Zeke's most alarming stat the last few years - Is it over?

VaqueroTD

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,144
Reaction score
16,559
For those that don't have ESPN+ and can't see more of the details on their coach/GM/player rankings of running backs, there were 6 RBs picked #1 overall. Derrick Henry had the most and highest votes so he was picked #1 overall. And Zeke was in the "Honorable Mention" category which means he received some Top 10 votes, but not enough to break the Top 10.

A big comment by the voters was that he lost his breakaway speed. For those of us watching the games, this has been apparent. Some blame the blocking.

But here are the longest runs in NFL year-by-year for every season they played for the 6 RBs picked as #1

Derrick Henry 22, 75, 99, 74, 94, 76 (Wow! Talk about dominance his entire career thus far)
Jonathan Taylor 62, 83
Nick Chubb 92, 88, 59, 70
Dalvin Cook 33, 70, 75, 70, 66
Alvin Kamara 74, 49, 40, 49, 30 (Ok, starting to get back to regular human here)
Joe Mixon 25, 51, 41, 34, 32

Zeke?

60, 30, 41, 33, 31, 47

Pollard?

44, 42, 58

Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

How about yards/attempt? Pretty similar line. Zeke compares with the guys ranked after the top 4, but still loses out to Pollard.

Derrick Henry 4.5, 4.2, 4.9, 5.1, 5.4, 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 5.0, 5.5
Nick Chubb 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5
Dalvin Cook 4.8, 4.6, 4.5, 5.0, 4.7
Alvin Kamara 6.1, 4.6, 4.7, 5.0, 3.7
Joe Mixon 3.5, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6, 4.1

Zeke?

5.1, 4.1, 4.7, 4.5, 4.0, 4.2

Pollard

5.3, 4.3, 5.5

So the number missing here is attempts. Can Pollard put up those numbers full-time? Doubtful. Zeke has been the workhorse of our team every year, while can't say the same about everyone on that top 1 list. Some of those guys did not average 300 attempts/year like Zeke, or couldn't play 16 games through everything. You also don't hear it on blocking and Zeke always has his boy Dak's back. This is why you hear it from guys like Aikman - love his heart, love his will -- Zeke will play through anything and is a workhorse, but unfortunately, you don't win points for that, and why we should at least try to give Pollard a shot to have more carries vs Zeke. You also don't win points for playing hurt. It does help you though win the total rushing yards title in a season.

But I guess I'm trying to say, not everything is black & white. Is Zeke that same superstar in his earliest years? No. Especially with him not able to consistently be the workhorse. But he's still one of the better RBs in the league all things considered. The things that get Zeke is he's being paid more than anyone on that list. That I can't argue with, nor can I argue with the fact that none of those guys didn't cost as high a draft pick. None of those #1 votes above was drafted in the first round!

I tried looking around for guys that came out of nowhere after 6 seasons and started leading the league again in stats. Even Emmitt after 6 years never put in one of those stat heavy years again, but he did maintain consistency and was that freak iron horse we all love. Bettis rebounded after 3 years. Even John Riggins in his rebirth with the Skins still put up numbers similar to Zeke's current numbers. Adrian Peterson had a great year at age 30 after all those injuries. But it is tough to find RBs that came back after six seasons.

So yes, probably Zeke's last year unless he takes a sizeable pay cut to stay in Dallas. And yes, we'll find someone who can still put up numbers if we draft right. Appreciate all Zeke did, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, because he is one of my favorite players because of all the intangibles I mentioned - plays hurt, blocks, team player - but won't be surprised to see him in another uniform next year if he doesn't have a miraculous comeback this year which looks unlikely.
 

Tangle_Foot

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,194
Reaction score
28,435
If it's over for him in Dallas it will be due to the cap. He's a good back not great and he's being paid like a great back. Call it hate or call it just doing business. I think it's just doing business.

He's not the guy that's going to turn a missed tackle into a 60-yard run, he's the guy that will break two 2-3 tackles on the way to a 20-30 yard run.
 
Last edited:

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
97,723
Reaction score
100,657
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
We've all seen Zeke's speed decline over the years. Look at some videos of him at Ohio State and you will wonder what happened to that guy.

I hate for the Cowboys to cut Zeke but it's either that or eat his deal because there is no way he takes a big enough reduction in salary to justify his stats. I mean, if his deal was for only $9M a year he would still be over paid.

The Cowboys could draft a RB in the 3rd and get comparable production at a fraction of the cost. Use Zeke's money to plug a hole (or 2) and overall the team gets better.
 

ondaedg

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,891
Reaction score
3,034
If it's over for him in Dallas it will be due to the cap. He's a good back not great and he's being paid like a great back. Call it hate or call it just doing business. I think it's just doing business.

He's not the guy that's going to turn a missed tackle into a 60-yard run, he's the guy that will break two 2-3 tackles on the way to a 20-30 yard run.

Actually he’s not that guy who’s going to break 2-3 tackles. He only broke 9 tackles for the entire 2021 season. To put that into perspective Marion Barber once broke 6 tackles on one run. Zeke was 47th in rushing attempts/broken tackle at 26.3.
 

ondaedg

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,891
Reaction score
3,034
For those that don't have ESPN+ and can't see more of the details on their coach/GM/player rankings of running backs, there were 6 RBs picked #1 overall. Derrick Henry had the most and highest votes so he was picked #1 overall. And Zeke was in the "Honorable Mention" category which means he received some Top 10 votes, but not enough to break the Top 10.

A big comment by the voters was that he lost his breakaway speed. For those of us watching the games, this has been apparent. Some blame the blocking.

But here are the longest runs in NFL year-by-year for every season they played for the 6 RBs picked as #1

Derrick Henry 22, 75, 99, 74, 94, 76 (Wow! Talk about dominance his entire career thus far)
Jonathan Taylor 62, 83
Nick Chubb 92, 88, 59, 70
Dalvin Cook 33, 70, 75, 70, 66
Alvin Kamara 74, 49, 40, 49, 30 (Ok, starting to get back to regular human here)
Joe Mixon 25, 51, 41, 34, 32

Zeke?

60, 30, 41, 33, 31, 47

Pollard?

44, 42, 58

Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

How about yards/attempt? Pretty similar line. Zeke compares with the guys ranked after the top 4, but still loses out to Pollard.

Derrick Henry 4.5, 4.2, 4.9, 5.1, 5.4, 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 5.0, 5.5
Nick Chubb 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5
Dalvin Cook 4.8, 4.6, 4.5, 5.0, 4.7
Alvin Kamara 6.1, 4.6, 4.7, 5.0, 3.7
Joe Mixon 3.5, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6, 4.1

Zeke?

5.1, 4.1, 4.7, 4.5, 4.0, 4.2

Pollard

5.3, 4.3, 5.5

So the number missing here is attempts. Can Pollard put up those numbers full-time? Doubtful. Zeke has been the workhorse of our team every year, while can't say the same about everyone on that top 1 list. Some of those guys did not average 300 attempts/year like Zeke, or couldn't play 16 games through everything. You also don't hear it on blocking and Zeke always has his boy Dak's back. This is why you hear it from guys like Aikman - love his heart, love his will -- Zeke will play through anything and is a workhorse, but unfortunately, you don't win points for that, and why we should at least try to give Pollard a shot to have more carries vs Zeke. You also don't win points for playing hurt. It does help you though win the total rushing yards title in a season.

But I guess I'm trying to say, not everything is black & white. Is Zeke that same superstar in his earliest years? No. Especially with him not able to consistently be the workhorse. But he's still one of the better RBs in the league all things considered. The things that get Zeke is he's being paid more than anyone on that list. That I can't argue with, nor can I argue with the fact that none of those guys didn't cost as high a draft pick. None of those #1 votes above was drafted in the first round!

I tried looking around for guys that came out of nowhere after 6 seasons and started leading the league again in stats. Even Emmitt after 6 years never put in one of those stat heavy years again, but he did maintain consistency and was that freak iron horse we all love. Bettis rebounded after 3 years. Even John Riggins in his rebirth with the Skins still put up numbers similar to Zeke's current numbers. Adrian Peterson had a great year at age 30 after all those injuries. But it is tough to find RBs that came back after six seasons.

So yes, probably Zeke's last year unless he takes a sizeable pay cut to stay in Dallas. And yes, we'll find someone who can still put up numbers if we draft right. Appreciate all Zeke did, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, because he is one of my favorite players because of all the intangibles I mentioned - plays hurt, blocks, team player - but won't be surprised to see him in another uniform next year if he doesn't have a miraculous comeback this year which looks unlikely.

Love the analysis and I think the reason for the lack of long runs isn’t so much a decline in speed but a massive decline in his ability to break tackles or make a defender miss. Zeke only had 9 broken tackles for the entire season and was 47th in attempts/broken tackles at 26.3. To add some perspective to that Jonathan Taylor broke a tackle every 13.3 carries and Nick Chubb had 30 broken tackles and did so every 8.5 carries.
 

slick325

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,131
Reaction score
8,814
Zeke came in the League the same year as the "Great" Derek Henry. The most telling stat is that he has the most yards rushing since 2016 and the 3rd most TDs in the same time frame. But, more importantly, he missed games due to suspension, coaches decision (sitting him out during the last game of the season twice) and injury. Plus, Cowboys fans have seen him split carries last season with Pollard.

Zeke is one of the best backs in the League. Should EASILY be in the top 10. And yes...he is better than his backup. Currently, in college and high school...in other words, on every level.

Smh
 

basel90

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,929
Reaction score
4,305
he was a mistake the moment jason garret pushed to draft him. garrett was so behind the times in the game and jerry went along with it and doubled down on it. sad
zeke is an ongoing mistake that should have been let go once he went to cabo.
 

Coogiguy03

Well-Known Member
Messages
18,025
Reaction score
15,330
Actually he’s not that guy who’s going to break 2-3 tackles. He only broke 9 tackles for the entire 2021 season. To put that into perspective Marion Barber once broke 6 tackles on one run. Zeke was 47th in rushing attempts/broken tackle at 26.3.


Too busy being tackled by someone blowing on him!! We say we want him to eat, he's eaten too much lost all his speed
 

Hardline

Well-Known Member
Messages
20,835
Reaction score
36,371
I would draft RB Bjion Robinson if he's on board next year. I would even draft him in the first round.
He is elite and would be the best RB in the NFL day one.
I don't care how much you kick and scream this is a passing league. The Cowboys are only competitive with great RBs and Robinson is a deadly passing threat out of the backfield.
 

john van brocklin

Captain Comeback
Messages
38,425
Reaction score
43,348
For those that don't have ESPN+ and can't see more of the details on their coach/GM/player rankings of running backs, there were 6 RBs picked #1 overall. Derrick Henry had the most and highest votes so he was picked #1 overall. And Zeke was in the "Honorable Mention" category which means he received some Top 10 votes, but not enough to break the Top 10.

A big comment by the voters was that he lost his breakaway speed. For those of us watching the games, this has been apparent. Some blame the blocking.

But here are the longest runs in NFL year-by-year for every season they played for the 6 RBs picked as #1

Derrick Henry 22, 75, 99, 74, 94, 76 (Wow! Talk about dominance his entire career thus far)
Jonathan Taylor 62, 83
Nick Chubb 92, 88, 59, 70
Dalvin Cook 33, 70, 75, 70, 66
Alvin Kamara 74, 49, 40, 49, 30 (Ok, starting to get back to regular human here)
Joe Mixon 25, 51, 41, 34, 32

Zeke?

60, 30, 41, 33, 31, 47

Pollard?

44, 42, 58

Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

How about yards/attempt? Pretty similar line. Zeke compares with the guys ranked after the top 4, but still loses out to Pollard.

Derrick Henry 4.5, 4.2, 4.9, 5.1, 5.4, 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 5.0, 5.5
Nick Chubb 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5
Dalvin Cook 4.8, 4.6, 4.5, 5.0, 4.7
Alvin Kamara 6.1, 4.6, 4.7, 5.0, 3.7
Joe Mixon 3.5, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6, 4.1

Zeke?

5.1, 4.1, 4.7, 4.5, 4.0, 4.2

Pollard

5.3, 4.3, 5.5

So the number missing here is attempts. Can Pollard put up those numbers full-time? Doubtful. Zeke has been the workhorse of our team every year, while can't say the same about everyone on that top 1 list. Some of those guys did not average 300 attempts/year like Zeke, or couldn't play 16 games through everything. You also don't hear it on blocking and Zeke always has his boy Dak's back. This is why you hear it from guys like Aikman - love his heart, love his will -- Zeke will play through anything and is a workhorse, but unfortunately, you don't win points for that, and why we should at least try to give Pollard a shot to have more carries vs Zeke. You also don't win points for playing hurt. It does help you though win the total rushing yards title in a season.

But I guess I'm trying to say, not everything is black & white. Is Zeke that same superstar in his earliest years? No. Especially with him not able to consistently be the workhorse. But he's still one of the better RBs in the league all things considered. The things that get Zeke is he's being paid more than anyone on that list. That I can't argue with, nor can I argue with the fact that none of those guys didn't cost as high a draft pick. None of those #1 votes above was drafted in the first round!

I tried looking around for guys that came out of nowhere after 6 seasons and started leading the league again in stats. Even Emmitt after 6 years never put in one of those stat heavy years again, but he did maintain consistency and was that freak iron horse we all love. Bettis rebounded after 3 years. Even John Riggins in his rebirth with the Skins still put up numbers similar to Zeke's current numbers. Adrian Peterson had a great year at age 30 after all those injuries. But it is tough to find RBs that came back after six seasons.

So yes, probably Zeke's last year unless he takes a sizeable pay cut to stay in Dallas. And yes, we'll find someone who can still put up numbers if we draft right. Appreciate all Zeke did, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, because he is one of my favorite players because of all the intangibles I mentioned - plays hurt, blocks, team player - but won't be surprised to see him in another uniform next year if he doesn't have a miraculous comeback this year which looks unlikely.
Wow, now that post was a lot of work.
Thanks for your efforts
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,829
Reaction score
20,900
Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

Somewhere are "top speed" stats for players. NextGenStats?
Zeke's top speed on the field in 2016 was about 10% faster than later years. Around 22mph.
Zeke was a freak in 2016. A mortal since.
 

Bullflop

Cowboys Diehard
Messages
24,689
Reaction score
30,021
I think it's fair to contend that Zeke's career is on its last leg, although, there's still room for him as our power back. I'd have no objection to see him get his fair share of the action, as long as his current production remains reasonably fruitful. There's enough room for both Zeke and Pollard in 2022.

Jerry and Stephen aren't going to dramatically eliminate Zeke's number of reps in the current Cowboys' offense. There are other RBs on the roster who can also offer a notable piece of the action. Keeping all of those in our RB corps fresh doesn't really seem like a bad idea at all to me.

Pollard shouldn't be relegated to a minor role nearly as much as he has in the past. I expect both to get a generous share of the RB action in 2022. Whether Zeke is likely to be sent packing in 2023 will be up to the FO when the time comes. They care little of what we think.
 
Last edited:

GimmeTheBall!

Junior College Transfer
Messages
36,413
Reaction score
17,000
For those that don't have ESPN+ and can't see more of the details on their coach/GM/player rankings of running backs, there were 6 RBs picked #1 overall. Derrick Henry had the most and highest votes so he was picked #1 overall. And Zeke was in the "Honorable Mention" category which means he received some Top 10 votes, but not enough to break the Top 10.

A big comment by the voters was that he lost his breakaway speed. For those of us watching the games, this has been apparent. Some blame the blocking.

But here are the longest runs in NFL year-by-year for every season they played for the 6 RBs picked as #1

Derrick Henry 22, 75, 99, 74, 94, 76 (Wow! Talk about dominance his entire career thus far)
Jonathan Taylor 62, 83
Nick Chubb 92, 88, 59, 70
Dalvin Cook 33, 70, 75, 70, 66
Alvin Kamara 74, 49, 40, 49, 30 (Ok, starting to get back to regular human here)
Joe Mixon 25, 51, 41, 34, 32

Zeke?

60, 30, 41, 33, 31, 47

Pollard?

44, 42, 58

Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

How about yards/attempt? Pretty similar line. Zeke compares with the guys ranked after the top 4, but still loses out to Pollard.

Derrick Henry 4.5, 4.2, 4.9, 5.1, 5.4, 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 5.0, 5.5
Nick Chubb 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5
Dalvin Cook 4.8, 4.6, 4.5, 5.0, 4.7
Alvin Kamara 6.1, 4.6, 4.7, 5.0, 3.7
Joe Mixon 3.5, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6, 4.1

Zeke?

5.1, 4.1, 4.7, 4.5, 4.0, 4.2

Pollard

5.3, 4.3, 5.5

So the number missing here is attempts. Can Pollard put up those numbers full-time? Doubtful. Zeke has been the workhorse of our team every year, while can't say the same about everyone on that top 1 list. Some of those guys did not average 300 attempts/year like Zeke, or couldn't play 16 games through everything. You also don't hear it on blocking and Zeke always has his boy Dak's back. This is why you hear it from guys like Aikman - love his heart, love his will -- Zeke will play through anything and is a workhorse, but unfortunately, you don't win points for that, and why we should at least try to give Pollard a shot to have more carries vs Zeke. You also don't win points for playing hurt. It does help you though win the total rushing yards title in a season.

But I guess I'm trying to say, not everything is black & white. Is Zeke that same superstar in his earliest years? No. Especially with him not able to consistently be the workhorse. But he's still one of the better RBs in the league all things considered. The things that get Zeke is he's being paid more than anyone on that list. That I can't argue with, nor can I argue with the fact that none of those guys didn't cost as high a draft pick. None of those #1 votes above was drafted in the first round!

I tried looking around for guys that came out of nowhere after 6 seasons and started leading the league again in stats. Even Emmitt after 6 years never put in one of those stat heavy years again, but he did maintain consistency and was that freak iron horse we all love. Bettis rebounded after 3 years. Even John Riggins in his rebirth with the Skins still put up numbers similar to Zeke's current numbers. Adrian Peterson had a great year at age 30 after all those injuries. But it is tough to find RBs that came back after six seasons.

So yes, probably Zeke's last year unless he takes a sizeable pay cut to stay in Dallas. And yes, we'll find someone who can still put up numbers if we draft right. Appreciate all Zeke did, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, because he is one of my favorite players because of all the intangibles I mentioned - plays hurt, blocks, team player - but won't be surprised to see him in another uniform next year if he doesn't have a miraculous comeback this year which looks unlikely.

In the name of the Queen Mum in Heaven, please! Please don't keep him beyond his contract! In what capacity? Practice team?
 

GimmeTheBall!

Junior College Transfer
Messages
36,413
Reaction score
17,000
We've all seen Zeke's speed decline over the years. Look at some videos of him at Ohio State and you will wonder what happened to that guy.

I hate for the Cowboys to cut Zeke but it's either that or eat his deal because there is no way he takes a big enough reduction in salary to justify his stats. I mean, if his deal was for only $9M a year he would still be over paid.

The Cowboys could draft a RB in the 3rd and get comparable production at a fraction of the cost. Use Zeke's money to plug a hole (or 2) and overall the team gets better.

He was never the same, old fellow, ever since he jumped into the Salvation Army kettle.
 
Last edited:

GimmeTheBall!

Junior College Transfer
Messages
36,413
Reaction score
17,000
he was a mistake the moment jason garret pushed to draft him. garrett was so behind the times in the game and jerry went along with it and doubled down on it. sad
zeke is an ongoing mistake that should have been let go once he went to cabo.
I agree Sequel Elliott is an ongoing mistake.
I disagree it was a mistake in drafting him. Some players just break down earlier.
 

DogFace

Carharris2
Messages
13,141
Reaction score
15,608
It’s over. We should’ve drafted Ramsey so the complaint department here could be upset at paying a CB big money.
 

phildadon86

Well-Known Member
Messages
21,812
Reaction score
31,119
Somewhere are "top speed" stats for players. NextGenStats?
Zeke's top speed on the field in 2016 was about 10% faster than later years. Around 22mph.
Zeke was a freak in 2016. A mortal since.
To be honest.

He was also a freak in 2017. Since his suspension is when I have seen his game decline. I dont know if that has anything to do with it obviously but since that suspension he isnt the same guy.
 

Pass2Run

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,870
Reaction score
12,220
I would draft RB Bjion Robinson if he's on board next year. I would even draft him in the first round.
He is elite and would be the best RB in the NFL day one.
I don't care how much you kick and scream this is a passing league. The Cowboys are only competitive with great RBs and Robinson is a deadly passing threat out of the backfield.

Dude lives in the apartments next door to me. A couple months back, he was outside with a videographer making a video. He looks scary **. As in, you would not want to pick a fight with that guy.
 
Top