Stopping the 'Tush Push' (Eagles QB sneak)

[Runwildboys]

I think getting your biggest hardest hitting LB to come over the top and hit the QB like a missile is the way to stop that play

We'd get a 10 yard penalty and a suspension for Zeke... Doesn't matter that he's not on our team anymore.

 

[erod]

It’s a trash play that should be banned.

Why? It's not the Eagles fault that nobody else can seem to do it.

You want to outlaw Jalen Hurts because he's strong?

 

[Toro9]

What is that? Just a blocker running behind the QB and pushing his a$s?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Frankly, I am more concerned about the plays where they run the defense off and Hurts then sprints for big yardage. That play is run more often, and much more of a concern.

 

[_sturt_]

Frankly, I am more concerned about the plays where they run the defense off and Hurts then sprints for big yardage. That play is run more often, and much more of a concern.

It's a concern. But "much more," no. Almost every time they run that sneak, there's a critical 1st down on the other side of it, and a ball-possession consequence on this side of it. And when it's not that, there's a TD on the other side of it, or a FG or ball-possession consequence on this side of it... critical plays that are going to be big positives for one side or the other.

You can give up big plays. You're going to give up big plays. But you can withstand those. You can bend, yet not break, and the big plays become statistics rather than scores. You lose these tush-push plays, though, and a high percentage of them become not just statistics, but scores.

 

[coult44]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

Put in a player you don’t care about to hit the QB late every time they run it. It’s a bush league play and it needs to be dealt with in a bush league way.

 

[ghst187]

Why? It's not the Eagles fault that nobody else can seem to do it.

You want to outlaw Jalen Hurts because he's strong?

Nope, I’m not even blaming the eagles for it. It’s legal, they were smart to use it.
Just saying it’s a trashy, cheap play that is dangerous to player health since OL are chopping at DL knees and it’s garbage for fans to watch. No one wants to see it. They should get rid of it. They changed PI and other rules to increase fan enjoyment, this should be another one.

 

[SuperBowlz]

You cheap shot the heck out of the QB in the scrum.

Nut shots, pulling on the legs, poking the eyes, etc.

All the old school stuff when everyone is piled together.

He may get the first down but make the QB pay a price for it.

The only problem with that is why can't the offensive team just do that right back. It's not like the Eagles would just start crying and falling on the ground injured. They'd just do the same thing back to Parsons etc.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Just have mazi break hurts leg that will stop that **** real quick

 

[SuperBowlz]

Put in a player you don’t care about to hit the QB late every time they run it. It’s a bush league play and it needs to be dealt with in a bush league way.

And again... the Eagles would just get someone to blow out Parsons ACL's while Lane Johnson engages him.

 

[CouchCoach]

There isn't much defense against it and it is a very popular play in college, where it started, and the pros and unless someone gets injured seriously, they won't outlaw it.

 

[Pass2Run]

I'm looking for NFC East defensive coordinators to make that a priority #1 or close to it this training camp. And my Spidey sense says we're gonna start seeing back-up O-linemen employed on defense so that there's a better chance to neutralize the surge. Might even be the case that you take a back-up OL who distinguishes himself in Oxnard as your best D-lineman and give him a place on the 53-man that he otherwise wouldn't have been awarded.

Yes, no, maybe?

Josh Ball, we may have a real role for you yet, son.

Josh Ball likely gets cut, if they're smart. He's useless.

 

[Bagman]

I think getting your biggest hardest hitting LB to come over the top and hit the QB like a missile is the way to stop that play

I agree. A few 30mph collisions with their poster boy ought to scare them off a bit

 

[Praxit]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

..yep, good points there. After seeing it play out few times. It works 98% of the time.

Dont let them go 3rd n inches. If its yard or more. Think it drops to 60%. Not sure though.

 

[Bagman]

Why? It's not the Eagles fault that nobody else can seem to do it.

You want to outlaw Jalen Hurts because he's strong?

Its not successful because Jalen Hurts is strong. Its successful because theres 2 guys behind Hurts PUSHING HIM for the 1st down. Of course Hurts is strong, but he alone can't drive a DT back. Its 4 players at a given point of attack. The lead blocker, ball carrier, and 2 trailers who push. Everyone wets their pants over Hurts' power. Most any QB can execute that play if its successfully blocked

 

[HungryLion]

The only problem with that is why can't the offensive team just do that right back. It's not like the Eagles would just start crying and falling on the ground injured. They'd just do the same thing back to Parsons etc.

They all probably already do. To be honest lol

 

[mcmvp]

It's really hard to stop.
They do it no huddle most of the time, which limits your sub opportunities, and that Oline is just so good.
They get so low and Kelce is just so damn good. He's actually very undersized but just gets how to use leverage and is so high IQ. And then Hurts has great leg strength.
One thing that may be interesting is the loss of Seumalo.
Last year they had Kelce then 2 pro bowl Guards, and both were huge and strong. That combined with getting so low just made them so effective at that play.
Replacing Seumalo with Jurgens could, in theory at least, hurt that paly for them.
Seumalo and Jurgens are listed about the same weight but Seumalo looked a lot bigger than 300 lbs.
Putting the right defender on Jurgens could help stop it, or make it less effective for them at least.

It may not be Jurgens who replaces Seumalo…it may be Tyler Steen. Because Kelce is undersized, they may choose not to have another smallish lineman next to him. Jurgens was really drafted to be Kelce’s replacement… but as long as Kelce is still playing at a high-level, and wants to play… The Eagles will let him

 

[mcmvp]

Its not successful because Jalen Hurts is strong. Its successful because theres 2 guys behind Hurts PUSHING HIM for the 1st down. Of course Hurts is strong, but he alone can't drive a DT back. Its 4 players at a given point of attack. The lead blocker, ball carrier, and 2 trailers who push. Everyone wets their pants over Hurts' power. Most any QB can execute that play if its successfully blocked

I disagree…Jalen’s leg strength is a huge part of it. It failed with Minshew

 

[LonnieElam]

What is that? Just a blocker running behind the QB and pushing his a$s?

Exactly that.

 

[conner01]

It's a hard Play to stop. Our best chance is to limit their opportunities to employ it. Simply put, we need to do a better job of keeping them out of third and short. If you load up to stop it they will just run something else out of that formation.

That’s the key. Don’t let them get in those situations
It’s almost impossible to stop
Now we need to teach our oline to do it as well because the push isn’t really what makes it work. The oline is the key