Heard this on the radio about Dan Quinn and penalties

[Dre11]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

 

[MarcusRock]

It's simple. Goodell hated the Seahawks that year but they still went out and won the Super Bowl anyway. Take that, Goodell!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

it’s the oline penalties that really kill the team.

 

[jazzcat22]

I just want to see less penalties the next PS game, though yes, a PS game, but let us see some improvement. Especially the mental mistakes.

 

[jazzcat22]

it’s the oline penalties that really kill the team.

Yes, as they negated some big plays and 1st downs.

 

[Jarntt]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

While I agree aggressiveness can lead to more penalties, It's not that simple to just make a choice between the two. You ideally want both if that is your style of play. You will give up some calls due to the trade off for being aggressive, but you need to look at each individual penalty to determine what the cause was. You can't just look at the total # of penalties and excuse it because you play an aggressive style of defense

 

[plymkr]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

I say keep being aggressive. I'd rather lose with aggressive play and knowing the guys are trying. We've lost for 20+ years with lackadaisical effort. So if I'm going to lose I'd rather lose with aggressive play than reactive players.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's simple. Goodell hated the Seahawks that year but they still went out and won the Super Bowl anyway. Take that, Goodell!

You joke, but I have it on good authority that Goodell had a voodoo doll of Pete Carroll that season.

Clealy he knew that Quinn would one day be a Cowboys coach.

 

[glimmerman]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

Keep going after them. That’s why we have more ints and turn overs than before.

 

[Desperado]

The #1 most called NFL Penalty is Offensive Holding. #2 is Offensive False Starts. It’s a huge drop off after that. I don’t think Dan has anything to do with our frequent penalties in those categories, but the coincidence of Dan being around these high marks is interesting.

 

[jazzcat22]

I say keep being aggressive. I'd rather lose with aggressive play and knowing the guys are trying. We've lost for 20+ years with lackadaisical effort. So if I'm going to lose I'd rather lose with aggressive play than reactive players.

Keep going after them. That’s why we have more ints and turn overs than before.

Yes, keep aggressive.
Sure there will be penalties. However, the more experience they get doing this, the penalties will or should decrease.

 

[phildadon86]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

Its not the defensive penalties I am worried about.

 

[DallasEast]

Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

If the unit becomes a dominant defense, I would choose aggressive and deal with the flags. Dominate defenses can overcome penalties by creating turnovers or stalling the other team's offensive drives enough to minimize number of scoring opportunities.

Have a roughing the passer flag on third down. 15 yards and first down. 1st and 10. Stuff the run on first down. 2nd and 9. Cover the hook pattern and put the receiver immediately on the ground. 3rd and 4. Pressure the quarterback to throw before he wants for an incompletion. Punt.

That's what dominant defenses do after incurring penalties. They do not let penalties beat them.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

I can live with the aggressive def calls. I hate the false start, ineligible wr, illegal formation and holding calls on Offense.

 

[Jimbo123]

Offensive Line 53
Defensive Back 35
Defensive Line 23
Unknown/Unset 10
Linebacker 8
Tight End 6
Wide Receiver 5
Runningback 1
Total 141

 

[AsthmaField]

To answer the question… yes, aggressive. I always like aggressive defense, even if it causes a few more penalties.

I promise you that the opposing offense would rather see a passive defense with no penalties, than an aggressive, in your face defense that gets some penalties.

 

[RodeoJake]

The Raiders in their glory days were always one of, if not the most, penalized teams. Teams that play aggressive and with a nasty attitude will get penalized. The question is; does that paradigm work in today's NFL?

 

[john van brocklin]

Kinda long but needed to setup the question. Now I'm not blaming Dan, because I feel it's on the players mental focus .
But a radi0 hist on 105.3 fan pointed out after researching was that each year Dan was the main DC on a team
Seattle 2 years (legion of boom) 1 year Here the team was number 1 in penalties. What I find interesting is they won a superbowl in Seattle ranking #1 in penalties. Went to the superbowl and was 12-5 here. Which leads to this, his defenses are very aggressive which Could lead to more flags, ( haven't did the research on if the defense lead the way in penalties or offense)
Here's the question if the aggressive style is the major culprit, what would you choose. Have a less aggressive defense or continue being the aggressive defense and live with the flags?

Great Post and Question.
It seems to me that the NFL is punishing teams for Physical play.
So maybe dial it back a little to a happy medium ?

 

[Dre11]

it’s the oline penalties that really kill the team.

Did you research it to see if that's the majority of the penalties or are they on offense.

 

[john van brocklin]

The Raiders in their glory days were always one of, if not the most, penalized teams. Teams that play aggressive and with a nasty attitude will get penalized. The question is; does that paradigm work in today's NFL?

No it does not, the NFL is really killing teams now for being aggressive.
Look at the bogus roughing the QB calls we got last game.