CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

[Mr_Slicky]

I said this over and over last year, and many twisted it into an anti-Dak thread or a pro-Dak thread. This is neither of these. This is just breaking down the facts of team-building and the real-world chance of 1 in 32 that Dak could QB a team to a championship. As we've seen before, when his line is not blocking, when he gets rattled, when his primary WR gets stymied and his number 1 RB injured, he can't put the team on his shoulder and get it done. Or maybe he can, but we haven't seen it in the games he's played thus far, but still has it in him. Who knows? We could debate that all day....

What I'm almost certain of is that he's good enough to drive the bus if the right pieces are in place. I think he can get you there, and then some. I think he could dominate with the right guys around him, which is why I'd be hesitant to not bring in D-Hop. When an opportunity like that presents itself, I think you go and get it.

I don't even think Gallup would be mad about that, although saying to bring in Hopkins is not a bash on Gallup. I don't care what people say about last year. The dude is still a baller. And part of me knows that just Gallup, Cooks, and Lamb is a load for any team to handle, especially if they have to deal with a Tony Pollard or a Deuce Vaughn and our TE four horsemen, or whatever they end up being, but I have a feeling people will soon fear our guys. Lunda Wells is one of the best under-the-radar coaches and just doesn't get enough credit, in my humble opinion.

I can't wait to see what training camp brings. We brought in quite a bit of weaponry and you know Dallas is hosting an open competition at WR, at least I'd say. So I'm looking out for guys like Durden, Brooks, and my boy Cropper. I'm also excited to see some guys back from last year or whatever. I think pound for pound, the 2023 UDFA class is just better, and there are some ballers in that group.

Of those guys, plus our draft picks, Dallas has a chance to really construct a dynamic offense and defense. I expect the overall competition in the NFL to be up overall, too, because people are out more, football is getting bigger again, and there's an influx of athletes coming in to take jobs.. it's always fun to watch that part unfold. For now, the tension builds up as news breaks about Parsons' tweets.

With the right personnel on a Parsons-led defense, and the right tools in place for a Parsons-led offense, I have no doubt Dak can get it done with the right tools. The biggest question lingering right now is: to get D-Hop or to not get D-Hop after June 1st?

40 million a year for a bus driver. That’s how stupid this organization is. If that’s all we truly need, then any average quarterback can be a bus driver for 5 million a year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That was my point, it's much more likely that having a Mahomes or such in my quest to win a SB, rather than having to depend on a "perfect storm" so that my bus driver quarterback can win it, is what we've seen.

Didn't say Dak or some other bus driver quarterback COULDN'T win it. Certainly, it's POSSIBLE. As you said, much more likely with the Brady, etc. quarterback at the helm....

oh, couldn't agree more. lets find an elite QB.

 

[conner01]

All depends on $$$$$$

No reason to bring in hopkins at all
We have cook and lamb with Gallup as the third plus we have other weapons at TE and RB we need to use more

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Chargers did not retain Drew Brees due to coaching arrogance and inadequate medical evaluation. Marty Schottenheimer put in his starter, Brees, in the final regular season game versus the Broncos. San Diego had been eliminated from postseason play. Schottenheimer had the option of having the backup, Philip Rivers, start the game instead. Then Schottenheimer's stubbornness presented an opportunity of his starting quarterback getting injured trying to secure a fumble:

Bree's shoulder injury was so severe that the Chargers' medical evaluation deemed it practically career ending. The general manager released Brees. Brees took the Saints' 6-year, $60 million/$10 million guaranteed contract and the rest is history.

It is true Brees was the first pick of the second round and let go in the end. However, the Chargers thought he was expendable after the injury. The Chargers' loss was the Saints' gain and underscores the necessity for NFL teams to go over-and-beyond customary medical evaluation when assessing injuries.

Brees didn't exactly light the world on fire when he was there. had one playoff appearance which he lost.
that's why they spent a top 5 pick to grab another QB and moved on from Brees. and yes, Brees was injured when he was let go and in fact, Miami wanted him, but had injury concerns and didn't sign him, so NO was his only other option.

and to your point, NO got lucky. for all intent and purposes, his injury was career threatening. NO took a big risk. it obviously paid off.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

In this video clip, even though Dak was able to zip it in between defenders closing in and around CeeDee, he clearly missed Dalton Schultz streaking wide open along the left numbers for what could have been a TD. Dak needs to get better at seeing the better open WR.

In that clip the Lions showed blitz, Dak read that and threw to his first open read. Alot of times a man is running free when a def. blitzes, but that doesnt mean the QB always has time to throw it to them. Plus, that man running free is usually the 3rd or 4th read.

People want Dak to read defenses better, yet when he does it gets picked apart.

 

[diamonddelts]

This season, go get him that last and top level receiver - Hopkins, and just watch where his passing led game goes!

Down in the divisional round of the playoffs to any top shelf defense.

 

[Pass2Run]

Jeez, give it a rest. YOU KNOW any Dak thread is just going to delve into the same ole points as always. Also, you thinking Dak is “just a bus driver” then you’ve lost all credibility to comment on any player. Now back to dreaming up other ways to bash Dak.

Says the guy who incessantly trolls...

 

[big dog cowboy]

40 million a year for a bus driver. That’s how stupid this organization is.

They don't view him that way.

 

[shabazz]

8 years is the charm…..

 

[Pass2Run]

OK, so you think the receiver corp needs more than Cooks to get us over the hump. If D-Hop is the player that makes the team 'compete', then yep go for it....as for the Dak Question, lets give him every possible weapon in 2023 and make that decision whether to invest/extend based on the view that he'll never get a better team around him.

If it succeeds we probably need to follow it up and go ALL-IN (behind Dak) and d@mn the mid/long term consequences....indeed that may not matter as we're champions. If it fails it'll mean the rookie QB we draft as his replacement, will have a WR room of: CeeDee, D-Hop, Gallup and Cooks, as well as money to shore up the O-Line (Biadasz and Steele)

This line of reasoning makes sense. It just depends on how urgent winning is. I would be tempted to win right now. Even though Gallup is my favorite player on the team, I'd probably go grab D-Hop and worry about consequences later. Diggs and everyone wanted more veteran help. So give your players what they say they need..

 

[Pass2Run]

They don't view him that way.

Thanks. I'm interested in discussion — not agendas, so appreciate you keeping it real.

 

[America's Cowboy]

In that clip the Lions showed blitz, Dak read that and threw to his first open read. Alot of times a man is running free when a def. blitzes, but that doesnt mean the QB always has time to throw it to them. Plus, that man running free is usually the 3rd or 4th read.

People want Dak to read defenses better, yet when he does it gets picked apart.

Here is where you guys are getting it way wrong. Look at the video once again.



Dak should have realized it was #97, a stand up DE, trying to cover Dalton Schultz at the line of scrimmage. THAT should have been his first sign of who to throw to in case the DE follows Schultz, which he initially did 2-3 steps before running over to help cover CeeDee. There is no way a DE can keep up with Dalton Schultz.

Secondly, when the ball is hiked, Dak first looked at Dalton Schultz before looking over and throwing it to the much more covered CeeDee Lamb. The Lions knew this, hence why the stand up DE covering Schultz immediately rubbed off and ran over to help cover CeeDee over the middle. Dak badly failed to realize this both pre-snap and after the snap. Dalton Schultz was wide open running his fly/go route. Nobody was within 7-8 yards of Schultz!

The correct read and throw should have been to Dalton Schultz. It would have gone for a TD. Instead, Dak obviously pre-snap had his mind set on throwing it to CeeDee, hence Dak first looked at Dalton before looking over and throwing it to CeeDee. The Lions knew this since they had their DE immediately let Schultz run right past him wide open as the DE ran inside to help cover CeeDee. Dak got it wrong. The Lions guessed correctly. The only thing that helped Dak was he was able to squeeze that tight throw into CeeDee with 3 defenders around him, but the better and correct read was Dak should have noticed pre-snap how the DE was covering Dalton at the line of scrimmage, thus it should have made Dak realize Dalton was the one who would become wide open.

@khiladi Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you see what I'm seeing and what others are not seeing?

 

[DallasEast]

Brees didn't exactly light the world on fire when he was there. had one playoff appearance which he lost.
that's why they spent a top 5 pick to grab another QB and moved on from Brees. and yes, Brees was injured when he was let go and in fact, Miami wanted him, but had injury concerns and didn't sign him, so NO was his only other option.

and to your point, NO got lucky. for all intent and purposes, his injury was career threatening. NO took a big risk. it obviously paid off.

The general manager drafted Philip Rivers. Brees had Schottenheimer's full support to the degree that he started Brees in the season finale to NOT showcase Rivers. Rivers might have succeeded Brees if Brees did not get injured but Rivers promotion would have likely occurred with the departure of Brees and Schottenheimer.

The Saints gambled. That is 100% true. The front office did an extensive medical evaluation, as opposed to A.J. Smith consultations with some orthopedic doctors. They drilled through Dr. James Andrews' surgical procedure in microscopic detail also, boosting their educated risk-taking before offering the huge contract. I would speculate the Dolphins' investigation into Brees' recovery capability was less than the Chargers. Makes sense they would balk as quickly as they did.

In highsight, the Saints netted a Super Bowl caliber quarterback. Contrastly, A.J. Brown's famous Eli Manning for Philip Rivers first round draft trade swap netted lasting notoriety among a notable number of Chargers' fans.

 

[GINeric]

I would explain but it wouldn't matter because I've already talked about Daks weaknesses. But his first season he had some throws to Beasley in the flat about 10 yards away and Daks feet were set and he armed the ball without stepping into it. I about threw up in my mouth when I saw the ball land about 5 feet short of Beasley who was wide open. That was the weakest throw I've ever seen in my life, especially from an NFL QB. From that moment on I knew something was wrong with him. Then he comes out with this swivel hip thing. It's been my experience being around sports and playing that when you need to work so hard on your mechanics because it's not natural that is the first thing to break down under pressure. I just don't think Dak is good enough to win with. These other guys you talk about like Dilfer he had a great defense that could intimidate WRs and QBs. League doesn't let that happen anymore. Foles has more physical and natural ability to throw the football which makes his ceiling higher than Dak. You watch guys like Manning and Brees and you see the throws they make and know they are a very talented QB. I think Lamar Jackson has a better arm than Dak. I just don't see Dak using ball placement on the WRs body. He throws to a target but not any specific area of the target.

Very nice breakdown, no doubt!! But... how is it that Manning and Brees had the same number of playoff wins as Dak, the guy with bad mechanics, I their 5 or so seasons???

Wait.

How can a quarterback with the worst throws and mechanics you've ever seen do these thing......

1. Dak is the third player in HISTORY with 100+ td passes and 20+ rush tds in his first 5 seasons.

2. Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in his first four seasons.

3. Dak is tied for the most 100+ passer rating games in his first four seasons

4. The Cowboys are 31-3 in his first couple of seasons when he had a 100+ passer rating.

5. Dak had the sixth highest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL HISTORY is first four or five years.


Ok, so do you care to explain how a quarterback like Dak with the worst passing motion and bad mechanics you've ever seen be able to pull off some things most quarterbacks in HISTORY haven't done in their first 4 or 5 seasons??

Because what you're saying doesn't line up with what happened in Dak's earlier years. I'm listening....

 

[Diehardblues]

40 million a year for a bus driver. That’s how stupid this organization is. If that’s all we truly need, then any average quarterback can be a bus driver for 5 million a year.

Yea but our dysfunctional ownership has hyped him up to be more than that. We must always remember with Jethro and Son that winning championships isn’t the top priority.

Remaining interesting and relevant sells hope and maintains the record revenue . Dak has definitely earned his keep enabling this franchise to continue its hype and hope.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I'm glad Dak can drive the bus

Driving the team bus would be one way he could help support the team.....

Can he wash uniforms too?

He's not that good at quote/unquote "throwing the football" so theses other chores could help him earn his paycheck a bit more.

 

[Pass2Run]

Here is where you guys are getting it way wrong. Look at the video once again.



Dak should have realized it was #97, a stand up DE, trying to cover Dalton Schultz at the line of scrimmage. THAT should have been his first sign of who to throw to in case the DE follows Schultz, which he initially did 2-3 steps before running over to help cover CeeDee. There is no way a DE can keep up with Dalton Schultz.

Secondly, when the ball is hiked, Dak first looked at Dalton Schultz before looking over and throwing it to the much more covered CeeDee Lamb. The Lions knew this, hence why the stand up DE covering Schultz immediately rubbed off and ran over to help cover CeeDee over the middle. Dak badly failed to realize this both pre-snap and after the snap. Dalton Schultz was wide open running his fly/go route. Nobody was within 7-8 yards of Schultz!

The correct read and throw should have been to Dalton Schultz. It would have gone for a TD. Instead, Dak obviously pre-snap had his mind set on throwing it to CeeDee, hence Dak first looked at Dalton before looking over and throwing it to CeeDee. The Lions knew this since they had their DE immediately let Schultz run right past him wide open as the DE ran inside to help cover CeeDee. Dak got it wrong. The Lions guessed correctly. The only thing that helped Dak was he was able to squeeze that tight throw into CeeDee with 3 defenders around him, but the better and correct read was Dak should have noticed pre-snap how the DE was covering Dalton at the line of scrimmage, thus it should have made Dak realize Dalton was the one who would become wide open.

@khiladi Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you see what I'm seeing and what others are not seeing?

This is exactly my point. Instead of going for a TD, he goes for the first thing he sees open, and hits it. He's trying to make high-percentage passes, and he made one correct pre-read, and hits the throw, but he does miss a relatively easy TD pass. Still, they live to see another set of downs, and may have even ended up scoring on this drive. I don't know if that's the case, but it often is. A completion is better than no completion. And he's typically been good at INTs, so I'm going to give him a pass on that this year unless he starts doing it again. I like the emphasis on communication and what they have going on there.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Not true. Dak can get better with better coaching.

The only thing Dak is going to do with "better coaching" is getting the coach fired.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This is exactly my point. Instead of going for a TD, he goes for the first thing he sees open, and hits it. He's trying to make high-percentage passes, and he made one correct pre-read, and hits the throw, but he does miss a relatively easy TD pass. Still, they live to see another set of downs, and may have even ended up scoring on this drive. I don't know if that's the case, but it often is. A completion is better than no completion. And he's typically been good at INTs, so I'm going to give him a pass on that this year unless he starts doing it again. I like the emphasis on communication and what they have going on there.

It's obvious Dak is going for the "safer" throw, but the Lions actually had him figured out on this play. Even the DE immediately left Schultz and instead ran across to cover CeeDee. 3 defenders rushing to cover CeeDee says the Lions had Dak figured out. Most likely due to film study and a pattern they have noticed Dak throwing to during such an alignment. Dak got a little lucky due to his ability to zip that throw into a tight window towards CeeDee, but Schultz was streaking wide open for what should have been a 41 yard TD throw.

 

[diamonddelts]

The only thing Dak is going to do with "better coaching" is getting the coach fired.

Lol