News: PFT: Cowboys clearly traded for Trey Lance with an eye toward Dak Prescott's future

Mac_MaloneV1

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I hope that it’s not as guaranteed as you think that it is.

If Dak earns it in 2023?

Sure.

Back up the money truck and try to make the finances work.

If not?

Move on and stop paying top market money for a guy not playing up to it.
If you let Dak go, you're paying top money anyway AND don't have a QB.

Even if they were to make Dak a June 1 cut next year, he'd cost ~$25m per year against he cap for the next two.

In 2024, you'd be paying him and Trey Lance ~$30m on the cap and, if Lance is good, closer to $40m the next year, before giving Lance a monster deal (assuming he's any good).

There's just no realistic scenario in which Dak is not extended.
 

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If this is the case, Jerry would have traded for Darnold instead of Lance. Lance couldn't beat out Darnold, but he's replacing Dak?
 

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I hope not. I see no reason to rush things and get into $200 million more.
Well they did that on this past contract and it cost them a boat load as Dak went on to have a pro bowl season. So are they willing to do that again and cough up even more? I guess that's part of the game.
 

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That’s all I’m saying. They have NO NEED to force a contract extension at this point in time. So don’t.

Let 2023 play out.

If he earns it, PAY HIM.

If he doesn’t, DON’T.
It’s crazy how long he is been playing for us and it’s still up in the air if he is worth starting money. I wonder if we brought Lance in to take Rush spot at backup. After the nice play Rush showed when Dak was out JJ maybe able to get a 3rd or his 4th round back for Rush. Get Lance into the back up role and more experience. With a great Defense and really good Offense I see us blowing some teams out. So we will pull Dak and get Lance in there. We cut Grier, can we bring him back on the PS.
 

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Agree with this article, as a Dak fan I hope for the best outcome for him and the team. If he hits the open market will be interesting to see where his story continues and hopefully he gets a chance to land in a good situation.
 

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Well they did that on this past contract and it cost them a boat load as Dak went on to have a pro bowl season. So are they willing to do that again and cough up even more? I guess that's part of the game.
Yep. We could have signed Dak way back before wentz got signed and gotten him cheaper but JJ wanted to let him play out his rookie deal. So it costed more. Now it will cost even more. I for some reason think JJ wants to keep Dak as the starter. Everyone else wants him replaced. But another 15 int season and one and done in the playoffs may change his mind.
 

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If you let Dak go, you're paying top money anyway AND don't have a QB.

Even if they were to make Dak a June 1 cut next year, he'd cost ~$25m per year against he cap for the next two.

In 2024, you'd be paying him and Trey Lance ~$30m on the cap and, if Lance is good, closer to $40m the next year, before giving Lance a monster deal (assuming he's any good).

There's just no realistic scenario in which Dak is not extended.
You just spelled it out.

If Lance shows any signs of being capable by the end of this season, you can move on and you’re ultimately paying $40 million for the quarterback position.

$20 million Less than what Dak’s 2024 hit ALONE would be.
 

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Well they did that on this past contract and it cost them a boat load as Dak went on to have a pro bowl season. So are they willing to do that again and cough up even more? I guess that's part of the game.
If he EARNS IT? Sure. Make the numbers work by cutting elsewhere. It makes gif tough decisions but if you’ve added another trophy it’s worth it.
 

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You just spelled it out.

If Lance shows any signs of being capable by the end of this season, you can move on and you’re ultimately paying $40 million for the quarterback position.

$20 million Less than what Dak’s 2024 hit ALONE would be.
Gonna be hard to show if Lance is capable standing on the sidelines as #3. Gotta have injuries or us blowing teams out early to get him on the field.
 

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You just spelled it out.

If Lance shows any signs of being capable by the end of this season, you can move on and you’re ultimately paying $40 million for the quarterback position.

$20 million Less than what Dak’s 2024 hit ALONE would be.
A $40 million cap hit at QB would be nearly the highest in the league but you'd be depending on Trey Lance.

Right now, you're making the argument that Lance is worth a $40m hit, but Dak isn't. That's ridiculous.
 

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Yep. We could have signed Dak way back before wentz got signed and gotten him cheaper but JJ wanted to let him play out his rookie deal. So it costed more. Now it will cost even more. I for some reason think JJ wants to keep Dak as the starter. Everyone else wants him replaced. But another 15 int season and one and done in the playoffs may change his mind.
I mean, I agree. I think JJ is also mad that Dak won't give a Brady-style discount given how much he makes from all his endorsements, etc. He's not going to get that in another town I don't think. Not nearly as much. The 15 int thing was a fluke, I don't think Dak was comfortable with his receivers last season, can't really blame him. They were garbage. So I really doubt we'll see that this year IMO and it will end up costing Jerry and Cap Boy A LOT-- unless they want to maybe go out and get a Kirk Cousins or someone like that if he is a FA. Lance won't be able to replace Dak for a 2-3 years, realistically. Maybe that is the ultimate plan.
 

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A good and fair article. I have said it before do the Cowboys want to break the bank twice on a quarterback that has brought them zero Super Bowls. Micah is going to be another mess. Look what is going on with Bosa and Jones now. CeeDee is going to be a headache too. If you move on from Dak you should be able to field lots of talent. I just don’t know about the quarterback.
 

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If he EARNS IT? Sure. Make the numbers work by cutting elsewhere. It makes gif tough decisions but if you’ve added another trophy it’s worth it.
Yep. It’s all about getting the trophy and ring. We have a good team this year all the way around. Plenty of options to throw to and run. If our O-Line plays well and holds up. Our Defense should be a beast and roll over teams this year.
 

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I hope that it’s not as guaranteed as you think that it is.

If Dak earns it in 2023?

Sure.

Back up the money truck and try to make the finances work.

If not?

Move on and stop paying top market money for a guy not playing up to it.
I agree with this completely for ALL players.

You draft players for potential, but when their second, third, etc. contracts come into play, teams should pay based on what each player has proven recently, not years earlier or for potential down the road.

If a player (such as Dak in this case) plays great in the regular season AND playoffs, then they deserve a market caliber contract for it.

If not, they either play out their contract or you trade or release them.
 

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I mean, I agree. I think JJ is also mad that Dak won't give a Brady-style discount given how much he makes from all his endorsements, etc. He's not going to get that in another town I don't think. Not nearly as much. The 15 int thing was a fluke, I don't think Dak was comfortable with his receivers last season, can't really blame him. They were garbage. So I really doubt we'll see that this year IMO and it will end up costing Jerry and Cap Boy A LOT-- unless they want to maybe go out and get a Kirk Cousins or someone like that if he is a FA. Lance won't be able to replace Dak for a 2-3 years, realistically. Maybe that is the ultimate plan.
I think the 15 was a fluke also. One of the things I liked about him was he was safe with the ball. He had a fumbling problem when hit for a few years from holding the ball too long. But Dak had Lamb last year and that was it. Gallup wasn’t ready.

JJ had Dak for his while rookie contract and paid him peanuts. Now he wants a team friendly deal. I think brady was about the only qb to really give that much of a discount. A bunch of money is coming and the cap will go way up. I am guessing Parsons will get all he can. I think we can work it all out. If Dak earns the money then pay him. I am not sure he can get that kind of money from other teams. But do you let him test the market. A no trade clause and another clause in his contract also, I can’t remember what it is.
 

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This isn’t any different than past years, Drew Henson etc. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. It’s a gamble from a guy that hasn’t gambled in a long time, Jerry. Even in two years he will still have value as he will only be 25.
 

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I agree with this completely for ALL players.

You draft players for potential, but when their second, third, etc. contracts come into play, teams should pay based on what each player has proven recently, not years earlier or for potential down the road.

If a player (such as Dak in this case) plays great in the regular season AND playoffs, then they deserve a market caliber contract for it.

If not, they either play out their contract or you trade or release them.
Exactly!

I root more for the team than any one player.

And with a salary cap, tough decisions often have to be made.

But huge money has to be earned.
 

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Trey won't be ready by the time Dallas has to renew Dak's contract. $59m next year and I seriously doubt a short contract will lower his CAP hit enough to make it workable for Dallas.
Yep those are the facts- they can't walk from Dak now without destroying the cap. Any idea of this trade as some kind of leverage is just nonsense and not worth the web space it is showing on!
 

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YES. This was a business move, and a smart low risk move.
With a possible huge upside or even another good backup. A QB picked 3rd over all and had only played in 8 games for a 4th round pick. Lol. How could you pass that up. He hasn’t played long enough to know if he is a bust or a super star. I think niners lean on the run game to win more than using a qb arm. We have there qb to much respect in that playoff game. Should have been in his face all day. But was worried about the run.
 
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