Re-evaluating Jimmy Johnson

[cowboyed]

You don't have to be a football coach to figure this one out. Anyone who has given 24/7 to a career and rebuilt businesses knows how much time and energy it takes out of you. It's soul draining. Look no further than Bill Parcells, Dick Vermeil, and several other great coaches who had to quit or move on from burnout. More power to the Landrys and Belichicks who could revitalize themselves for 2 decades, but most people need a change or breather.

Yes sir, totally agree.

 

[cowboyed]

Only Jimmy Johnson truly knows if he would have stayed longer, but I believe he would have stayed had it not been for the ego and need for attention and validation of a meddling owner. It was Jimmy's team; everyone knew it and no one questioned it.. Jimmy made all the key decisions involving player personnel - The Cowboys haven't been truly feared or dominant since Jimmy left. Jerruh W. Jones got his wish, he is the head man in charge and makes all the key decisions, but what has that gotten us in the last 26 years?? Every year that goes by, I'm more impressed with Jimmy's accomplishments.

You can bold all the text all you like and maybe even find a way to make it glow in neon but it doesn't change the facts. Jimmy Johnson did not have the same success with the Dolphins working with owner Wayne Huizenga as he did with the Cowboys working with Jerry Jones. And with the Dolphins Jimmy was also the general manager as well as head coach therefore he had more control on how to build the Dolphins and with so called less meddling.

It was easier to build a dominant team in the pre-salary cap and a very limited free agency era. And as far as what has gotten us in the last 26 years how do we know how well Jimmy would have gotten the Dolphins over the years after he quit head coaching in part after that humiliating loss in the playoffs to the Jaguars.

That stated Jimmy Johnson was an exceptional head coach and deserves all the platitudes and honor for what he accomplished for the Cowboys and to a lesser extent for the Dolphins.

 

[Bullflop]

Jerry isn't likely to reconsider Jimmy Johnson for any ROH designation. He's too devoted to being the same bitter old man that he's been for the ongoing decades that he and his damn bitterness cling to. Is there any hope for that to change? The signs seemingly don't suggest as much. Here's hoping a miracle revelation comes over Jerrah before his time on earth is up. Otherwise, "the curse" of Jimmy's slight might become eternal.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

This is such an idiotic thread made by people who were children in the 90s.

If Jimmy stayed 3 more years they would have 3 if not 4 SB wins in the 90s.

Questioning Jimmy is like the present day morons questioning Belichick.

 

[jterrell]

True


I don't know how much of a lesson he would have learned. At this point, people are grown. It's hard to change when patterns become engrained.
That's what I tell my students ... "You can cheat if you want to, but even if I don't catch you, you can't outrun your character, and your character is formed by the everyday things you do so much so that you think you'll be able to change when you need to, but you won't."

Fair for sure but missing the 1st quarter of a Super Bowl isn't exactly like sitting a kid for a quarter versus the little sisters of the poor.
Jimmy had this issue on the collegiate level as well.
He was a great coach but we also gotta be honest about the issues that arose in all his stops around off field behavior. --especially in context of praising his talent gets a pass philosophy.

 

[StarChamber_33]

You can bold all the text all you like and maybe even find a way to make it glow in neon but it doesn't change the facts. Jimmy Johnson did not have the same success with the Dolphins working with owner Wayne Huizenga as he did with the Cowboys working with Jerry Jones. And with the Dolphins Jimmy was also the general manager as well as head coach therefore he had more control on how to build the Dolphins and with so called less meddling.

It was easier to build a dominant team in the pre-salary cap and a very limited free agency era. And as far as what has gotten us in the last 26 years how do we know how well Jimmy would have gotten the Dolphins over the years after he quit head coaching in part after that humiliating loss in the playoffs to the Jaguars.

That stated Jimmy Johnson was an exceptional head coach and deserves all the platitudes and honor for what he accomplished for the Cowboys and to a lesser extent for the Dolphins.

Well, since you like bold text so much, enjoy.. It's interesting how the people that don't like Jimmy or are critical of him, always fall back on his stint with the Miami Dolphins as if that was the greatest coaching disaster of all-time lol. Granted he did not win a Super Bowl, but hell, he got them to the playoffs 3-years.. Bill Belichick wasn't great when he coached the Cleveland Browns but funny how you don't hear much about that.. My point is, if you are a real Cowboys fan or for that matter, a real football fan, and you can't appreciate what Jimmy gave to the game, I truly feel sorry for you.. "America's Team" as a franchise would only have 2 Super Bowl victories if it weren't for Jimmy Johnson. It's a scary thought, but it's the honest truth..

 

[cowboyed]

Well, since you like bold text so much, enjoy.. It's interesting how the people that don't like Jimmy or are critical of him, always fall back on his stint with the Miami Dolphins as if that was the greatest coaching disaster of all-time lol. Granted he did not win a Super Bowl, but hell, he got them to the playoffs 3-years.. Bill Belichick wasn't great when he coached the Cleveland Browns but funny how you don't hear much about that.. My point is, if you are a real Cowboys fan or for that matter, a real football fan, and you can't appreciate what Jimmy gave to the game, I truly feel sorry for you.. "America's Team" as a franchise would only have 2 Super Bowl victories if it weren't for Jimmy Johnson. It's a scary thought, but it's the honest truth..

I don't consider myself a critic of Jimmy. That is quite obvious despite you conveniently trying to fade out my positive comments about Jimmy when you were copying to reply. You can have an objective perspective of Jimmy, another head coach or even a player and still consider them exceptional. I just don't have a cult like devotion to Jimmy as you do.

Again Jimmy wanted more control and authority with the Dolphins and he got it by being their GM as well as head coach. He fell short of not only winning but also getting to the Super Bowl which is your gripe about Jerry Jones which comparatively is apples to oranges because Jerry does not have head coaching skills and Jimmy hasn't head coached for 20+ years. I am not a big fan of team family ownership that ventures into the football management positional trenches. Such as Jerry Jones not only being the owner but also GM, and Stephen Jones as not only being the Chief Financial Officer but also the Vice-president of Player Personnel. Over the years that has put us in a post season losing funk due to their little or no performance accountability and objectivity; being distracted by other major business ventures; and their lack of football empirical knowledge.

If you think re-bolding your text somehow will antagonize me you are sadly mistaken. It's childish and I am almost embarrassed for you.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Only Jimmy Johnson truly knows if he would have stayed longer, but I believe he would have stayed had it not been for the ego and need for attention and validation of a meddling owner. It was Jimmy's team; everyone knew it and no one questioned it.. Jimmy made all the key decisions involving player personnel - The Cowboys haven't been truly feared or dominant since Jimmy left. Jerruh W. Jones got his wish, he is the head man in charge and makes all the key decisions, but what has that gotten us in the last 26 years?? Every year that goes by, I'm more impressed with Jimmy's accomplishments.

Jerry has highly paid much lesser coaches to stay. If he had wanted Jimmy to stay, and acted accordingly, Jimmy would have stayed.

Anyone want to seriously argue that Jimmy didn't want a chance at an historic 3peat? A chance to be the greatest football coach of all time? "Nah! I'll pass!"

The asymmetry is that Jerry was going to get a chance at a 3peat *without* Jimmy, which would be much more appealing to a guy who wanted more *credit* for the team's success.

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is such an idiotic thread made by people who were children in the 90s.

If Jimmy stayed 3 more years they would have 3 if not 4 SB wins in the 90s.

Questioning Jimmy is like the present day morons questioning Belichick.

One botched game away from another SB appearance. 4peat was likely, given that they got it next year anyway.

 

[TheCritic]

I was hoping the mods would close this thread in respect to Jimmy Johnson and his deserving of being in the ROH. Had I known Jerry Jones was going to say the sniveling comments he did, I would have not started this thread.

Having said that, some of you really need to go do your homework of what went down. In 1993, this all started when Jimmy went to the press and expressed interest in coaching the Jacksonville Jaguars, a new expansion team at the time. Jimmy started the feud with Jerry and was already trying to undermine his contract and provoke Jerry into getting rid of him. Say what you want about Jerry being the meddlesome owner and I would agree with you, but make no mistake. Jimmy wanted out. He saw his coordinators leaving for coaching jobs that included general manager duties and naturally he wanted the same.

At the same time, Jimmy had been going hard at coaching for his entire adult life and was seriously burned out from the 18 hour work days and was really missing being in Florida and near the Keys. As the 1993 season was drawing near the end, he had to push the team even harder once they lost to the Commanders and yes they did go undefeated the rest of the season, but Jimmy gave it all he got to get to the finish line of a 2nd Super Bowl championship.

Once he hoisted that Lombardi trophy again, he knew that the task at hand, getting the Dallas Cowboys to a 3rd Super Bowl, as attractive as that might sound, was outweighed by the reality. A team that was at the beginnings of being ravaged by free agency, the beginning of the salary cap era. A team that was dominated by superstars that were partying, players taking their success for granted. A league that was catching up to the success of the Cowboys. Jimmy no longer had the advantage of having first hand knowledge of the college players that he once had - meaning from 89 to 93 how many players did Johnson draft because he either had players he had coached or coached against while at University of Miami.

All of these factors amount to overwhelming evidence that there was no way that Jimmy was ever going to stay in Dallas and a third Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson was ever going to happen. And there's nothing that could have or would have happened to prolong the inevitable.

All this talk from former players like Aikman, Irvin, Smith, etc. about winning more Super Bowls under Jimmy is pure fantasy talk.

 

[StarChamber_33]

I don't consider myself a critic of Jimmy. That is quite obvious despite you conveniently trying to fade out my positive comments about Jimmy when you were copying to reply. You can have an objective perspective of Jimmy, another head coach or even a player and still consider them exceptional. I just don't have a cult like devotion to Jimmy as you do.

Again Jimmy wanted more control and authority with the Dolphins and he got it by being their GM as well as head coach. He fell short of not only winning but also getting to the Super Bowl which is your gripe about Jerry Jones which comparatively is apples to oranges because Jerry does not have head coaching skills and Jimmy hasn't head coached for 20+ years. I am not a big fan of team family ownership that ventures into the football management positional trenches. Such as Jerry Jones not only being the owner but also GM, and Stephen Jones as not only being the Chief Financial Officer but also the Vice-president of Player Personnel. Over the years that has put us in a post season losing funk due to their little or no performance accountability and objectivity; being distracted by other major business ventures; and their lack of football empirical knowledge.

If you think re-bolding your text somehow will antagonize me you are sadly mistaken. It's childish and I am almost embarrassed for you.

While reading your boring and meandering post I almost fell asleep.. Now I can go to bed without a sleep aid tonight, well done snooze-fest.

 

[zrinkill]

This is such an idiotic thread made by people who were children in the 90s.

If Jimmy stayed 3 more years they would have 3 if not 4 SB wins in the 90s.

Questioning Jimmy is like the present day morons questioning Belichick.

Yea ...... This thread is just straight up silly defensive garbage for Jerry Jones

 

[cowboyed]

While reading your boring and meandering post I almost fell asleep.. Now I can go to bed without a sleep aid tonight, well done snooze-fest.

It's no surprise to me that you are football analytically posting on empty and what's left to contribute is snarky gibberish.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Jerry has highly paid much lesser coaches to stay. If he had wanted Jimmy to stay, and acted accordingly, Jimmy would have stayed.

Anyone want to seriously argue that Jimmy didn't want a chance at an historic 3peat? A chance to be the greatest football coach of all time? "Nah! I'll pass!"

The asymmetry is that Jerry was going to get a chance at a 3peat *without* Jimmy, which would be much more appealing to a guy who wanted more *credit* for the team's success.

I don't think Jimmy would have stayed long term but I do think he would have stayed a couple more years if Jerry didn't interfere. You just don't quit in the middle of greatness.

 

[terra]

I was hoping the mods would close this thread in respect to Jimmy Johnson and his deserving of being in the ROH. Had I known Jerry Jones was going to say the sniveling comments he did, I would have not started this thread.

Having said that, some of you really need to go do your homework of what went down. In 1993, this all started when Jimmy went to the press and expressed interest in coaching the Jacksonville Jaguars, a new expansion team at the time. Jimmy started the feud with Jerry and was already trying to undermine his contract and provoke Jerry into getting rid of him. Say what you want about Jerry being the meddlesome owner and I would agree with you, but make no mistake. Jimmy wanted out. He saw his coordinators leaving for coaching jobs that included general manager duties and naturally he wanted the same.

At the same time, Jimmy had been going hard at coaching for his entire adult life and was seriously burned out from the 18 hour work days and was really missing being in Florida and near the Keys. As the 1993 season was drawing near the end, he had to push the team even harder once they lost to the Football Team and yes they did go undefeated the rest of the season, but Jimmy gave it all he got to get to the finish line of a 2nd Super Bowl championship.

Once he hoisted that Lombardi trophy again, he knew that the task at hand, getting the Dallas Cowboys to a 3rd Super Bowl, as attractive as that might sound, was outweighed by the reality. A team that was at the beginnings of being ravaged by free agency, the beginning of the salary cap era. A team that was dominated by superstars that were partying, players taking their success for granted. A league that was catching up to the success of the Cowboys. Jimmy no longer had the advantage of having first hand knowledge of the college players that he once had - meaning from 89 to 93 how many players did Johnson draft because he either had players he had coached or coached against while at University of Miami.

All of these factors amount to overwhelming evidence that there was no way that Jimmy was ever going to stay in Dallas and a third Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson was ever going to happen. And there's nothing that could have or would have happened to prolong the inevitable.

All this talk from former players like Aikman, Irvin, Smith, etc. about winning more Super Bowls under Jimmy is pure fantasy talk.

Well reasoned and logical.
The comment about Jimmy no longer knowing the college talent first hand was another reason why his drafting at Miami was not all that.
There were a lot of factors that when looked at indicated what happened was truly inevitable; from Jimmy leaving to the steady deterioration of the Cowboys talent level.
As I said we were done in 95 and barely won that SB; no more would have happened no matter what. The only real bone of contention is 94; and the way I look at it is this: if Jimmy had stayed we might have had a better shot at winning in 94, but he would have been gone for sure after that year. The odds of Switzer being able to win it all in 95 were much less; thus we would have only won 3 no matter what since there is no way in the world that Jimmy would have stayed any longer.

 

[terra]

Blah blah blah. Jimmy was an excellent fixture when Jerry brought him in. Without either one of the two, no 3 Superbowl championships. Criticize them all you want. Let me remind you, they're BOTH in the NFL Hall of Fame.

and what has that to do with the basic argument of this thread? Jimmy was an excellent coach, no doubt of that. As regards Jerry, well time has shown him to be a good owner and a mediocre GM.
and both have ego's the size of Jupiter. So a massive clash and a separation was inevitable; it was just a question of when it would happen.