Stephen on 105 about TE

[AsthmaField]

Don’t have to sell me on Gibbs. Been in love w him the entire process. I never thought he would be an option. I’m slowly thinking he might be, which is great

Yeah, we can hope they’re serious about Gibbs.

 

[Sydla]

Mayer is light and an average athlete. He's not going to get any separation at the NFL level and would have to put on a bunch of weight to to be a forceful blocker. The only TE who makes any sense in the first is Washington, even if he is a bit of a project, because he has a terrific athletic profile.

One thing to note, Mayer dropped weight in his run up to the combine. He played at ND in the 260s.

And your comment on Washington is strange because honestly, I'd take Kincaid over him. Yeah he's a questionable blocker but in todays NFL, his ability to catch the ball is almost Kittle/Kelce-esque.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I'm still trippin' that Stephen said that they drafted Tyron when he was 18...and he repeated it. And, OF COURSE, nobody on the show corrected him.

You assume they knew enough to correct him.

 

[atlantacowboy]

One thing to note, Mayer dropped weight in his run up to the combine. He played at ND in the 260s.

And your comment on Washington is strange because honestly, I'd take Kincaid over him. Yeah he's a questionable blocker but in todays NFL, his ability to catch the ball is almost Kittle/Kelce-esque.

Bingo. We need a pass catching TE. Mayer or Kincaide.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

One thing to note, Mayer dropped weight in his run up to the combine. He played at ND in the 260s.

Yea, I think they listed him at 265 or something. But also that doesn't really help his case. To lose ~15 lbs and still run a 4.7 I think is actually worse than just running a 4.8 at 265.

And while I don't think bench press is a terrific measurement, the fact that he didn't even bother makes me think that number would've been poor too. Throw up 20 reps at 250, and we're talking. Decline to test when you played at 265 is concerning.

 

[phildadon86]

Waaaaah

Judging by some of your posts here.

Ill take that as a compliment

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Bingo. We need a pass catching TE. Mayer or Kincaide.

It's not as if Washington can't catch, he just wasn't used that way. If not for Brock Bowers, Washington probably has something like 50 catches for 800 yards, and is the head and shoulders TE1.

He has as much upside as a receiver as any other TE in the class.

 

[stilltheguru]

Personally like you I hope not but he’s a LB who can rush the passer and Stephen gave him a lot of high praise. Ring a bell?

I highly doubt it but we'll see. Stephen also said jaylon was a cornerstone so......

 

[atlantacowboy]

It's not as if Washington can't catch, he just wasn't used that way. If not for Brock Bowers, Washington probably has something like 50 catches for 800 yards, and is the head and shoulders TE1.

He has as much upside as a receiver as any other TE in the class.

I'm not going to complain about Washington. He would upgrade the position. But, I preference players that have done it on a college level to decrease the odds of missing. Washington being a busy pass catching TE is more of a projection. He's more like a 3rd OT. You can imagine if he's 270 lbs now, will he still be able to run at 280 or 285 when he gets a few offseasons with money ?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's not as if Washington can't catch, he just wasn't used that way. If not for Brock Bowers, Washington probably has something like 50 catches for 800 yards, and is the head and shoulders TE1.

He has as much upside as a receiver as any other TE in the class.

I find hilarious that folks get excited by that catch as if Mayer or even Kincaid don’t have 5-6 clips each doing the same thing.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I find hilarious that folks get excited by that catch as if Mayer or even Kincaid don’t have 5-6 clips each doing the same thing.

Which catch? This is like a dozen plays, and it's not that any of them are particularly special.

The fact that they are doing "the same thing" means that Washington can be the same caliber receiver anyway.

 

[Hardline]

When Bijan Robinson goes off the board I want adding talent to the OL in preparation for our new 3rd round RB to run behind.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I'm not going to complain about Washington. He would upgrade the position. But, I preference players that have done it on a college level to decrease the odds of missing. Washington being a busy pass catching TE is more of a projection. He's more like a 3rd OT. You can imagine if he's 270 lbs now, will he still be able to run at 280 or 285 when he gets a few offseasons with money ?

Why do you assume he's going to gain weight? He's not Albert Haynesworth lol

You could just as easily say that he's going get on an NFL nutrition plan and get to 260 with less body fat. Since he's 21, that's probably the more likely outcome than just assuming he's lazy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm still trippin' that Stephen said that they drafted Tyron when he was 18...and he repeated it. And, OF COURSE, nobody on the show corrected him.

He was young though wasn’t he like 19 or 20? He’s only 32 now that was awhile ago….

 

[CherBoyWade]

One thing to note, Mayer dropped weight in his run up to the combine. He played at ND in the 260s.

And your comment on Washington is strange because honestly, I'd take Kincaid over him. Yeah he's a questionable blocker but in todays NFL, his ability to catch the ball is almost Kittle/Kelce-esque.

He also ran his fastest official 40 (4.7) where he weighed more than his combine weight. Combine was at 245, pro day at 252. His updated overall RAS score after his Pro Day was an 8.85/10—much higher than the RAS score in 7s people have been throwing around in here.

And as for the post you're responding to, Mayer is an elite blocking prospect. He actually graded out with a better PFF blocking grade than Washington, although Washingto obviously has more potential there given the size and speed

 

[cnuball21]

Yea, I think they listed him at 265 or something. But also that doesn't really help his case. To lose ~15 lbs and still run a 4.7 I think is actually worse than just running a 4.8 at 265.

And while I don't think bench press is a terrific measurement, the fact that he didn't even bother makes me think that number would've been poor too. Throw up 20 reps at 250, and we're talking. Decline to test when you played at 265 is concerning.

Yea…the fact he dropped weight to run faster and still tested as a below average athlete is even more concerning to me.

If Mayer came in at 6’6 / 260 with 34 inch arms and ran a 4.7 I’m probably cool with him…as he’d likely be like a 9 RAS athlete. 4.7 at 245ish is quite a bit different.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Which catch? This is like a dozen plays, and it's not that any of them are particularly special.

The fact that they are doing "the same thing" means that Washington can be the same caliber receiver anyway.

Sorry, the first one.

 

[AsthmaField]

I highly doubt it but we'll see. Stephen also said jaylon was a cornerstone so......

You just misunderstood him. What he was saying is that Jaylon had the lateral agility of a stone.

 

[CherBoyWade]

Yea, I think they listed him at 265 or something. But also that doesn't really help his case. To lose ~15 lbs and still run a 4.7 I think is actually worse than just running a 4.8 at 265.

And while I don't think bench press is a terrific measurement, the fact that he didn't even bother makes me think that number would've been poor too. Throw up 20 reps at 250, and we're talking. Decline to test when you played at 265 is concerning.

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[Mac_MaloneV1]

Sorry, the first one.

Yea, I don't think that's anything special lol. The TD against LSU (last play) and the seam against MSU I think are the most "important" of his reps as a receiver.

The point is just that he can get into those spaces and be effective as a receiver the way that the other guys do too, even if he doesn't have the same volume.