Re-evaluating Jimmy Johnson

[TheCritic]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

 

[Runwildboys]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

In Jimmy's A Football Life , he stated that he didn't plan to stay long, basically saying he didn't leave because of Jerry.

I think he could have kept the winning going, had he chosen to stay, at least for a couple more years. I think we would have had 4 in a row.

 

[jwitten82]

In Jimmy's A Football Life , he stated that he didn't plan to stay long, basically saying he didn't leave because of Jerry.

I think he could have kept the winning going, had he chosen to stay, at least for a couple more years. I think we would have had 4 in a row.

Then what's their beef with each other? Or at least Jerry's beef, Jimmy has seemed to move on

 

[Ranching]

Jimmy was great, but he couldn't have done what he did without Jerry....he wanted the praise, but the guy that signed his checks did too.....he didn't know his place and went on to crash and burn with the dolphins. His college ways would not have been effective much longer. Coaching winners, heroes and with the salary cap....he did the right thing and left when he did.
Barry did a great job....it's not easy coaching a great team with all of those inflated egos.

 

[Runwildboys]

Then what's their beef with each other? Or at least Jerry's beef, Jimmy has seemed to move on

I think the way it went down, with Jimmy clowning Jerry at that dinner, then Jerry's comment about how many coaches could lead them to a SB is what caused the rift.

 

[Diehardblues]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

Switzer cost us at least 1 championship in 94. The lack of discipline we lost after Jimmy left was a huge difference as Troy often eluded to.

1996 is another season we could have made a deeper run. More discipline issues off the field that year. We still had our core talent to make another run.

And Jimmy leaving will always be on Jethro’s hand . You bow down to a back to back HC not buck heads with him. Our franchise has never fully recovered. It’s been a dysfunctional mess ever since .

 

[Diehardblues]

Then what's their beef with each other? Or at least Jerry's beef, Jimmy has seemed to move on

It’s obvious what the deal is. Jimmy deservedly still gets the credit for those championships . Jethro only gets credit for hiring the right guy and rubber stamping what he wanted.

Jethro isn’t interesting in winning if he can’t be the face of the franchise . He’s a laughing stock when it comes to football operations .

Jethro can’t stand Jimmy gets the credit .

 

[TheCritic]

Switzer cost us at least 1 championship in 94. The lack of discipline we lost after Jimmy left was a huge difference as Troy often eluded to.

1996 is another season we could have made a deeper run. More discipline issues off the field that year. We still had our core talent to make another run.

And Jimmy leaving will always be on Jethro’s hand . You bow down to a back to back HC not buck heads with him. Our franchise has never fully recovered. It’s been a dysfunctional mess ever since .

That's silly. Switzer didn't cost them the 94 NFC championship. An arrogant team that hadn't lost a playoff game in almost 3 years going against a team ready for revenge and peaking at the right time. That's what happened. 1996 Cowboys were a washed up team riddled with injuries.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's silly. Switzer didn't cost them the 94 NFC championship. An arrogant team that hadn't lost a playoff game in almost 3 years going against a team ready for revenge and peaking at the right time. That's what happened. 1996 Cowboys were a washed up team riddled with injuries.

That’s the worst analysis I’ve ever seen on how it transpired. An insult to our history.

You obviously didn’t read any excerpts from the players who often spoke about the lack of discipline after Jimmy left . Troy was very outspoken on it. Who’s account are you aligning with?

And 1996 were a better performance against Carolina to make championship game . The Irvin hotel road incident derailed what better chances we had there. Typical of the lack of discipline without Jimmy.

 

[fivetwos]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

More championships? That's tough to say, and probably not.

However, if you take a look at the players he drafted in the later rounds in Miami (Madison, Surtain, Taylor, Thomas, etc), if several of them were in Dallas, we may not have been as bad as we were there for a while, and the 98 and 99 teams would have had much more of a chance.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jimmy wins 4 straight maybe 5 straight championships. Barring key injuries to our key stars of course.

 

[glimmerman]

If your a HC in the NFL with a team winning like that and built like that you don’t leave unless your forced out. Not just ok I won 2 so I will move on. They both had big egos and I think wanted all the credit. Neither share and Jerry owns the team.

 

[Maxmadden]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

Might be an unpopular opinion, but one that is valid nontheless.

 

[Diehardblues]

Despite whether we would have won more championships or not the fact Switzer was the beginning of the Puppet era under Jimmy which to this day is still undermining this franchise ability for more success.

Jethro is only interested in winning his way. If he can’t be the Face of the franchise he doesn’t care. Damn him to hell and back.

 

[TheCritic]

That’s the worst analysis I’ve ever seen on how it transpired. An insult to our history.

You obviously didn’t read any excerpts from the players who often spoke about the lack of discipline after Jimmy left . Troy was very outspoken on it. Who’s account are you aligning with?

And 1986 were a better performance against Carolina to make championship game . The Irvin hotel road incident derailed what better chances we had there. Typical of the lack of discipline without Jimmy.

Actually it's the best analysis you ever read. Lack of discipline definitely became a factor, but for the first couple of seasons, Switzer's coaching style worked and it resulted in another Super Bowl championship.

 

[Diehardblues]

The one thing Jethro was right about is any 1 of 500 coaches could have walked the sidelines for the greatest roster in Cowboys history.

What he didn’t calculate is it would cost them at least one championship in 1994.

 

[Diehardblues]

Actually it's the best analysis you ever read. Lack of discipline definitely became a factor, but for the first couple of seasons, Switzer's coaching style worked and it resulted in another Super Bowl championship.

This is really sad . His style didn’t work. This is the most laughable depiction I have ever seen. Our talent was so far superior only a lack of leadership could derail it. We won despite the debacle.

This is the most blatant trolling I’ve seen in a long time . Right out of a Skippy Bayless or Stephen A disgusting show.

 

[john van brocklin]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

I think if Jimmy would have stayed one more year we would have won 4 straight super bowls.

 

[GINeric]

Actually it's the best analysis you ever read. Lack of discipline definitely became a factor, but for the first couple of seasons, Switzer's coaching style worked and it resulted in another Super Bowl championship.

Its hilarious to me how some people don't give Switzer his credit. That whole "it was Jimmy's team" thing has some validity to it, but it wasn't ALL him.

If that was the case he would have take the Dolphins to 2 or 3 Superbowls. Like you said, Switzer did a great job too!!

 

[Diehardblues]

Its hilarious to me how some people don't give Switzer his credit. That whole "it was Jimmy's team" thing has some validity to it, but it wasn't ALL him.

If that was the case he would have take the Dolphins to 2 or 3 Superbowls. Like you said, Switzer did a great job too!!

No HC has ever won a SB with another team . It was about the talent Jimmy assembled in Dallas . And it had some success despite the dysfunction after he left . But it would have had more success with him.