CFZ Why an elite nose guard is almost as important as an elite QB

[CowboyRoy]

lol
Ask Dak and Rodgers what they think, after the middle of the SF Dline shut down their respective offenses.

Same concept applies to O-line. As we saw last season.

This is literally football 101, Roy. Come on man!

Hey, if you agree that 1 NT is almost as important as the QB, then thats your opinion. Im hoping you think that as I will ride you for years about it.

 

[starfan1]

Completely different conversation.

I don’t think it is but we all see things different

 

[starfan1]

Yep, none of it compares to the job of a QB.

Well you’re right but it is important to the other side of the ball which is important to overall team success

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don’t think it is but we all see things different

Your changing the subject completely.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well you’re right but it is important to the other side of the ball which is important to overall team success

Which again, is a completely different conversation.

 

[starfan1]

Your changing the subject completely.

Do you think the nose tackle position is important to stopping the run ?

 

[starfan1]

Which again, is a completely different conversation.

I guess I look at this differently than you. Yes qb is important for sure the most important position

I think the OP was making the case for the importance of stopping the run to get to the next level but it’s not an argument I want to waste much time on with you

I know how you get and you can be hard headed so I’ll just leave it

 

[xwalker]

Laziest based on what? He was defensive player of the year

Dontari Poe was a wow player in college and drafted 11th overall due to freakish size and athletic ability.

He had a few good seasons, but overall didn't live up to his draft status.
- He lacked consistent effort.
- He would show great effort on some plays and maybe even a few full games, but overall he had a lazy streak that limited his career.

Davis was in a heavy rotation in college that limited his snaps; however, despite that, he tended to let up if a play lasted longer than 3 seconds.
- His effort on run plays away from him was often near zero.
- It was common to see other defenders like DT Devonte Wyatt run past him to get involved on outside run plays and downfield tackles.

I'm certain he'll have some great plays/games and maybe a couple of great seasons, but overall he'll probably report to camp over-weight most season and end up with a Dontari Poe type career.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Dontari Poe was a wow player in college and drafted 11th overall due to freakish size and athletic ability.

He had a few good seasons, but overall didn't live up to his draft status.
- He lacked consistent effort.
- He would show great effort on some plays and maybe even a few full games, but overall he had a lazy streak that limited his career.

Davis was in a heavy rotation in college that limited his snaps; however, despite that, he tended to let up if a play lasted longer than 3 seconds.
- His effort on run plays away from him was often near zero.
- It was common to see other defenders like DT Devonte Wyatt run past him to get involved on outside run plays and downfield tackles.

I'm certain he'll have some great plays/games and maybe a couple of great seasons, but overall he'll probably report to camp over-weight most season and end up with a Dontari Poe type career.

Just because Poe was heavy and Davis is big doesnt make Davis a Poe comp ; Dontari Poe was 6’3 350 with a massive gut. Jordan Davis is 6’6 330 without the pot belly. He’s in about as good of shape as anyone at his 1-tech position…:

…a height/weight combo identical to Albert Haynesworth. Being in a rotation does not mean he has work ethic issues. It means Georgia is stacked at DT, which is why they still have the #1 DT In the country despite 2 1st round picks this year. What makes you believe he is going to show up overweight to training camp?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do you think the nose tackle position is important to stopping the run ?

100%.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I guess I look at this differently than you. Yes qb is important for sure the most important position

I think the OP was making the case for the importance of stopping the run to get to the next level but it’s not an argument I want to waste much time on with you

I know how you get and you can be hard headed so I’ll just leave it

His point was that the NT is ALMOST as important as the QB. Its not.

 

[KJJ]

You could have the greatest nose guard in NFL history and they’re not going to compare to an elite QB. Some of you should take up comedy.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Whos pounding the QB?

Parsons and co. It'll be particularly easier if we can get a NT to clog the middle forcing the QB to roll out.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Parsons and co. It'll be particularly easier if we can get a NT to clog the middle forcing the QB to roll out.

Exactly.......Its not the NT. Heck, Parsons is pounding the QB without a great NT.

NT is one of the least important positions on defense.

 

[TheCritic]

You could have the greatest nose guard in NFL history and they’re not going to compare to an elite QB. Some of you should take up comedy.

To be fair, Aaron Donald is a once in a generation player that is on par with elite QBs in terms of value. But he's definitely the exception not the rule.

 

[KJJ]

To be fair, Aaron Donald is a once in a generation player that is on par with elite QBs in terms of value. But he's definitely the exception not the rule.

Tremendous player but without real
good QB play he doesn’t have a championship. Case in point the 2018 Super Bowl with Jared Goff. QB is head and shoulders above any other position.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Exactly.......Its not the NT. Heck, Parsons is pounding the QB without a great NT.

NT is one of the least important positions on defense.

Except, you still need a strong push up the middle, or the QB might escape up the middle like Trubisky did in 2019. That's where the NT comes in. By pushing the middle, it destroys the pocket for the QB. By doing that, the rest of the defence can finish off the QB. As stated, Gaines, the Rams NT, allows Aaron Donald to have to only face an OT and maybe a tight end because Gaines deals with the center and guard. If Donald is having to take on the likes of Zach Martin and other such guards consistently, then he wouldn't be nearly as productive. That's why the NT is still very important. Oh, and Vita Vea absolutely destroys the interior for the Bucs, so the rest of that D can be that much deadlier. That's what a top NT can do for you. Basic football 101 there.

 

[kskboys]

Whoa there Seabiscuit. While I do agree of the importance of a nose guard "almost"as important as a quarterback is a bit of an overstatement, in my humble opinion of course offensive tackle, defensive end, wide receiver, cornerback, 3-tech and maybe safety will go before nose guards.

By no means am I trying to discount the value of nose guard play. I often thought we should take one in the third or fourth round instead of waiting for rounds 5th 6th and 7th. I just think that the aforementioned positions would have a higher priority and affect the game more.

The aforementioned positions are rendered much less effective w/o a good DLine/Oline. Unfortunately, Jerry thinks that way, and that's why we keep losing in the playoffs.

 

[kskboys]

Come on OP ..... Nobody ever won a Superbowl because they got a dominant Nose tackle.

The NT played a huge part in many super bowl wins. GB won a super bowl in 12 specifically because of NT BJ Raji, who caused two early picks that led to scores. One was a pick 6.

Cincy doesn't make the super bowl w/o Raji.

Rams D was terrible except when Ashaun was in there, so exactly what you said doesn't happen just happened.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The NT played a huge part in many super bowl wins. GB won a super bowl in 12 specifically because of NT BJ Raji, who caused two early picks that led to scores. One was a pick 6.

Cincy doesn't make the super bowl w/o Raji.

Rams D was terrible except when Ashaun was in there, so exactly what you said doesn't happen just happened.

Exactly, and the Bucs don't destroy the Chiefs without Vita Vea, who's obviously one of the top NTs in the league. Obviously, Vita Vea is a rare breed of NT, but he's a massive part of the Bucs D. Even the Cowboys had massive success in the 90s with our crop of NTs. Maybe it didn't outright win it for the Cowboys, but the defence likely isn't as deadly if not for the likes of Russell Maryland and Casillas.