CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

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I am glad he can drive a bus ....... I want him to win Superbowls, or at least beat the 49'rs.
 

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In this video clip, even though Dak was able to zip it in between defenders closing in and around CeeDee, he clearly missed Dalton Schultz streaking wide open along the left numbers for what could have been a TD. Dak needs to get better at seeing the better open WR.
The FS is still there with the ability to turn and close on the Shultz route when Dak sets up to pass. And with a blitz coming, I don’t think he was waiting for the longer developing route as the hot is going to be quicker.
 

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cant be true experts fans say he cant do any of that. dak also one of the best blitz pick up qbs but again experts say he cant read defenses..must be one lucky jag of qb guessing right more than wrong. i watched games last year him drop many tight window dimes to many players on the move..nope cant be true.
 

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The FS is still there with the ability to turn and close on the Shultz route when Dak sets up to pass. And with a blitz coming, I don’t think he was waiting for the longer developing route as the hot is going to be quicker.
Dak struggles at times with the instinct to see plays before they happen. I clearly saw Schultz as the better option before he even broke wide open.
 

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Let me agree for the moment Dak is a good enough bus driver to win a SB.

The question then is can a team with a bus driver quarterback win the SB?

Looking back over the, say, 20 years, how many teams won a SB with a "bus driver" quarterback?

We see 7 won by Brady, 2 by Mahomes, 2 by P. Manning, 2 by E. Manning and 2 by Roethlisberger. 1 each by Rodgers, Brees, Stafford and Wilson.

Were/are any of the above "bus drivers". You could make a case for E. Manning I guess, and maybe even P. Manning in "his" second SB win, he was terrible during the season and the playoffs, his defense carried the team to the title. Flacco is undoubtedly a bus driver overall, but the SB winning season he was not. Just check his stats for that playoff run. But that still leaves 16 of the 20 won by not bus driver quarterbacks.

If "bus driver Dak" is to win a SB, I'm sorry, it will have to be with a top defense, Dak playing consistently very well (which has seldom done) and a lot of luck, as well as limited key injuries (such as Tyron playing-14-17 games). Which as an aside means no Hopkins, the Cowboys need to beef up the defense and the offensive line as much as possible.

Anyway, that's how I see it....
 

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Apart for a Championship game appearance.....and a considerable difference in QBR.
Lmao. Just total nonsense.

Career Passer Rating:
Dak: 97.8
JA: 92.2

Career QBR:
Dak: 65.7
JA: 51.58

Going to a conference championship game is a stupid benchmark, and it's even more useless when you add full context, including that none of the teams BUF has played in the divisional round (BAL, NE, MIA) are as good as the 49ers or the 2016 Packers and that the Bills won a divisional round game scoring 10 points on offense.
 

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In this video clip, even though Dak was able to zip it in between defenders closing in and around CeeDee, he clearly missed Dalton Schultz streaking wide open along the left numbers for what could have been a TD. Dak needs to get better at seeing the better open WR.
What are you talking about? This is not even close to correct.

The safety is still there and has inside leverage on 86, who is clearly running a skinny post right at the safety. If that route turns into a flag towards the front pilon, the backside corner is dropping.
 

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Dak struggles at times with the instinct to see plays before they happen. I clearly saw Schultz as the better option before he even broke wide open.
You’re watching from a Birds Eye view. With where the safety is positioned and with it being a blitz which requires a quicker throw, it makes perfect sense why he didn’t go to Shultz. It’s also looking like an in-breaking route which would make this a lot more contested than you’re imagining.

We have to keep in mind that every play you can go back from the sky view and find a potentially better option for a big play. It’s just not an accurate way to judge a decision.
 

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Let me agree for the moment Dak is a good enough bus driver to win a SB.

The question then is can a team with a bus driver quarterback win the SB?

Looking back over the, say, 20 years, how many teams won a SB with a "bus driver" quarterback?

We see 7 won by Brady, 2 by Mahomes, 2 by P. Manning, 2 by E. Manning and 2 by Roethlisberger. 1 each by Rodgers, Brees, Stafford and Wilson.

Were/are any of the above "bus drivers". You could make a case for E. Manning I guess, and maybe even P. Manning in "his" second SB win, he was terrible during the season and the playoffs, his defense carried the team to the title. Flacco is undoubtedly a bus driver overall, but the SB winning season he was not. Just check his stats for that playoff run. But that still leaves 16 of the 20 won by not bus driver quarterbacks.

If "bus driver Dak" is to win a SB, I'm sorry, it will have to be with a top defense, Dak playing consistently very well (which has seldom done) and a lot of luck, as well as limited key injuries (such as Tyron playing-14-17 games). Which as an aside means no Hopkins, the Cowboys need to beef up the defense and the offensive line as much as possible.

Anyway, that's how I see it....
the point is that you can get to the superbowl and win it, without an elite QB. is it easier having an Elite QB? yes absolutely. and you notice two names dominate, which is essentially Brady and Mahomes. that accounts for 9 of them. both generational type QBs. Lucky Pats, Lucky Chiefs.

so then I ask everyone to go out and get us an Elite QB. there is a reason they are elite. 80% of first oround QBs fail. about 70% of the top 10 are not elite. so yes, there is a chance, but small chance and the chance is better if you are higher in the draft. drafting in lower part of first round doesn't get it done (rodgers is an exception but remember he had tons of question marks, that's why he dropped, Brees was 2nd rounder, but was let go from Chargers as nobody thought he could be). and it depends on the year you draft even if you have top 2 picks. are you going to get a Mayfield? ora Burrows? are you going to get a Turbiskey, where in the same draft Mahomes dropped because they didn't think his game would translate to NFL.
 

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What are you talking about? This is not even close to correct.

The safety is still there and has inside leverage on 86, who is clearly running a skinny post right at the safety. If that route turns into a flag towards the front pilon, the backside corner is dropping.
Yeah I don’t see how this was terribly debatable. Initially it seems like “hey Shultz had a big play there”. But when you see the play from field level that S is an issue and it’s a blitz so the ball is going to have to come out faster.
 

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With one of the very best defenses already in house, why not make the Dallas passing game the very best as well?
Because to have that you have to have one of the best quarterbacks as well. Dak's pretty good, but Imo he's not to the level of somebody like a Brees or a Brady or a Mahomes, somebody who has multiple 5,000-yard seasons...
 

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Yeah I don’t see how this was terribly debatable. Initially it seems like “hey Shultz had a big play there”. But when you see the play from field level that S is an issue and it’s a blitz so the ball is going to have to come out faster.
It's not debatable at all lol. 88 went to the hole in the zone and that's where Dak threw it.

Saying there's a big play to 86 is just assuming that the safety is blowing his assignment.
 

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the point is that you can get to the superbowl and win it, without an elite QB. is it easier having an Elite QB? yes absolutely
That was my point, it's much more likely that having a Mahomes or such in my quest to win a SB, rather than having to depend on a "perfect storm" so that my bus driver quarterback can win it, is what we've seen.

Didn't say Dak or some other bus driver quarterback COULDN'T win it. Certainly, it's POSSIBLE. As you said, much more likely with the Brady, etc. quarterback at the helm....
 

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Not true. Dak can get better with better coaching.
So, how long does it take? He's had 7 years in the NFL, every year that passes makes it that much less likely he can get better. If he has the potential to be a lot better, it should have shown up by now, just by virtue of game experience. That's why Brady has 7 rings, he's been in the league so long he's seen pretty much all defenses can throw at him, but he started off with a SB win his second year, pretty clearly he had a lot more ability that teams thought, or he'd not lasted to the 6th round of the draft.

I do think he can get better with better coaching, but I think it's probably to a much lesser extent than you think. Would love for you to be right, but I just don't see it happening....
 

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the point is that you can get to the superbowl and win it, without an elite QB. is it easier having an Elite QB? yes absolutely. and you notice two names dominate, which is essentially Brady and Mahomes. that accounts for 9 of them. both generational type QBs. Lucky Pats, Lucky Chiefs.

so then I ask everyone to go out and get us an Elite QB. there is a reason they are elite. 80% of first oround QBs fail. about 70% of the top 10 are not elite. so yes, there is a chance, but small chance and the chance is better if you are higher in the draft. drafting in lower part of first round doesn't get it done (rodgers is an exception but remember he had tons of question marks, that's why he dropped, Brees was 2nd rounder, but was let go from Chargers as nobody thought he could be). and it depends on the year you draft even if you have top 2 picks. are you going to get a Mayfield? ora Burrows? are you going to get a Turbiskey, where in the same draft Mahomes dropped because they didn't think his game would translate to NFL.
The Chargers did not retain Drew Brees due to coaching arrogance and inadequate medical evaluation. Marty Schottenheimer put in his starter, Brees, in the final regular season game versus the Broncos. San Diego had been eliminated from postseason play. Schottenheimer had the option of having the backup, Philip Rivers, start the game instead. Then Schottenheimer's stubbornness presented an opportunity of his starting quarterback getting injured trying to secure a fumble:

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Bree's shoulder injury was so severe that the Chargers' medical evaluation deemed it practically career ending. The general manager released Brees. Brees took the Saints' 6-year, $60 million/$10 million guaranteed contract and the rest is history.

It is true Brees was the first pick of the second round and let go in the end. However, the Chargers thought he was expendable after the injury. The Chargers' loss was the Saints' gain and underscores the necessity for NFL teams to go over-and-beyond customary medical evaluation when assessing injuries.
 

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Dak has showed up against solid to very good teams before, but I understand why you conveniently left that fact out by saying "he never shows a great performance unless it's against a crap team". You have an agenda to protect, I get it.

With that said, Dak has a record of 22-25 vs winning teams. Not very bad, but not very good either.

As great as Aaron Rodgers is, he is 41-44-1 vs teams with winning record.

Oh... and Matthew Stafford, a quarterback who some here has claimed is better than Dak, is a staggering 11-72 versus teams with a winning record. That's totally unacceptable. I don't want to hear the BS excuses of where he was or who he played for.... I was told by many here that good quarterbacks elevate the talent around them. So that's the standard for EVERY quarterback.

Back to Rodgers.... as great as he is, did you realize that he's 0-4 vs. Jimmy Garoppolo??? Hmmm.... its amazing how great Rodgers is, yet he only led his teams to one single Superbowl victory.

The same amount as Joe Theismann, Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles.

Maybe you can give us a breakdown on some of these mind blowing facts that I've posted. Again, I'm not saying Dak is or ever was elite or on Rodgers and some of those other great quarterbacks levels.

I'm just saying, you don't need to over exaggerate or lie to make a point, because Dak and some of those other guys may have similar numbers in certain situations at that same point in their careers.

Just like when someone said Dak only won one playoff game in his first 5, 6 seasons and came up with all kinds of reasons that's a bad look on him.... but when I brought up how Peyton Manning and Drew Brees only won one playoff game in the same time frame, the response was (insert the excuses).

And for the record, nobody here is saying Dak will have the career of those greats. It's just hilariously interesting how the narrative and excuses change for some others in the same time frame that Dak played, but they all had similar results in that same time frame. I love the hypocrisy!!
I would explain but it wouldn't matter because I've already talked about Daks weaknesses. But his first season he had some throws to Beasley in the flat about 10 yards away and Daks feet were set and he armed the ball without stepping into it. I about threw up in my mouth when I saw the ball land about 5 feet short of Beasley who was wide open. That was the weakest throw I've ever seen in my life, especially from an NFL QB. From that moment on I knew something was wrong with him. Then he comes out with this swivel hip thing. It's been my experience being around sports and playing that when you need to work so hard on your mechanics because it's not natural that is the first thing to break down under pressure. I just don't think Dak is good enough to win with. These other guys you talk about like Dilfer he had a great defense that could intimidate WRs and QBs. League doesn't let that happen anymore. Foles has more physical and natural ability to throw the football which makes his ceiling higher than Dak. You watch guys like Manning and Brees and you see the throws they make and know they are a very talented QB. I think Lamar Jackson has a better arm than Dak. I just don't see Dak using ball placement on the WRs body. He throws to a target but not any specific area of the target.
 
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