the gap between Tony and Dak is as big as some people might believe. We see a lot of the same type seasons with both quarterbacks. That leads me to believe the problem isn't at QB.

Agreed. Dak, Romo, Stafford are all in the same abilities. With Romo and Stafford having a little better passing ability.

 

[TwentyOne]

Dak has improved and what not but I think Romo was greater with less

Romo was better. And it aint no competition.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

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Rk         Player From   To AV  G   QBrec  Cmp  Att Cmp%   Yds  TD Rate Lng Int  Sk  Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att  Yds TD Y/A Lng  Rec Yds TD  Y/R Lng
1    Dak Prescott 2016 2021 77 85 53-32-0 1924 2889 66.6 22083 143 98.7  90  50 176 1036 7.6 7.85 6.87  7.07 307 1460 25 4.8  42    1  11  1 11.0  11
2       Tony Romo 2006 2011 72 83 47-30-0 1672 2592 64.5 20834 149 96.9  80  72 142  887 8.0 7.94 7.30  7.20 156  461  4 3.0  17    0  11       0  11
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Here is Dak's career vs the first 6 seasons that Romo actually played. So Romo has the advantage of having 2 years to sit and learn and work on his mechanics and learn the offense while Dak got thrown in.

Dak's numbers are all better.

Per Game Numbers

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Rk         Player From   To  Cmp  Att   Yds  TD Int  Sk  Yds  Att  Yds  TD
1    Dak Prescott 2016 2021 22.6 34.0 259.8 1.7 0.6 2.1 12.2  3.6 17.2 0.3
2       Tony Romo 2006 2011 20.1 31.2 251.0 1.8 0.9 1.7 10.7  1.9  5.6 0.0
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PLAYOFFS /Jim Mora voice

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Rk         Player From   To G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%  Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A  Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1    Dak Prescott 2016 2021 4 1-3-0  89 146 61.0 1048  6 87.9  44   3  9  69 7.2 7.08 6.32  6.22   14  72  3 5.1  17
2       Tony Romo 2006 2009 4 1-3-0  80 135 59.3  832  4 80.8  36   2 12  98 6.2 6.09 4.99  4.93    7  21  0 3.0  11
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Why won't you answer my question, Ken?

I see you posting, so I know you've seen it. Here I'll try again, maybe you missed it:

Do you also believe Dak and Romo are better than Aikman and Staubach? Because I'm sure they have them beat in those same stats too.

The QB position, even from when Romo got started, has changed a lot and those stats without context are misleading and is no accurate indicator of who the better player is.

So, if you use these stats to "prove" Dak is better than Romo... Do you also believe Romo and Dak are better than Aikman and Staubach?

 

[Doomsday101]

Even if we use a team stat like W/L as some kind of barometer to judge Romo and Dak...

According to PPR:

Romo's led the Cowboys to a 78-49 record. That's a 61% winning percentage.

Dak's led the Cowboys to a 53-32 record. That's a 62% winning percentage.

WOW. a whole 1% better. Dak is so much greater than Romo, huh?

Let's look at playoffs now:

Dak's led the Cowboys to a 1-3 record. That's a 25% winning percentage.

Romo led the Cowboys to a 2-4 record. That's a 33% winning percentage.

Romo led teams gave got him there....

I think Romo was a very good QB. As for post season? Romo was in the league 13 years and was a starter for 11.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Everything you are saying here....is invalidating Romo's best year in his career in 2014 then.

Just so you know.

I don't care at all.

I think Romo and Dak both are losers on the football field.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I think Romo was a very good QB. As for post season? Romo was in the league 13 years and was a starter for 11.

Okay. So?

Dak should easily pass him in the next 5 years then, right?

 

[Doomsday101]

Would you prefer me to go after the QB that hasn't played a snap in 6 years? Would that make you feel better?

When Dak is gone I'll do the same to the next QB if he plays bad, puts up empty numbers, and leads us to nothing. In fact, I'll probably wind up defending Dak when "fans" like you start acting like the new QB is SOOOOO MUCH better than Dak when you compare his empty stats to Daks.

That's what ya'll do, it's the flavor of the week type of thing for ya'll, you hop on whoever the current QB is bandwagon and anyone is fair game as long as you defend the new flavor of the week.

And you guys have nerve to act all high and mighty like your better fans for it.

I was a big Romo fan only QB I was not a big fan of was Qunicy Carter or the QB debacle of Henson, Hutchinson and the rest.

 

[Doomsday101]

Okay. So?

Dak should easily pass him in the next 5 years then, right?

Yes he should.

 

[Ken]

Why won't you answer my question, Ken?

I see you posting, so I know you've seen it. Here I'll try again, maybe you missed it:

Do you also believe Dak and Romo are better than Aikman and Staubach? Because I'm sure they have them beat in those same stats too.

The QB position, even from when Romo got started, has changed a lot and those stats without context are misleading and is no accurate indicator of who the better player is.

So, if you use these stats to "prove" Dak is better than Romo... Do you also believe Romo and Dak are better than Aikman and Staubach?

Oh sorry, I thought i responded to this, must have been in my mind.

I have often said that the cowboys win the same super bowls with Romo behind center on those 90s teams. No doubt in my mind. Aikman, for as good as he was, was an absolute statue and fell apart when everything wasn't perfect.

Everything was almost always perfect up until 1996 for Troy. Why was that? Because he played on some of the most talented teams in NFL history. Yet...i never hear him bashed by people like you for that but Dak is bashed unmercifully for having a fraction of the talent around him that Aikman did.

I believe Dak could have won playing qb for those Cowboys as well. Not a stretch at all when you have the running game they had and the perpetual #1 defenses in the league.

 

[G2]

Romo in 2014 had his best season, along with the best Cowboy season by a RB ever.

That was in year 9 of his career. Not including the years he sat the bench.
And here we are listening to some fans suggesting that's a heads up comparison.

Some fans will literally say anything to justify their biased opinions/hatred.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Oh sorry, I thought i responded to this, must have been in my mind.

I have often said that the cowboys win the same super bowls with Romo behind center on those 90s teams. No doubt in my mind. Aikman, for as good as he was, was an absolute statue and fell apart when everything wasn't perfect.

Everything was almost always perfect up until 1996 for Troy. Why was that? Because he played on some of the most talented teams in NFL history. Yet...i never hear him bashed by people like you for that but Dak is bashed unmercifully for having a fraction of the talent around him that Aikman did.

I believe Dak could have won playing qb for those Cowboys as well. Not a stretch at all when you have the running game they had and the perpetual #1 defenses in the league.

Okay, but you didn't answer my question:

Do you believe Dak and Romo are better than Aikman and Staubach?

I'm not asking if they could have won on those teams. Do you believe they are flat out better? Because their stats would say so, right?

 

[McKDaddy]

If you could put TR & Dak in exactly the same situations, it's a cake walk win for TR.

If you've watched them both and think Dak is in the discussion, maybe you should debate things like Days of Our Lives plot lines. QB analysis isn't for you.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Dak and Romo both beat Staubach and Aikman if you compare those same numbers.

Your "boy" Ken avoided the question, but maybe you won't.

Do you believe Dak and Romo are better than Aikman and Staubach?

Hard to say im a believer you cant really compare eras. But romo and dak were close enough you can compare. I think aikman was the most accurate and had the most arm talent out of all of them. But the game wasnt played the way it is now then. Same with Staubach. They found ways to win games and were great leaders. Romo was not a good leader.

 

[Hennessy_King]

W/L is a team stat, not a QB stat.

We can argue this until we're blue in the face, but you and I both know that for the majority of Romo's career the team around him was trash.

Absolutely not. The team from 2006-2010 was really good. 2007 was the best team weve had since 1996. But dak beats romo in the w-l column and every stat lol. So how is he not better? He also didnt run a hall of fame wr out of town like romo did with T.O.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I mean Romo literally had the same offensive line in 14. a healther and younger dez and Witten and a guy in murray who was every bit as good if not better than zeke. most of these guys whining are just salty romorooters. They will complain about the defense for Romo but blame dak under same circumstances. complain about the line for Romo but blame Dak when we have seen the line erode. I mean conner william and tyler B have been pushed into daks lap far to often and Tyron well his absence from lineup has been talked about at nauseum.

Im not hitched to the Dak wagon if they brought in a replacement i wouldnt lose sleep.(they wont btw) but to say romo was this godsend that got shafted (paraphrasing) is ridiculous. the only edge I give Romo is he had better accuracy at times but the flipside is he was to accurate giving the ball to the other team at the wrong times. and he was ALSO overpaid.

Yessir. Romo used to make dumb decisions with the football that hurt this team way way more than dak does. Idk about the accuracy they have both thrown some crazy throws. They talk about the o line, dak had 1 year with a good o line in 2016 every year it has declined. Romo was definitely overpaid and that last stupid contract they gave him handcuffed us for $20m in dead money because he refused to slide early in a preseason game.

 

[America's Cowboy]

When Dak's career is over we will see.

As of right now he certainly is not better.

Romo was a gunslinger and Dak is not; that is the biggest difference between the two as regards how they play QB.

With Romo it was more risk/reward with Dak its more steady but at the same time you are not going to see games where he really does incredible or terrible.

Both were/are cursed by suffering under JG; and both are/were cursed with the Jones boys running the team.

Dak has thrown for more 400+ yard games in half of the games it took Romo to accomplish throughout a 10 year starting career.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-in-cowboys-history-in-roughly-half-the-games

But Romo was a gunslinger while Dak is not?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Dak has thrown for more 400+ yard games in half of the games it took Romo to accomplish throughout a 10 year starting career.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-in-cowboys-history-in-roughly-half-the-games

But Romo was a gunslinger while Dak is not?

Daks stats are better, int rate way lower and a better win %. They are just dumb fans theres nothing we can do lol