Twitter: The Cardinals Just Made Kyler Murray The Second Highest Paid QB Per Year

[RustyBourneHorse]

Rams has done more than other teams, they have sacrificed #1 draft picks to bring in star talent, I agree Stafford was 1 but not the only 1 you can pretend all you want that he took that team to the champion all by himself but that would be a flat out lie. Hell Goff got them to a SB why? Because they are loaded with talent and have added a several other players by giving up picks to get them.

Exactly, and that's the other thing. The Joneses rely pretty much solely on the draft. When is the last time they made a free agent signing where you thought "Wow! They're really going for it this year"?

 

[Ranched]

That's because he's "elite". Look at all those playoff wins! Go on the Cardinals forums @PAPPYDOG along w/all the other whiners which won't be mentioned being Pappydog is head of the Dak Prestige Haters club. All your posts would actually be legit!

Exactly, and that's the other thing. The Joneses rely pretty much solely on the draft. When is the last time they made a free agent signing where you thought "Wow! They're really going for it this year"?

We're STILL waiting for that "big Jerry splash".... shower not included.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I'm not trying to diminish Stafford. I'm just pointing out that there's a difference between what Stafford has to work with, especially when it comes to coaching.



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Dak would not have won a Super Bowl on that Rams team for the simple fact that the Rams didn't have a dominant run game to lean on.

Do you know that in Dak's career we've only won 6 games where we didn't have 100 rushing yards?

The Rams didn't have 100 rushing yards in the Divisional, Conference, or Super Bowl rounds last year.

Stafford though threw for 986 yards and 7 TDs in those 3 games.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly, and that's the other thing. The Joneses rely pretty much solely on the draft. When is the last time they made a free agent signing where you thought "Wow! They're really going for it this year"?

I really see no team out there giving up #1 picks at the rate the Rams have done so. Not saying it is bad or good, there are risk involved

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Dak would not have won a Super Bowl on that Rams team for the simple fact that the Rams didn't have a dominant run game to lean on.

Do you know that in Dak's career we've only won 6 games where we didn't have 100 rushing yards?

The Rams didn't have 100 rushing yards in the Divisional, Conference, or Super Bowl rounds last year.

Stafford though threw for 986 yards and 7 TDs in those 3 games.

I understand that aspect, and having a run game isn't a bad thing in Dak's case. Here's another thing to look at. Do you not think Sean McVay would have adjusted the team's midseason acquisitions to fit that? Let's not forget, the Rams have a pretty good back. If Dak needed a run game, McVay likely would've given him one.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak would not have won a Super Bowl on that Rams team for the simple fact that the Rams didn't have a dominant run game to lean on.

Do you know that in Dak's career we've only won 6 games where we didn't have 100 rushing yards?

The Rams didn't have 100 rushing yards in the Divisional, Conference, or Super Bowl rounds last year.

Stafford though threw for 986 yards and 7 TDs in those 3 games.

That is your take but it is a hypothetical Dak did not go to the Rams and that is were the fairy tale ends. Claiming what he would have done or would not do is nothing but your own bias. I can't say he would have won or lost because it never happened. Great things with hypotheticals is the results are what you want them to be.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I really see no team out there giving up #1 picks at the rate the Rams have done so. Not saying it is bad or good, there are risk involved

And I'm highly opposed to giving up 1sts unless the player is 100% worth it and is better than the draftable options. I'm just saying, in terms of FAs, we don't even do that. Von Miller was willing to play for less than he got in Buffalo if Jerry offered it. Yet, we didn't. That'd have been an easy signing there.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I understand that aspect, and having a run game isn't a bad thing in Dak's case. Here's another thing to look at. Do you not think Sean McVay would have adjusted the team's midseason acquisitions to fit that? Let's not forget, the Rams have a pretty good back. If Dak needed a run game, McVay likely would've given him one.

Sure, but McVey is a QB guy.

He would have made adjustments, but you're always going to be very limited in what you can do when Dak is your QB. That was the problem with Goff and that's why he dumped him as soon as he could.

I don't think a run game is that easy to just implement when your offense is built to be a passing attack.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Sure, but McVey is a QB guy.

He would have made adjustments, but you're always going to be very limited in what you can do when Dak is your QB. That was the problem with Goff and that's why he dumped him as soon as he could.

I don't think a run game is that easy to just implement when your offense is built to be a passing attack.

Guess what serves as an extension of a running game, screen passes, which is something McVay likes to do. That said, these are hypotheticals. However, I think that McVay would have used screen passes in that way.

 

[Ken]

No, it doesn't. They're are 4-5 quarterbacks who deserve big contracts because they can often carry teams on their shoulders when needed.

Dak isn't one of them. The team carries him.

So what happened in 2020?

I'll wait.

 

[Flamma]

Agreed! Don't let the eye test fool you. You just stated the facts!

 

[Ken]

Remember, Kyler's extension doesn't start until 3 years from now. The cap will be much higher. Dak's contract is right now. And no, it doesn't look better.

Remember, KM has no playoff wins and a 40 qb rating in the playoffs.

Remember, KM was a first overall pick and was paid a ton.

Remember, Dak has outperformed him on a 4th round pick contract.


Remember....

 

[Ken]

Of course it looks better each year if you compare it to deals made now. Thats just stupid to do.

Oh, really? So it keeps going up every time a qb is resigned?

Go figure. Ya, really stupid.

 

[Flamma]

I wonder how much Hurts will get next offseason if he plays well next season. I bet he will get Dak money, maybe more.

He may do well. But it won't be passing from the pocket. He is limited in that regard. He may do well with running and quick high percentage passes, and the team may be good enough to have success as a result. Then I wish they paid him top dollar. He's probably going to want top dollar.

It's almost like these QBs have a pact. DO NOT take less than market value from the team that drafted you. I can't remember the last one that did. They either get market value or go elsewhere for less. They never play for the team that drafted them for less money.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Guess what serves as an extension of a running game, screen passes, which is something McVay likes to do. That said, these are hypotheticals. However, I think that McVay would have used screen passes in that way.

This is exactly why a coach like McVey would never have a QB like Dak.

You have to limit what you can do with Dak at QB.

When you have a QB that has the abilities of Stafford you can do much, much more.

 

[Ken]

Another teams mistakes should not make you feel better about the Cowboys mistakes.

You only pay top dollar for top talent, not because "it's their turn to get paid".

So your solution is to let a top 10 qb go bc of money and use all your assets to get in position to draft a #1 overall pick to get a guy like Kyler #1 overall?

Sound strategy there bud.

 

[phildadon86]

2023 class is loaded with Qbs. There may be 12 or more NFL caliber guys in this draft

LOL. Yeah. 12 QBs from this draft will be NFL starters.

You are out of your mind.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

This is exactly why a coach like McVey would never have a QB like Dak.

You have to limit what you can do with Dak at QB.

When you have a QB that has the abilities of Stafford you can do much, much more.

Maybe, but you know who else would probably like to coach Dak? Bruce Arians, who won the SB the year before. It does help Brady when you have a running game, like what they have with Fournette. Oh, and Belichick probably would do backflips to have Dak.

 

[erod]

So what happened in 2020?

I'll wait.

You mean when the entire team was hurt?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So your solution is to let a top 10 qb go bc of money and use all your assets to get in position to draft a #1 overall pick to get a guy like Kyler #1 overall?

Sound strategy there bud.

Dak and Murray aren't top 10 QBs.

You should always be trying to upgrade the most important position on the team, not hitching your wagons to QBs outside of the top 10.