Stopping the 'Tush Push' (Eagles QB sneak)

[_sturt_]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

 

[dagreat1_87]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

This right here. Hurts has mutant leg strength. That play on 3rd and inches is pretty much unstoppable unless he has two sore hammys.

Gotta limit those opportunities

 

[CCBoy]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

Ever been in a strum, which is the Eagles formation for short yardage. Drive the helmet and shoulder pads of the offensive line straight down and back and the linebackers make the play at the height level then exposed.

Then whatever happens make him pay dearly for any success. Dearly.

 

[CowboysJames69]

You know I had go go back and watch the play more closely to form an opinion. What I noticed most of the time or the most successful version of it had their offensive linemen dive fast or thrust forward low and about knee level at the defensive line. Not a fan of the play.

I have to say you either have to try to go lower or to their level but then you have the QB and players to push him over the top or you try to go over the offensive linemen you will most likely get uprooted.

I am sure this is being studied very hard this offseason and most teams will try this in their playbook as it is legal.

 

[erod]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

They do it no huddle.

 

[Corso]

Ever been in a strum, which is the Eagles formation for short yardage. Drive the helmet and shoulder pads of the offensive line straight down and back and the linebackers make the play at the height level then exposed.

Then whatever happens make him pay dearly for any success. Dearly.

Strum? Scrum, yes? Maybe you know more than I so feel free to discount me fully.

 

[HungryLion]

You cheap shot the heck out of the QB in the scrum.

Nut shots, pulling on the legs, poking the eyes, etc.

All the old school stuff when everyone is piled together.

He may get the first down but make the QB pay a price for it.

 

[CCBoy]

Strum? Scrum, yes? Maybe you know more than I so feel free to discount me fully.

My mistake and yes I couldn't even spell scrum. I was on the Fort Polk Rugby team while stationed there. A pretty rugged game when played. We played in a tournament in Arkansas and in 5 games. Talk about worn out.

Naw, you are fine...and it does look challenging and demanding. It is...

 

[CCBoy]

You cheap shot the heck out of the QB in the scrum.

Nut shots, pulling on the legs, poking the eyes, etc.

All the old school stuff when everyone is piled together.

He may get the first down but make the QB pay a price for it.

Just be physical and he knows it...

 

[CCBoy]

You know I had go go back and watch the play more closely to form an opinion. What I noticed most of the time or the most successful version of it had their offensive linemen dive fast or thrust forward low and about knee level at the defensive line. Not a fan of the play.

I have to say you either have to try to go lower or to their level but then you have the QB and players to push him over the top or you try to go over the offensive linemen you will most likely get uprooted.

I am sure this is being studied very hard this offseason and most teams will try this in their playbook as it is legal.

In a true scrum, arms are interlocked at the shoulders with strong pushing.

 

[Corso]

My mistake and yes I couldn't even spell scrum. I was on the Fort Polk Rugby team while stationed there. A pretty rugged game when played. We played in a tournament in Arkansas and in 5 games. Talk about worn out.

Naw, you are fine...and it does look challenging and demanding. It is...

No problemo mi amigo.
I'm a rugby fan so that perked my ears, but no worries.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

Hell no

 

[_sturt_]

You know I had go go back and watch the play more closely to form an opinion. What I noticed most of the time or the most successful version of it had their offensive linemen dive fast or thrust forward low and about knee level at the defensive line. Not a fan of the play.

I have to say you either have to try to go lower or to their level but then you have the QB and players to push him over the top or you try to go over the offensive linemen you will most likely get uprooted.

I am sure this is being studied very hard this offseason and most teams will try this in their playbook as it is legal.

D-lines are automatically at a disadvantage by virtue of there being fewer bigger bodies, and only one of which ordinarily is even the same weight as an O-lineman. And then you have the additional thrust coming from behind the QB. What's needed is for the QB to get crunched between that backside push and a wall of humanity in front of him. As far as I know, it's always been the case that a short yardage attempt is a contest on the front line of who can get lower while getting penetration. To the degree you achieve that defensively, the ball carrier's legs have nowhere to go if he's going straight ahead. It's a given that it's a pick-your-poison thing, but just as teams eventually figured out how to defend the RPO, I'm hard pressed to think there's no way to counter.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

That used to be a penalty for assisting the runner....i have no idea how or why they decided to make it legal. But it should never have due to it is assisting the runner. I feel the only way it goes back to being illegal is when you start seeing injuries to defensive players being steamrolled. A defensive player anchoring his legs in the turf to stop it will likely get it snapped in two. That is money down the drain to owners, hits them where it hurts.

 

[yunkie1970]

It will be banded when some one breaks there neck ,played rugby a couple of years and in scrum or mauls you can get driven to the ground with your neck when somebody is pushing from behind ,ever year they cut the time a scrums formation is moving ,they learned the bad way that it’s dangerous

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Their QB sneak execution was excellent. They get off the line in tandem EXTREMELY well.

Losing one of their starting guards should hurt as should Kelce being that much closer to a corpse.

To have a chance you have to read the snap well and get off the ball similarly fast. Then it is just size and force ie momentum. Mazi helps there a lot as Parsons exclaimed on draft day.

 

[Creeper]

I have a feeling they will use that formation and run some trickery off of it. With everyone on defense focused on the middle of the line they will have Hurts sneak around the outside.

The only way to beat that play is to drive the center and guards backwards. To do that you have to commit 3 big dudes to the middle of the line and they all have to get underneath their offensive counterparts. But that means being vulnerable to other stuff.

 

[Captain43Crash]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

You load up to stop it because it is the easiest play in football. Everybody should be doing it. I hate when Dak turns around and hands the ball off 5 yards behind the LOS on 3rd and a yard or less!

You load up to stop it to force Philly to try something that takes a little more time to develope. Every other play takes more time to develope! Load up to stop it and hope they try something else, then do your job!!!

 

[Captain43Crash]

I have a feeling they will use that formation and run some trickery off of it. With everyone on defense focused on the middle of the line they will have Hurts sneak around the outside.

The only way to beat that play is to drive the center and guards backwards. To do that you have to commit 3 big dudes to the middle of the line and they all have to get underneath their offensive counterparts. But that means being vulnerable to other stuff.

Of course it leaves you a little more vulnerable, but don’t give them the easiest play in football. The Jumbo QB sneak!!

Like you said. Put 3 big bodies inside the G’s. Get a good jump on the ball, get low and at least stale mate. Do not get pushed back. Almost EVERY team gets pushed back.