What's Funny to me about Rush vs Prescott

[jterrell]

what is funny is we beat the NY Giants when Dak has done that we get this crap of Oh it was just the Giants so somehow it don't count. Rush I was thrilled he and this team were able to pull a close hard fought game, when point in the game where the QB had to step up and make key plays Rush did just that. I'm not hearing as much of Oh it was just the Giants. Pro football every week counts regardless of who you are facing, that team is capable to pulling the upset. Been watching this game to long to act as if any win is meaningless

This is facts.
Dak dominates teams like this and then gets roasted for playing mediocre football versus elite teams in a loss.
Dak hasn't lost to the Giants in 5 years.

 

[USArmyVet]

This is facts.
Dak dominates teams like this and then gets roasted for playing mediocre football versus elite teams in a loss.
Dak hasn't lost to the Giants in 5 years.

Neither has Cooper Rush.

 

[Bagman]

Let me start out by saying that there is literally NOTHING that Cooper Rush does better than Dak Prescott. NOTHING. Lie to yourselves if you want to. Allow your biases against Dak to cloud your thinking all you want but there is nothing Rush does better. He plays within his own ability and doesn't try to do to much and manages to do just enough. That's his job. Yes, I give him props for that, he deserves it.

The funny thing to me is, the same people who are pumping up Cooper Rush are the people who saw him in training camp and in the preseason, who were screaming from the rooftops for Will Grier to be handed the backup QB job. That's not hilarious to anyone else? Yall think he's just a guy that turns it on with lights on?

So all of a sudden, Dak gets hurt, and Cooper Rush comes in and performs the role of a substitute teacher and we happen to win two games and now he's better? All he's been asked to do is follow the teacher's lesson plan and not let the kids burn down the classroom. THAT'S IT! We've scored two touchdowns in the last seven quarters and all of a sudden, he gives us a better chance to win. We lose these games easily if not for the defensive efforts we have gotten. Dak hangs 40 on that Giants team. Make it make sense. I got a BC powder for your eventual headaches.

Stop this ridiculousness.

For me personally, I think Rush is a little more of a film room rat and REALLY knows this offense. Dak is way more the playmaker. My hope is that Dak comes back firing on all cylinders and we can overtake the Eagles. This teams best chance of success in January is still Dak at 100%.

 

[Pass2Run]

Disagree completely. Dak Prescott has the higher ceiling and has better physical tools, but Cooper Rush has played the role of quarterback better in a small sample size. We can debate the why behind it, but it's pretty easy to look at how the offense ran down the back stretch of the season last year and three games Rush has started and see a difference. We could list a million reasons, from KM calling poor games, Dak pressing, Rush performing the basics better, etc, and to be honest it is probably a combination of all of them to some extent.

Last time Dak played the Giants the Cowboys put up 21 points and threw for about 230 yards so just to assume he has played to a point where he steps on the field and puts up 40k at will is just being a Dak homer. Not saying he can't, he has shown that he is capable, but recent Dak Prescott hasnt given us that type of production. And to be honest the Cowboys were a dropped pass and a blown PI call away from another 10 points Monday.

Dak and this offense carried this team through the New England game last season. After he came back it was a roller coaster and really was the defense that took over games. Dak hasnt been the "teacher" and Rush the "sub". Dak has been a very middle of the road QB his last 12 games, Rush has been the teacher. He has the physical skills of a typical backup QB, but he reads and reacts like a prime peyton manning.

I'm not saying Rush should be awarded the starting job after two weeks, but I will say the Cowboys should ride the hot hand the next couple weeks as long as they are winning with Rush. If teams adjust and Washington completely exposes him this week it isnt even a question about Rush vs Dak. If Rush looks really good this week and doesnt drop off against the Rams THEN I think we can have a more realistic conversation about him being better and needing to take over for Dak. Until then we need to tap the breaks. Mike White was the savior for the Jets last year until all of a sudden he wasn't. Teams have more film on Rush every week and how the Cowboys are scheming with him in the game. Ride the wave, and if success continues we can talk. Rush has been better than Dak has been in recent history, but dont be surprised as well if Rush ends up hitting a brick wall as teams adjust.

The biggest difference between Cooper Rush and Dak is that Cooper Rush reads the play better pre-snap.

From there, it's his game. Dak was unable to do that against the Bucs, and it stymied the entire offensive gameplan.

 

[CowboyFrog]

For me personally, I think Rush is a little more of a film room rat and REALLY knows this offense. Dak is way more the playmaker. My hope is that Dak comes back firing on all cylinders and we can overtake the Eagles. This teams best chance of success in January is still Dak at 100%.

exactly, again we are not wining anything with Rush or Dak playing bad..we all need to hope we get pre denver Dak back for a run. if Dak is cooked then we need to get another QB this offseason. Rush still will not be the answer.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Amazing the amount of energy and emotions of those that support Dak more than the Cowboys pour into these threads. They can't appreciate what Rush is doing to help Dallas win and instead of cheering for the franchise they attack those who would dare have questions about Dak or celebrate the Cowboys with anyone but Dak at QB.

It's truly amazing. We are talking a guy thats BLASTED for "no other team wanted him...he sucks more than anyone!". Calls to blow up the season.

And it's not like Dak was on fire against the Bucs. Was it "just a bad game"? Hard to say....but it's all we have for now.

Even now some of these guys can't give Coop any credit...or it's grudgingly. We should be flying high...instead we're still guarded...defensive. It's maddening.

 

[Pass2Run]

I don't, I'm using yours and other mess up logic. What I care about most is this team winning game. I fully support Rush and again I TAKE NO GAME FOR GRANTED, I don't buy into your BS that oh it is just the Giants. You guys do that crap Dak win oh they did not play anyone. So my comment as more about you and other critics. I Like Rush and yes I like Dak and fully expect him to return to the starting position when healthy.

Dooms is schooling those with an agenda here, I see.

Some of us don't care about your pro-Dak, anti-Dak agendas.

We just want to win with either guy, and we don't have to pick a side.

The defense is the heart and soul of this team. With them, anything is possible.

 

[Pantone282C]

I supported Dak, argued against his detractors for years, and hoped like hell he could learn to read defensive alignments better and/or hit passes more consistently. He puts up gaudy numbers, but it's like sugar water - empty calories that give you a buzz and leaves you feeling tired.
He and the team does not do well against the better teams when it counts.
I am tired of losing the games that matter. I have lost confidence in him leading the team.
Cowboys need a better QB. It may not be Rush, but he is getting the job done despite his supposed noodle arm. He has won 3 games as backup including last years' squeaker.
I hope the Cowboys win no matter who is at QB, and when Dak returns, I hope he gets it done. But I doubt it.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Cooper Rush is still the only Cowboys QB to lead us to a victory without 100 rushing yards of support since Andy Dalton in Week 15 of 2020.

The last time Dak did it was in 2019.

 

[Ken]

The bad giants team was supposed to be better than us...so.....what's up with this?

Maybe my sarcasm meter needs checked?

Anyone who thinks they are better than us watches the TV.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Dak isn’t an effective NFL QB right now. His slow read progression and horrid inaccuracy on crossing routes is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Proof]

That's what watching the game is for. Correlate what your eyes\brain is telling you versus what the stats say. We had the most takeaways in the league last year, right? That's extra possessions, short fields, spirit killers.

Nothing Anthony did (or was flagged for) would have any impact on the offenses complete inability to do anything against the Raiders.

gotcha. so extra possessions / short fields are responsible for blowouts, but having FOUR pass interference calls, all of them on third downs, with the final going for like 40 + yards and the game winning fg don’t have any impact. makes sense, i’m tracking now.

 

[McKDaddy]

gotcha. so extra possessions / short fields are responsible for blowouts, but having FOUR pass interference calls, all of them on third downs, with the final going for like 40 + yards and the game winning fg don’t have any impact. makes sense, i’m tracking now.

You know the point. The point is that just because a blowout occurred it doesn't automatically mean the offense was awesome. So don't throw out a score as proof any one player or group is solely responsible.

Also, the arguments about Dak blowing out the Giants are weak when you consider the Giants results against everyone. They only scored double digits three times in their last 8 games of 2021. With two of those being a whopping 10 points and one 21 point effort. So yes, most NFL teams could have put almost anyone at QB and beat them by a couple scores.

Regardless of how well other aspects of the team are doing, we need better QB play than we have been getting from #4.

 

[G2]

gotcha. so extra possessions / short fields are responsible for blowouts, but having FOUR pass interference calls, all of them on third downs, with the final going for like 40 + yards and the game winning fg don’t have any impact. makes sense, i’m tracking now.

Same as blaming him solely for the 9ers loss.

 

[75boyz]

Usually there's a pretty big gap in performance from starting QB to backup.

As the many other posts have attested to and I agreed with here, I find it hard to find what the starter does better.

It used to be his mobility.

Used to be.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Want to see the tables turn on Rush? Wait till his first loss!

And the thing is that it really wouldn't be Cooper Rush's fault, if the media and fanbase hype, leads to some starting to expect him to be able to do things which is beyond his abilities and talent as a QB. And then they get mad at him or turn on him, because they were the ones who hyped him up in their minds. And are the ones who decided to ignore how the offense went a whole half under Cooper Rush not being able to score until the last seconds where they got a FG.

If it weren't for Dak being polarizing among the Cowboys fanbase, I wonder if Cooper Rush would even be as hyped up as he is being right now or would he just be viewed as a serviceable backup QB who is doing the job he suppose to do as backup. Which is manage the game and not make costly mistakes while the starting QB is out.

 

[CowboyFrog]

And the thing is that it really wouldn't be Cooper Rush's fault, if the media and fanbase hype, leads to some starting to expect him to be able to do things which is beyond his abilities and talent as a QB. And then they get mad at him or turn on him, because they were the ones who hyped him up in their minds. And are the ones who decided to ignore how the offense went a whole half under Cooper Rush not being able to score until the last seconds where they got a FG.

If it weren't for Dak being polarizing among the Cowboys fanbase, I wonder if Cooper Rush would even be as hyped up as he is being right now or would he just be viewed as a serviceable backup QB who is doing the job he suppose to do as backup. Which is manage the game and not make costly mistakes while the starting QB is out.

Great post! Real football folks not looking for clicks on the internet or shenanigans on this site are not making this a big deal.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

All he's been asked to do is follow the teacher's lesson plan and not let the kids burn down the classroom.

LOL.....

 

[gimmesix]

Do you think Rush is better than Dak? Can we get you on record with that?

I refuse to put a ceiling on Cooper Rush. He just may very well be what this team needs, but I still need to see more evidence of it.

I think he's better at one thing than Dak, processing what's happening on the field. We've often seen Dak hold, pat or reset before throwing while Rush is quick and decisive with the ball. That's not to say that Prescott is bad at decision-making, reading defenses as some would like to believe, just that Rush seems to be better at it. One of the things defenses started doing last year when Dak was playing like one of the top QBs in the league to slow us down was to mix up their looks to try to convince Dak he was seeing one thing while they were actually doing something else. They would show a blitz and then bring four rushers, but it wouldn't be the four you'd typically expect. There were a lot fewer times after the Denver game where we would just see a typical four-man rush. There was a lot of bailing out of blitz looks to make Dak buy what was being shown only to have to throw into shell coverage.

The Giants were a good test for Rush's ability to handle that because they show a lot of looks and then don't do what's expected out of those looks. That's part of what has made Wink Martindale a great DC. Rush processed what they were actually doing very well. Some of that is preparation, of course, and I believe that Dak and Rush both equally put time into that. Some of that is football IQ, and I believe Rush's is very high.

The question really with the two QBs is whether a higher football IQ is more important than better physical ability. Frankly, I like a high IQ QB, but that doesn't mean I'd necessarily stick with Rush because there are some limitations with his physical skills that will catch up to us at some point (probably against the Rams). I would stick with him, though, until those limitations catch up with us because we are undefeated with him at QB. Give Dak time to recoup until Rush fails, then go back to him based on his higher level of physical ability.

 

[glimmerman]

Dak needs to chill. He seems to try to hard to prove he is worth the money or be that elite QB some thought he was after the 2016 season. That’s a hard thing to do. The Offense was set up to score. He just did what he needed to do.