Hip drop tackles will be a topic of discussion amoung league officials next week

[cowboys5xsbs]

 

[Cowboys5217]

One step closer to the National Flag Football League.

 

[FanofJerry]

One step closer to the National Flag Football League.

I would argue that its sad Professionals cant figure out how to tackle up high without dropping their hips

Paid all that money, grown man, and you cant figure it out?

No one wants their leg snapped. If a play that increases the frequency of a leg being snapped and that play be removed without messing the game up...you do it.

Defenders should stop tackling up high, especially when trailing from behind. And...if they do...using every ounce of their weight to bring the ball carrier down without using their own legs to prevent an injury to the other player...is kinda barbaric.

There are guys tackling and reaching and pulling for the ball to cause fumbles....but they cant tackle and remember to do something else to prevent injuries? They can only multitask when it suits your argument, right? Convenient

 

[Ken]

They kept the Eagles' stupid scrum though.

So annoying.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I would argue that its sad Professionals cant figure out how to tackle up high without dropping their hips

Paid all that money, grown man, and you cant figure it out?

No one wants their leg snapped. If a play that increases the frequency of a leg being snapped and that play be removed without messing the game up...you do it.

Defenders should stop tackling up high, especially when trailing from behind. And...if they do...using every ounce of their weight to bring the ball carrier down without using their own legs to prevent an injury to the other player...is kinda barbaric.

There are guys tackling and reaching and pulling for the ball to cause fumbles....but they cant tackle and remember to do something else to prevent injuries? They can only multitask when it suits your argument, right? Convenient

1) I would think players would be FOR as much player safety as possible
2) I would think we can do it without making it....tag or flag...football. At least make a reasonable effort.

 

[Vanilla2]

Really changed the dynamics of the playoff game against the whiners

 

[thunderpimp91]

I would argue that its sad Professionals can't figure out how to tackle up high without dropping their hips

Paid all that money, grown man, and you cant figure it out?

No one wants their leg snapped. If a play that increases the frequency of a leg being snapped and that play be removed without messing the game up...you do it.

Defenders should stop tackling up high, especially when trailing from behind. And...if they do...using every ounce of your weight to bring them down without using their own legs to prevent an injury to the other player...is kinda barbaric.

There are guys tackling and reaching and pulling for the ball to cause fumbles....but they cant tackle and remember to do something else to prevent injuries? They can only multitask when it suits your argument, right? Convenient

I'm with you in that if you can eliminate the tackle without messing up the game you do it. I think eliminating that tackle is going to be more difficult than we think though in relation to keeping a balance between offense and defense in the league. I don't care how much these guys are getting paid it becomes extremely difficult to tackle Derrick Henry from behind, or even a Tony Pollard in the open field.

For the longest time it was don't go low because of the leg injuries. Then it was don't go high because of concussion concerns. I'm all for not playing wreckless, no need to launch and target players. I'm even all for getting rid of the hip drop tackles, I just fear that this is going to turn into a similar issue to roughing the passer where we really don't know what the rule is. Guys are always going to have to tackle from behind and the league needs to have a clear technique that is approved. Maybe that's more of a rolling tacking instead of pulling the weight back, I don't know, but I don't think this is an easy conversation with a simple answer. If we decide that tackles from behind must have some sort of forward momentum do we also need to adjust where the ball gets marked or are we just going to let ball carries fall forward every time for easy yardage?

 

[Captain-Crash]

just go to the two-hand touch league. If you can get two hands on the guy, he's down by contact. I'd hate for some guy to get hurt playing a contact sport.

 

[KJJ]

They’re going to make it impossible to play defense and make a legal tackle.

 

[Captain-Crash]

and while they are at it, why not let a different team win the trophy each year? Come on the participation trophy is real.

 

[Praxit]

..they have no clue, what this will do to NFL. Just wait..lol.. Probably 50+flags a game. Fans will be booing. Mega fines on players. Outcome of games will be changed on the dime.

This is something along the same idea. OF using a pretzel for steering wheel.

 

[FanofJerry]

They’re going to make it impossible to play defense and make a legal tackle.

Did the horse-collar rule ruin anything? Not at all.

The tackle up high, jump up, use every single ounce of your weight...and drop to the ground, most likely falling on a ball carriers legs is just a new derivative of the horse-collar. Its a ball carriers getting ripped backwards while a defender is falling on their legs.

Get it out of the game. No one wants a leg snapped

 

[FanofJerry]

Its funny.

I know exactly what is causing the injuries and I would never suit up on a defense and try and tackle like that.

But it is being defended as some impossible rule to implement, that will ruin the game and yada yada yada.

I could easily play defense and never horse collar or tackle up high and drop my hips on a ball carriers legs. Easily.

Yet the fake system just wants lie and argue that it will ruin the game or cant be done. Yawn. Same lies promoting negativity to cause a reaction. Its all fake.

 

[KJJ]

Did the horse-collar rule ruin anything? Not at all.

The tackle up high, jump up, use every single ounce of your weight...and drop to the ground, most likely falling on a ball carriers legs is just a new derivative of the horse-collar. Its a ball carriers getting ripped backwards while a defender is falling on their legs.

Get it out of the game. No one wants a leg snapped

There’s been several more rule changes on tackling since the horse collar tackle. At some point it’s going to ruin the game for some fans. I understand they’re trying to make the game more safe, but you can’t handcuff defenders, making it more difficult to make a legal tackle. Tackling requires reacting quickly. Now you can’t hit high or low or land on a QB using your body weight. It’s getting ridiculous. It’s making it more difficult to play defense.

 

[fivetwos]

I’d like to see roster rules amended so teams can easily carry an emergency QB.

Most teams only dress two, and you’re always two plays away from having a non competitive game.

They used to have something like you can dress an emergency third with restrictions. Seems as if the rules went backward on this.

All sides have something to gain, but it doesn’t help the bottom line, so they won’t be wasting time on it I’m sure.

 

[MikeT22]

One step closer to the National Flag Football League.

Eventually it’ll become like the Pro Bowl as it transitioned.

 

[FanofJerry]

Its funny.

I know exactly what is causing the injuries and I would never suit up on a defense and try and tackle like that.

But it is being defended as some impossible rule to implement, that will ruin the game and yada yada yada.

I could easily play defense and never horse collar or tackle up high and drop my hips on a ball carriers legs. Easily.

Yet the fake system just wants lie and argue that it will ruin the game or cant be done. Yawn. Same lies promoting negativity to cause a reaction. Its all fake.

No one wants to touch this one. Convenient. Yawn

 

[thunderpimp91]

No one wants to touch this one. Convenient. Yawn

Why would they? You've stated your opinion and it's clear that you aren't going to budge on the subject. I agree with you that they can probably figure out a way to get the hip drop tackle out of the game without much of an issue, but it's far from being as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

You would never horse collar tackle? I would agree with that, it's a pretty easy one to stay away from. You would never tackle high? Then you wouldn't be a very good tackler, and if your strategy is to take out the legs you're going to cause more injuries. I guarantee 9/10 skill players would rather a defender hit them high than low. You injure a rib you're out a month, injure your ACL and your career could be finished.

The hip drop sounds like an easy tackle to stay away from, but the reality is if you're a defender on 3rd down and ball carrier is close to the LOS you're instinct is to do everything in your power to not let that player fall forward. I'm all for making a rule change in the name of player safety, but you've got to give me a technique that can be used instead. What we can't do is completely outlaw tackling from behind in a pulling motion. I think that either a firm alternative technique needs to be established or we need to be specific on what a penalty would be, and it has to specifically be around dropping the hips with intent. It can't just be anything that looks ugly or gets every borderline call like they are doing with QB roughing.

 

[FanofJerry]

Why would they? You've stated your opinion and it's clear that you aren't going to budge on the subject. I agree with you that they can probably figure out a way to get the hip drop tackle out of the game without much of an issue, but it's far from being as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

You would never horse collar tackle? I would agree with that, it's a pretty easy one to stay away from. You would never tackle high? Then you wouldn't be a very good tackler, and if your strategy is to take out the legs you're going to cause more injuries. I guarantee 9/10 skill players would rather a defender hit them high than low. You injure a rib you're out a month, injure your ACL and your career could be finished.

The hip drop sounds like an easy tackle to stay away from, but the reality is if you're a defender on 3rd down and ball carrier is close to the LOS you're instinct is to do everything in your power to not let that player fall forward. I'm all for making a rule change in the name of player safety, but you've got to give me a technique that can be used instead. What we can't do is completely outlaw tackling from behind in a pulling motion. I think that either a firm alternative technique needs to be established or we need to be specific on what a penalty would be, and it has to specifically be around dropping the hips with intent. It can't just be anything that looks ugly or gets every borderline call like they are doing with QB roughing.

Im saying I know how to tackle high and not drop on some ones legs JUST LIKE HOW DEFENDERS TACKLE AND TRY AND RIP BALL LOOSE. Im highlighting that players multitask while tackling...they can multi-task and not drop tackle.

Its that simple.

But...the system wants to argue until the cows come home and sidestep or not address anything that goes against its narrative. Ive cornered it. Ive proven that players multitask and can think while tackling with the rip/fumble play. Now the system has no where to go so it just shuts up because its coded to not lose an argument. Its childish. It refuses to agree...it wants to take the opposite angle for reactions. Its trash.

 

[DallasEast]

How long has hip drop tackling been coached? Four decades back, I was taught to square up the ballcarrier and tackle by running through your guy, which takes his legs away.

Was hip drop tackling happening as often as it is now in the 1980's and before? Back when the player safety rules of today did not exist? Just asking because I do not remember many tackles where tacklers just dropped their entire weight on the back of legs. I mean it was definitely 'no holds barred' than now but the number of broken legs and ankles did not seem to happen as often as now. Wished there were specific injury statistics that could be reviewed on the topic.

My auto-response used to be 'You got JACKED UP!' after some tackles. Now I watch guys grab, slide down and twist a ballcarrier down and often wonder if something broke. And then be not surprised if it does happen.