What is the real reason for trading Amari Cooper?

TheMarathonContinues

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Ignoring that the defense carried this team to 6-2 is willful ignorance.
I’m not ignoring that. You are getting off track. The point is the offense didn’t have to put up points is what I’m getting at. The run game and defense was important with Rush making timely key throws. It wasn’t about producing stats it was about producing wins so yeah some guys stats took a hit.
 

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Coop didn't like who he was playing with, he never was happy with the Raiders either, maybe he becomes comfortable in Cleveland.
Coop wants an elite QB tossing him the rock, and holding a grudge now because he never will have one.

Are you saying Dak is better than DeShaun Watson?? By the way, Dak is not an elite QB.
 

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Are you saying Dak is better than DeShaun Watson?? By the way, Dak is not an elite QB.
The stuff you guys argue over…like really who cares if a guy is elite? I don’t think Rams fans care if Matt Stafford is elite especially when it’s a ridiculous title created by fans and media just to have a reason to argue with each other.
 

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Here’s a side question…who do you think earns their paycheck on the current roster?
This year? All of them. There is honestly not one player that I can say is underachieving. I may be forgetting someone….maybe Tolbert? But he’s a rookie.
 

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Your logic is flawed as evidenced by your argument. If the post-roster-move record is the barometer, then firing Jimmy didn't much matter as they had just as good record in 94 as they did in 93 (12-4) and made it to the NFCCG, then won another super bowl the following season. Parting ways with Jimmy was a terrible move, regardless of record. See how that works? My argument is centered on player personnel and not coaches.

Shipping off a top 7 WR for nothing is a monumentally terrible move, especially when your #2 WR is 6 months removed from ACL surgery.
Well you have to use nuance after that, it’s not a blanket argument. The impact of losing a player super valuable will be felt a hell of a lot sooner than losing a coach/GM. A coaches culture and a GM’s roster take a season or two to fade, a WR’s loss is felt immediately.

Regardless, I’m not here to argue whether we should’ve kept him or not. I’m just saying losing a WR on a team that is still immensely talented overall is nowhere remotely close to being the worse move ever. Aside from the team record just the position and circumstance is not even in the ballpark of being the worse ever.

WR’s come and go man. Culture setters and roster builders are tremendously more rare and impactful. If you honestly believe losing a Pro-Bowl, not All-Pro, WR is the worse move that this team has done then you’re on an island. I would say 0% of people would agree with you. Would love to see a poll.
 

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Well you have to use nuance after that, it’s not a blanket argument. The impact of losing a player super valuable will be felt a hell of a lot sooner than losing a coach/GM. A coaches culture and a GM’s roster take a season or two to fade, a WR’s loss is felt immediately.

I agree with you in general, especially WRT to coaches and GMs. BTW, any othet GM on earth would have gotten far more value for Cooper. And that's my argument.

Regardless, I’m not here to argue whether we should’ve kept him or not. I’m just saying losing a WR on a team that is still immensely talented overall is nowhere remotely close to being the worse move ever. Aside from the team record just the position and circumstance is not even in the ballpark of being the worse ever.

WR’s come and go man. Culture setters and roster builders are tremendously more rare and impactful. If you honestly believe losing a Pro-Bowl, not All-Pro, WR is the worse move that this team has done then you’re on an island. I would say 0% of people would agree with you. Would love to see a poll.

I agree with you in general, especially WRT to coaches and GMs. BTW, any other GM on earth would have gotten far more value for Cooper. And that's my argument.
 

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Well you have to use nuance after that, it’s not a blanket argument. The impact of losing a player super valuable will be felt a hell of a lot sooner than losing a coach/GM. A coaches culture and a GM’s roster take a season or two to fade, a WR’s loss is felt immediately.

I agree with you in general, especially WRT to coaches and GMs. BTW, any othet GM on earth would have gotten far more value for Cooper. And that's my argument.

Regardless, I’m not here to argue whether we should’ve kept him or not. I’m just saying losing a WR on a team that is still immensely talented overall is nowhere remotely close to being the worse move ever. Aside from the team record just the position and circumstance is not even in the ballpark of being the worse ever.

WR’s come and go man. Culture setters and roster builders are tremendously more rare and impactful. If you honestly believe losing a Pro-Bowl, not All-Pro, WR is the worse move that this team has done then you’re on an island. I would say 0% of people would agree with you. Would love to see a poll.

I agree with you in general, especially WRT to coaches and GMs. BTW, any other GM on earth would have gotten far more value for Cooper. And that's my argument.

That would be a good poll. I wish someone would do it, I don't know how.
 

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I agree with you in general, especially WRT to coaches and GMs. BTW, any other GM on earth would have gotten far more value for Cooper. And that's my argument.

That would be a good poll. I wish someone would do it, I don't know how.
I don’t disagree with you there. Once they badmouthed him publicly they tanked his trade value. Just don’t see the need for hyperbole lol there have been much more impactful moves than losing Amari. It’s not like he’s a top 5 or All-Pro WR.
 

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Amari Cooper is clearly a talented NFL wide receiver. He has size, speed, and superior route running ability. So why have both the Raiders and the Cowboys cut ties with him after 3-1/2 seasons in each location?

The missed trade for Brandon Cooks, and the potential signing of Odell Beckham, Jr. means that it wasn’t money that drove the decision to part with Cooper. Both players will command salaries similar to Cooper.

From the outside looking in, it appears that Amari has always been the consummate professional in how he handles himself with fans and the media. So it is a bit baffling that he has only had a shelf life of about 42 months in each location prior to being traded a second time to the Browns for only a 5th round pick.

The reality is that although offensive production is down in Dallas this year, we don’t know how much of that to attribute to the loss of Cooper. The injury to Dak, and the renewed commitment to running the football have also contributed to the lower overall production through the first 8 games.

Frankly, I’m left wondering what it is about Cooper that we don’t know.
Of course it was the money.
He wasn't living up to his contract...or there was that perception. That's the bottom line. It's always about the money.....vs performance.
 
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English? Sanity?
Abrams was the player that the Raiders drafted with the pick from the Cowboys traded for Cooper. He was released recently and now is a Packer. Sorry English teacher, I didn’t realize posting on this board you would red pen me.:laugh:
 

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Jerry Jones gets input from the coaches, other front office people, and the players.

That's a far cry from your claim that ‘the coaches and players didn’t want him here”.
 

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This year? All of them. There is honestly not one player that I can say is underachieving. I may be forgetting someone….maybe Tolbert? But he’s a rookie.

Ok, so basically you just didn’t like Cooper.

So you’re cool with MG and how he’s living up to his contract?
 

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I thought Amari compromised his sacred cow status after his personal covid beliefs and then the public mention of lack of targets.
After that, it was as though Jerry had issues with his personal trust of him. Because everyone knows you can't ever imply anything is the fault of Jerry's QB.

I mean, only Jerry is allowed to say publicly his QB is in a slump and keep his job, lol.
 
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