Twitter: Spags report Joseph cleared by police

[CowboyRoy]

If you actually listen to Watson's accusers, there definitely are some credibility problems with all or almost all of them.

I was ready to jump on the Watson-hate until I actually listened to the evidence myself. I have no doubt the guy is a dirtbag, but all the women I've heard about had choices to leave, and just didn't. Several came back after they were "assaulted." There wasn't any force. He threw his clout around. And he acted like a total pervert behind closed doors, but from what I see these allegations are about money. And Watsons' lawyer is going after Watson with inductive reasoning rather than deductive: he thinks the more accusations, the better. If even one of them was credible, you don't need 21 accusers. In fact, you wouldn't want any of them to taint your case for the one who has a good case. But I haven't seen a single one with a truly credible case against Watson.

And that's exactly why he wasn't charged.

To arrest him, all they need is probable cause. That truly means 50.00001% or higher that he's guilty of a crime. But law enforcement didn't even have probable cause.. or slightly better than a coin toss of a chance to pin charges on him.

So, I don't see why he should be suspended if he hasn't been charged unless he violated a conduct policy with the league, which I'm unfamiliar with. Still, I don't think the league should police players. They're obviously doing it for their image. Leave this up to the teams.

Talking about Zeke, not Watson.

 

[Hagman]

Correct.

Both, actually. More than one argue in favor of what I'm saying.

But nobody is considering that even league punishment would equate to the league telling players they don't have the same legal rights and Constitutional protections when they become players. And I ultimately don't think that argument holds water in the end, when all is said and done.

The below article is not me, but it's written by a legal scholar. I only know this stuff because I work with attorneys and officers and have become good friends over time, so we talk a lot since most people don't really enjoy this stuff.

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I am a legal scholar, so when I learned that the Supreme Court will decide two right-to-silence cases this term the Maynard case came to mind.

The Maynard decision was not the first time the court ruled in favor of a Jehovah’s Witness’ right to be silent. Both decisions hinge on the justices’ determination that the First Amendment includes, in the court’s words, the right “to avoid becoming a ‘mobile billboard’ for the State’s ideological message.”

It may sound contradictory to say the right to be silent flows from the right to speak, but it is not.

The First Amendment protects a person’s right to convey his own message, to voice her own ideas and not to be compelled to publicly disclose personal beliefs and associations. When the government tries to compel a person to speak its message, these rights are seriously damaged.

The right to free speech is likewise violated when people are required to associate themselves with an idea with which they disagree.

LINK: Supreme Court to rule on your First Amendment right to silence (theconversation.com)

That involves one’s right not to advocate a certain position or stance. That is a first amendment concern. I was responding to your statement involving self incrimination, which is based on the fifth amendment.

 

[Pass2Run]

That’s what I thought. You can shut your trap now.

You thought?

Or someone told you what and how?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Thanks.

The irony here is that you've displayed the most extreme levels of Dunning-Kruger since this began.

It'd be nice if you let some of us who don't have our minds made up about the wrong things have an actual discussion.

You've already demonstrated you can't sit at the adults' table to discuss this topic.

It's OK. I don't know anything about a lot in the world. The difference is I also don't pretend that projecting my moral compass onto others is a substitute for true knowledge.

You would be chirping...let me correct...crying for justice if that young murdered man was your son. I GUARANTEE YOU WOULD!!! So quit your BS'ing already.

PS: Take your Dunning-Kruger and shove it.

 

[Pass2Run]

That involves one’s right not to advocate a certain position or stance. That is a first amendment concern. I was responding to your statement involving self incrimination, which is based on the fifth amendment.

And I agree with you.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying though. I'm not trying to get caught up in the legalese. I'm just saying that remaining silent is Constitutionally protected. You're right that Miranda v. Arizona connects to the Fifth Amendment. But I'm simply talking about his right to remain silent, which is probably protected by more than one amendment 1st, 4th, 5th, 14th.. that's why it's unreasonable to think that simply not saying anything in this case or failing to contact police right away was ever a crime in the first place.

 

[Pass2Run]

You would be chirping...let me correct...crying for justice if that young murdered man was your son. I GUARANTEE YOU WOULD!!! So quit your BS'ing already.

PS: Take your Dunning-Kruger and shove it.

I advocate for justice almost daily, including for those wrongly murdered . . . but also for people wrongly accused by hasty, angry individuals (who don't have their facts straight) with their pitchforks in hand, ready to lynch someone just for being the car with someone.

Your high horse schtick and is nauseating.... I'm still waiting for it to don on you that you're projecting.

 

[Brax]

What personal conduct policy did he violate. I did not know that snitching violates the code of conduct. I think the league will get him for something but I am interested in seeing how they get him when he was the only witness that the league will actually interview.

Being in a fight that the guy was later murdered, with him in the car, that will do it.

 

[Brax]

What personal conduct policy did he violate. I did not know that snitching violates the code of conduct. I think the league will get him for something but I am interested in seeing how they get him when he was the only witness that the league will actually interview.

Here you go easy to understand
All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.”This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.

 

[slick325]

Good to hear. Now I hope he makes a big leap in year 2 similar to what Trevon Diggs was able to do.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I advocate for justice almost daily, including for those wrongly murdered . . . but also for people wrongly accused by hasty, angry individuals (who don't have their facts straight) with their pitchforks in hand, ready to lynch someone just for being the car with someone.

Your high horse schtick and is nauseating.... I'm still waiting for it to don on you that you're projecting.

You're a joke.

Like I said, if it was your son murdered in cold blood on the evening he went out to celebrate his college graduation, you would want everyone involved in the beating and in the vehicle from hence the drive-by shooting was committed to be sent to prison. If you didn't, your fatherhood would certainly be in question.

 

[baltcowboy]

Being in a fight that the guy was later murdered, with him in the car, that will do it.

Maybe but plenty of players got into a fight and did not get suspended. I remember one of our defensive linemen was in an all out brawl and nothing happened. Kamara supposedly will get suspended for fiasco in Vegas so maybe your on to something.

 

[Brax]

Maybe but plenty of players got into a fight and did not get suspended. I remember one of our defensive linemen was in an all out brawl and nothing happened. Kamara supposedly will get suspended for fiasco in Vegas so maybe your on to something.

I don’t know the outcome but it’s a combination of everything involved they will look at. No matter what happens hopefully the young man takes this as wake up call and doesn’t take as long as pac man Jones to figure it out.

 

[Pass2Run]

Being in a fight that the guy was later murdered, with him in the car, that will do it.

Happens dozens of times a night in bar districts like that. At this point, the police appear ultra-concerned about the squabble before the shooting...

Anyway, sarcasm aside, my guess is that (only a guess), at that point, when the fight first happened, nobody in KJ's posse was armed. It was likely only after they got into the vehicle that guns were drawn, and police never arrested Joseph after interviewing the suspects in the car.

You think police in Dallas are in a hurry to just let a guy like Joseph skate, if they really had anything? No telling what else they have on other cameras.

All anyone outside of the department and local court system knows is what the police and media are telling us. But the fact they never arrested him after arresting two other suspects says he wasn't involved to the extent they felt he committed a crime.

The bigger problem is . . . comparing a fist fight to murder, even if you repeat it a thousand times, doesn't make it murder.

 

[baltcowboy]

Here you go easy to understand
All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.”This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.

What did he do wrong? You are saying he should be suspended for not turning the shooters in. Joseph is going to say his life was endanger. If he told. Let’s see how the league reacts to that.

 

[baltcowboy]

True. Half like for criminals not to be punished.

Wait until it affects them or theirs. That's when they see the light.

This Watson case is going to be the real test.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here you go easy to understand
All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.”This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.

The personal conduct policy is intentionally vague so they can reprimand any player for anything.

I would say there's a decent chance he's suspended because having any association at all with a murder looks bad. The players agreed to the terms. Bargain for different terms next time, I guess.

 

[baltcowboy]

I don’t know the outcome but it’s a combination of everything involved they will look at. No matter what happens hopefully the young man takes this as wake up call and doesn’t take as long as pac man Jones to figure it out.

Well the league can now move to action because he has been cleared. We should know by the beginning of the season.

 

[Pass2Run]

You're a joke.

Like I said, if it was your son murdered in cold blood on the evening he went out to celebrate his college graduation, you would want everyone involved in the beating and in the vehicle from hence the drive-by shooting was committed to be sent to prison. If you didn't, your fatherhood would certainly be in question.

Man, if you only knew what I've been through and the journey I never wanted to take because of busy bodies with your attitude, and the havoc it caused you'd have some insight into just how ironic some of your position on this really is . . . It's usually necessary to make logical assumptions, but when you make an assumption without any illogical basis, well, you know what they say.

I don't get the vibe that you're all that enthusiastic about introspection or tempering emotion with reason, and that's OK, so, trust me, I well-know that arguing with you on this topic is a dead-end. Applaud me for learning that much in life.

I apologize. I was just trying to paint the picture more accurately for those who may or may not care.

 

[Brax]

Happens dozens of times a night in bar districts like that. At this point, the police appear ultra-concerned about the squabble before the shooting...

Anyway, sarcasm aside, my guess is that (only a guess), at that point, when the fight first happened, nobody in KJ's posse was armed. It was likely only after they got into the vehicle that guns were drawn, and police never arrested Joseph after interviewing the suspects in the car.

You think police in Dallas are in a hurry to just let a guy like Joseph skate, if they really had anything? No telling what else they have on other cameras.

All anyone outside of the department and local court system knows is what the police and media are telling us. But the fact they never arrested him after arresting two other suspects says he wasn't involved to the extent they felt he committed a crime.

The bigger problem is . . . comparing a fist fight to murder, even if you repeat it a thousand times, doesn't make it murder.

I am not saying anything except what the NFL looks at. Read all the posts involved

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

The best part of this is now, as a snitch, he can kiss his rap “career” goodbye.