Creating a case for TE at 26 - Kincaid

[Stash]

Yea, I mean I don’t think this dude as Kelce but I’ve seen Ertz as a comp. We need guys that can create mismatches and finish. Aka not drop balls in the endzone and tip passes to opposing DBs.

I think he can be that dude. Again, I’d want to see a lot of other stuff happen and see us shore up WR2 before the draft but there def is a scenario where I could like this pick.

Me, I see so many other positions where we could us help more. I like our young group of TE’s.

I like other position groups a lot less.

 

[John813]

Fant was more of a traits pick though so not sure that’s a good comp. Never should gotten drafted in the 1st.

Kincaid is a way, way cleaner prospect as an actual receiving TE.

In 8 games he did post a 39-519-7 stat line. But I'd say college wise Kincaid had a better record/looks better as a receiving TE.

Guess what strikes me about Tight ends is that a lot of very good ones are taken in day 2/3. Obviously, there's busts mixed in there as well, but I just don't see the value early on with Kincaid vs another TE later in the draft. Every rookie TE will struggle blocking, and Dallas ran a lot of 2TE packages last year, but I guess I'm just not sold on Kincaid the prospect in the first. Day 2, yes, even with a trade up.

Just stuck in a mindset that they could get a quality DL in that range and then still a good TE prospect in the 2nd.

 

[Stash]

1000 yards as a rookie seems good, but I guess we have different standards.

It is good. No argument there.

 

[Stash]

Many passed on Kelce due to character concerns, wasn't he a 4th rd pick?

3rd.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yea, I mean I don’t think this dude as Kelce but I’ve seen Ertz as a comp. We need guys that can create mismatches and finish. Aka not drop balls in the endzone and tip passes to opposing DBs.

I think he can be that dude. Again, I’d want to see a lot of other stuff happen and see us shore up WR2 before the draft but there def is a scenario where I could like this pick.

Say we sign OBJ, add an elite TE, then add another receiver via the draft. Perhaps, MM actually uses Pollard in the passing game. This offense would be plenty explosive.

 

[cnuball21]

Me, I see so many other positions where we could us help more. I like our young group of TE’s.

I like other position groups a lot less.

Fair enough.

I see offensive weapons as the biggest need on our team if we want to get over the hump in the NFC.

I like Ferguson and think he’s still get a ton of snaps considering how often we run 2 TE sets.

 

[AsthmaField]

Atlanta drafting Kyle Pitts and then using him the way they did is criminally insane. They should be forced to let him go to a team that knows how to use him.

Even with Atlanta misusing Pitts so bad, he still had over 1000 yards as a rookie. He is special.

The thing with many first round TE’s is that teams look for guys with elite athletic testing numbers, and many times they are guys with huge upside but less than ideal actual production in college.

Guys like Njoku, OJ Howard, and Noah Fant. Those guys are rare athletes but not really good TE’s. That, IMO is a big reason why some failed to make an impact. They just are great athletes… not great football players.

TE is a difficult position to play in the NFL,,, you need to take guys that have already played it at a high level. Guys like Pitts (who will be great) and TJ Hockenson played well in college and they came into the league being able to play the position.

So, for me, if I’m going to use a high pick on a TE, I need to see a highly productive college career with enough athleticism to be able to still flourish in the NFL. The mind is such an important part of playing TE. Instincts, angles, leverage… all things a TE needs, that should be there in college.

That is why I still hesitate with Washington, even though I love his build, athleticism and dominant blocking.

It is also why I would be all in on Kincaid. He has demonstrated everything you want to see in a TE… and frankly, he’s done it at such a high level and moves and catches the ball so well, that I have zero concern about him being anything other than a really good NFL player.

If Dallas picks him, Kincaid will help the team right away, IMO and will be a very valuable piece of what Dallas does next year.

I just tend to stay away from guys like Njoku. I am drawn to guys like Kincaid.

JMO

 

[cnuball21]

Say we sign OBJ, add an elite TE, then add another receiver via the draft. Perhaps, MM actually uses Pollard in the passing game. This offense would be plenty explosive.

You just recreated my scenario in the OP.

My dream.

 

[Gaede]

I don't love it, but it would make sense only IF we get another receiver in free agency. We simply cannot line up with Gallup and Tolbert or Brown as 2 and 3 receivers.

 

[John813]

Atlanta drafting Kyle Pitts and then using him the way they did is criminally insane. They should be forced to let him go to a team that knows how to use him.

Even with Atlanta misusing Pitts so bad, he still had over 1000 yards as a rookie. He is special.

The thing with many first round TE’s is that teams look for guys with elite athletic testing numbers, and many times they are guys with huge upside but less than ideal actual production in college.

Guys like Njoku, OJ Howard, and Noah Fant. Those guys are rare athletes but not really good TE’s. That, IMO is a big reason why some failed to make an impact. They just are great athletes… not great football players.

TE is a difficult position to play in the NFL,,, you need to take guys that have already played it at a high level. Guys like Pitts (who will be great) and TJ Hockenson played well in college and they came into the league being able to play the position.

So, for me, if I’m going to use a high pick on a TE, I need to see a highly productive college career with enough athleticism to be able to still flourish in the NFL. The mind is such an important part of playing TE. Instincts, angles, leverage… all things a TE needs, that should be there in college.

That is why I still hesitate with Washington, even though I love his build, athleticism and dominant blocking.

It is also why I would be all in on Kincaid. He has demonstrated everything you want to see in a TE… and frankly, he’s done it at such a high level and moves and catches the ball so well, that I have zero concern about him being anything other than a really good NFL player.

If Dallas picks him, Kincaid will help the team right away, IMO and will be a very valuable piece of what Dallas does next year.

I just tend to stay away from guys like Njoku. I am drawn to guys like Kincaid.

JMO

Great post and you are one of many that make this draft/forum great.

What's your thoughts on LaPorta.
He was someone I was liking early on in the process.
From Iowa, TE churning college, and seemed to have back to back good years to end his career there.

Didn't expect him to test as well as he did, and his combine is nearly identical to Kittle.

 

[cnuball21]

Atlanta drafting Kyle Pitts and then using him the way they did is criminally insane. They should be forced to let him go to a team that knows how to use him.

Even with Atlanta misusing Pitts so bad, he still had over 1000 yards as a rookie. He is special.

The thing with many first round TE’s is that teams look for guys with elite athletic testing numbers, and many times they are guys with huge upside but less than ideal actual production in college.

Guys like Njoku, OJ Howard, and Noah Fant. Those guys are rare athletes but not really good TE’s. That, IMO is a big reason why some failed to make an impact. They just are great athletes… not great football players.

TE is a difficult position to play in the NFL,,, you need to take guys that have already played it at a high level. Guys like Pitts (who will be great) and TJ Hockenson played well in college and they came into the league being able to play the position.

So, for me, if I’m going to use a high pick on a TE, I need to see a highly productive college career with enough athleticism to be able to still flourish in the NFL. The mind is such an important part of playing TE. Instincts, angles, leverage… all things a TE needs, that should be there in college.

That is why I still hesitate with Washington, even though I love his build, athleticism and dominant blocking.

It is also why I would be all in on Kincaid. He has demonstrated everything you want to see in a TE… and frankly, he’s done it at such a high level and moves and catches the ball so well, that I have zero concern about him being anything other than a really good NFL player.

If Dallas picks him, Kincaid will help the team right away, IMO and will be a very valuable piece of what Dallas does next year.

I just tend to stay away from guys like Njoku. I am drawn to guys like Kincaid.

JMO

Potts is the best receiving TE in college I’ve ever seen…Atl is wasting him away man, it is criminal.

Agree on pretty much everything else. I’ll add TE is kind of a tough eval bc sometimes these guys aren’t the primary receiving options so the stats can be a little deflated. I don’t think Hock had any monster years in college but his tape was flooded with quick feet, good routes and soft hands.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't love it, but it would make sense only IF we get another receiver in free agency. We simply cannot line up with Gallup and Tolbert or Brown as 2 and 3 receivers.

Agree. I don’t think we can go into this draft without adding a WR before…

Or else you probably see us reach for need again.

 

[AsthmaField]

Great post and you are one of many that make this draft/forum great.

What's your thoughts on LaPorta.
He was someone I was liking early on in the process.
From Iowa, TE churning college, and seemed to have back to back good years to end his career there.

Didn't expect him to test as well as he did, and his combine is nearly identical to Kittle.

I like LaPorta fine but he isn’t in the same realm as Kincaid, IMO.

If you want to draft a TE to add to Ferguson and Hendershot, and LaPorta is available in the 4th round, then I’d be down with that. I think he would be a valuable addition to that TE room.

However, if you want to draft a difference maker at TE… a guy that really scares defenses and draws a lot of the defensive coordinators game planning time, then you get a guy like Kincaid, not LaPorta.

That’s not to say that LaPorta can’t come in to the NFL, work hard and become a really good player. He just doesn’t have the skills that Kincaid has IMO.

And really, I do need to watch LaPorta play some more. I haven’t given his tape enough attention.

I appreciate the kind words man.

 

[RS12]

They are drafting 26, not 6. Some of you need to get real. They got Tyler at 24 warts and all, some of which he still has. Anybody got any rational complaints about him? Point being your not got to love everything about the pick no matter who they take. And another thing, stop worrying about just this year. Theoretically this player is supposed to be a big help for the next five years. Jeez.

 

[Cowboyny]

I like LaPorta fine but he isn’t in the same realm as Kincaid, IMO.

If you want to draft a TE to add to Ferguson and Hendershot, and LaPorta is available in the 4th round, then I’d be down with that. I think he would be a valuable addition to that TE room.

However, if you want to draft a difference maker at TE… a guy that really scares defenses and draws a lot of the defensive coordinators game planning time, then you get a guy like Kincaid, not LaPorta.

That’s not to say that LaPorta can’t come in to the NFL, work hard and become a really good player. He just doesn’t have the skills that Kincaid has IMO.

And really, I do need to watch LaPorta play some more. I haven’t given his tape enough attention.

I appreciate the kind words man.

What's your thoughts on Mustgrave?

 

[AsthmaField]

What's your thoughts on Mustgrave?

Mainly that his lack of production would scare me from using a high pick on him. I know that he’s athletic but I’m usually not a fan of athletic guys that didn’t do a lot in college (Washington has produced blocking but they did t throw it to him enough).

To be honest, I have focused mainly on Kincaid, Washington and Mayer. I will eventually watch some of the lower round TE’s.

What is your take on him?

 

[JBS]

I keep coming back to this:

Who was the last 1st round TE that made a huge difference for the team that drafted him?

Lolol nice way to take hockenson out of the equation, literally for no reason.

Pitts went for 1k yards as a rookie Te. Surely that counts

 

[JBS]

Mainly that his lack of production would scare me from using a high pick on him. I know that he’s athletic but I’m usually not a fan of athletic guys that didn’t do a lot in college (Washington has produced blocking but they did t throw it to him enough).

To be honest, I have focused mainly on Kincaid, Washington and Mayer. I will eventually watch some of the lower round TE’s.

What is your take on him?

I don’t see this athleticism of Musgrave on tape. I must be blind. There isn’t much tape. But the little that there is, I don’t see this athletic freak. He tested incredible. Where is that athleticism on the field?

 

[reddyuta]

I wonder if he will even participate in his pro day,he might not be ready.

 

[Rayman70]

we have no need at 26 to draft a TE. Draft Nolan Smith or an olineman like Broderick Jones. How much longer will DLAW be here and play? Draft a guy like Smith makes sense if available. That said, nuthin wrong drafting a TE later in the middle rds. Maybe Payne Durham or Kuntz. Drafting a TE is a luxury in this draft, not a need.