Eagles News: “Strong case as one of the worst defenses in football”

[Praxit]

..but wait, I thought the safety they acquired during trade week was suppose to kick it up a notch?

Then what about Shaq the ALL PRO lb they also acquired?

I guess, they didnt see the bigger picture.

 

[doomsday9084]

Lol. Dude, they’ve lost like 7 games in almost 2 seasons… Give the devil it’s due… I think the only one delusional is you. Jk.

I just don’t get how fans continuously, demonize other teams… Or how they always assume that when a team they don’t like wins the close one it was luck… But when they win a close one, it was being clutch. Bottom line, when a team goes 26 and 7, and you call it luck… it may not be fans of the 26 win team that is delusional.

And dude, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. We are very probably going to have to beat them, in Philly, to get to the Super Bowl. And in that rematch, it’ll be them who had the extra rest… if you think that would be a cakewalk for us, then… I don’t know what to tell you…

I was arguing with someone before the game discussing this same thing. Not sure if it was you but I pretty much said "hey, their defense sucks" and I was right.

1. More likely than not, Dallas is the 5 seed, SF the 1 seed. Dallas will go into SF in the divisional round and lose. Won't even play Philly. There is a small chance that Dallas is the 2 seed and Philly #5. In that case, Philly loses to SF in the divisional round. Still won't play them.

2. As I said before the Philly game, they were a good team last year. They are a completely different team this year with 5 starters gone on defense and two new coordinators. They are not a good team this year. They are lucky much like last year's Minnesota team. Baltimore is a good team. SF is a great team. Quite frankly, Buffalo is a good team. I have no issue with giving opponents credit it where its due. With this year's Eagles team, its not due.

 

[Rockport]

The Eagles are 30th in opponent passer rating

Daks torched em twice this year is a big reason.

 

[CCBoy]

I was arguing with someone before the game discussing this same thing. Not sure if it was you but I pretty much said "hey, their defense sucks" and I was right.

1. More likely than not, Dallas is the 5 seed, SF the 1 seed. Dallas will go into SF in the divisional round and lose. Won't even play Philly. There is a small chance that Dallas is the 2 seed and Philly #5. In that case, Philly loses to SF in the divisional round. Still won't play them.

2. As I said before the Philly game, they were a good team last year. They are a completely different team this year with 5 starters gone on defense and two new coordinators. They are not a good team this year. They are lucky much like last year's Minnesota team. Baltimore is a good team. SF is a great team. Quite frankly, Buffalo is a good team. I have no issue with giving opponents credit it where its due. With this year's Eagles team, its not due.

You don't have a problem when the Cowboys have the same 10-3 record that tops the NFC...no, you don't have a problem as long as you can keep talking crap about the Cowboys...and notice no record setting statistics on their own play....Continue singing your We are the Champions of the World for San Francisco.

Christ...what a rotten excuse here.

 

[Pantone282C]

The Eagles are a good team playing very badly - BGN
Not to make excuses, but this schedule has been the most difficult I can ever remember in Eagles’ history. The last stretch that remotely compares was in 2006, when Jeff Garcia had to navigate through three straight road games against divisional opponents in December in order to get to the postseason — and they did it. In the last seven weeks, these Eagles have played the Dolphins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers and Cowboys again. Those opponents have a combined record of 44-20. That’s a winning percentage of .687. They’re a team with older players at key positions and it’s clear the physical and mental toll of this string of games has gassed them. They look like they’ve hit a brick wall, particularly the defense. Last night, they were on the field for 82 snaps. Against the 49ers, they played 72 snaps, the week before in the OT win against the Bills, an insane 95 snaps, and against the Chiefs were on the field for 79.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...ball-philadelphia-nfl-sean-desai-cowboys-game

That is insanely difficult.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Why is this posted here. Can we move on, we’re playing the Bills. This post should be in the NFL zone

 

[bewp7]

they dont really do any thing good

they was really good vs the run but the past month+ they give up a ton of rush yrds, lb are all bad, secondary bad, pass rush is bad last i saw near bottom in win rate

 

[gimmesix]

2023 NFL playoffs: Should the Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, Jags panic? - ESPN+
Let’s keep it simple: The Eagles’ defense is bad. Not bad by last year’s standards. Not bad by Philadelphia’s standards. Not bad by their expectations heading into the season. Not bad by the measure of other Super Bowl contenders. Over this six-game stretch that followed the win over the Dolphins, they have a strong case as one of the worst defenses in football. In the situations that matter most, the Eagles have come up wanting. Since the second Commanders game, Sean Desai’s defense ranks last in third-down conversion rate, allowing opposing teams to move the chains a league-high 54.8% of the time. They’ve also gone 8-for-14 on fourth downs. The Cowboys were right in that ballpark during Sunday’s comfortable victory, going 9-of-16 on third downs and adding a fourth-down conversion on their only try for good measure. Dak Prescott and the Dallas offense were 6-for-8 in the first half, allowing the Cowboys to get out to a 24-6 halftime lead. [...] Most disconcertingly, though, the pass defense feels broken. The 2022 defense approached league records with 70 sacks, and the pass pressure helped produce career seasons for James Bradberry and C.J. Gardner-Johnson in the secondary. There were concerns about how the defense would hold up with changes at the second and third levels, but the Eagles don’t really have a place to hang their hat right now. Over the past six games, they rank 30th in pressure rate, as they’ve bothered opposing quarterbacks just 24.0% of the time. Over that same stretch last season, they were pressuring opposing passers just under 35% of the time, which was the fifth-best mark. They posted a 12.7% sack rate from Week 8 to Week 14 last season, which was comfortably the best in football.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...ball-philadelphia-nfl-sean-desai-cowboys-game

I think it's just a product of playing some of the best offenses in the league. If only the top teams faced each other all the time, they'd all look pretty ordinary because there's not a lot separating them. I mean, we struggled on defense against the 49ers and did not look very good for most of the game against Seattle, either. The only top team our defense looked good against was Philly, and we benefitted from making takeaways.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I'm thinking a lot of this is overreaction, their defense isn't great but in this watered down NFL all the teams have flaws or are just a couple injuries away from being bad,,, especially when playing against great offenses like the Cowboys

I'd like for this to be true though, we need them to lose at least one or two games.

 

[DCwarrior]

Daks torched em twice this year is a big reason.

Cowboys torched them twice this year. It’s a team game remember?!?!

 

[JD_KaPow]

2023 NFL playoffs: Should the Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, Jags panic? - ESPN+
Let’s keep it simple: The Eagles’ defense is bad. Not bad by last year’s standards. Not bad by Philadelphia’s standards. Not bad by their expectations heading into the season. Not bad by the measure of other Super Bowl contenders. Over this six-game stretch that followed the win over the Dolphins, they have a strong case as one of the worst defenses in football. In the situations that matter most, the Eagles have come up wanting. Since the second Commanders game, Sean Desai’s defense ranks last in third-down conversion rate, allowing opposing teams to move the chains a league-high 54.8% of the time. They’ve also gone 8-for-14 on fourth downs. The Cowboys were right in that ballpark during Sunday’s comfortable victory, going 9-of-16 on third downs and adding a fourth-down conversion on their only try for good measure. Dak Prescott and the Dallas offense were 6-for-8 in the first half, allowing the Cowboys to get out to a 24-6 halftime lead. [...] Most disconcertingly, though, the pass defense feels broken. The 2022 defense approached league records with 70 sacks, and the pass pressure helped produce career seasons for James Bradberry and C.J. Gardner-Johnson in the secondary. There were concerns about how the defense would hold up with changes at the second and third levels, but the Eagles don’t really have a place to hang their hat right now. Over the past six games, they rank 30th in pressure rate, as they’ve bothered opposing quarterbacks just 24.0% of the time. Over that same stretch last season, they were pressuring opposing passers just under 35% of the time, which was the fifth-best mark. They posted a 12.7% sack rate from Week 8 to Week 14 last season, which was comfortably the best in football.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...ball-philadelphia-nfl-sean-desai-cowboys-game

Not as bad as the Chargers!

 

[ghst187]

I don’t buy it at all. Their D isn’t that bad. Their DL is pretty good although Cox is getting old and Jordan Davis hasn’t become the monster expected. They also lost Dean. Their secondary and their LBs have been their weakness and if the pass rush doesn’t get home or stop the run, it’s a problem for them. I’d say their D is better than average but has some flaws like most.

 

[Rockport]

Cowboys torched them twice this year. It’s a team game remember?!?!

No it’s all on the QB remember?

 

[Cowboys5217]

Quick question? What was the relative strength of the schedule the years the Cowboys won their 5 Superbowls?

I hate hearing about the strength of the schedule when trying to discount wins. I hate it equally as much when it's used to discount losses. The Eagles are going to lose at least one more game, IMO. Cowboys need to win out.

It was the strongest era in the NFL, and the Cowboys played in the strongest division.

Washington won the SB in 1991, and the Giants did in 1990. We also had to play the team of the 1980s decade who were themselves coming off SBs in 1988 & 1989 in the NFCCG three times in a row, and had to beat one of the strongest 4 year teams of all time in the Bills twice.

 

[doomsday9084]

You don't have a problem when the Cowboys have the same 10-3 record that tops the NFC...no, you don't have a problem as long as you can keep talking crap about the Cowboys...and notice no record setting statistics on their own play....Continue singing your We are the Champions of the World for San Francisco.

Christ...what a rotten excuse here.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I'm arguing with someone and I'm saying that Dallas is the second best team in the NFL and much better than Philadelphia. I'm not the one downtalking the Cowboys. Did you read the exchange?

All I said that "more likely than not" Dallas would lose to SF in SF. Is that something you disagree with? Do you think Dallas would be the favorite in SF?

I suspect that you misread the conversation but perhaps not. Are you one of the people who still thinks Philadelphia is Dallas' equal this year?

 

[CCBoy]

I think it's just a product of playing some of the best offenses in the league. If only the top teams faced each other all the time, they'd all look pretty ordinary because there's not a lot separating them. I mean, we struggled on defense against the 49ers and did not look very good for most of the game against Seattle, either. The only top team our defense looked good against was Philly, and we benefitted from making takeaways.

It is easy for a fan to plug into a generalized view of a star team or a star player. This convenience can throw a fan into a routine of looking for a hero or team they can easily claim as one of the very top in the league of even NFL. Those teams don't stay at that level for long periods of time unless their Head Coach are extremely experienced with levels of success and have a leadership vantage from which to observe and adjust. This is where Mike McCarthy has a start point for success, on a level comparable to an Andy Reid or a Bill Bellichick. They all three have viewed and developed a competitive level, both in talent on team, and sustained talent for retention and increased development on the field during progressive seasons.

If is easy for a fan to judge how his team is doing, by matching them against top and already established teams with success. Some may be longer established, and some may be more recently. Right now, comparisons to San Francisco, Philadelphia, Baltimore. Lions, and a Buffalo...are easy to project from. There a plethora of statistics that one can attach with specific teams and their wins. This doesn't allow a team's fan to know and see progress in it's talents and leadership abilities, both. The team leadership is as important as the actual talents. A lot in game play is lost if the player leadership points don't sustain team standards and rest too much in personality and not on actual functional levels during a game.

There is focus on identifying features in player talents. Then how those abilities are used in developng schemes. That is one aspect of focus for team success.

All teams have competitive levels of players, but there are still individual traits that differentiate how groups interact. Those traits are affected by personal habits as well as how well they retain focus in play and in some progressive skills. The sport is unbelievable harsh on what a person has to sacrifice and work through for personal acclaim and productions.

Statistics, although can indicate just the levels of achievement that is occurring as units as well as against specific opponents. It really isn't as abstract in recognizing team differences as well as success.

A win is significant...not just as a hero worship thing. That is the element that feeds both the team as well as the fan. It is also a general level of differentiation for fans.A gross but fun line for enjoyment of a team in sport. Oh, it is a real element for both fan and a team.

Teams that appear high production as to their base levels are needed by teams for a competitive edge to develop from their play and talents as used. That is why tendencies are relevant. They are not written in stone as to product. This is why coaching is so important. It connects changes between teams as well as a source for how to attack other teams and their progressions at a point in the season.

This is why seasons are important as well as a grind.

What is important for a fan to notice with the Cowboys is the growth of their leadership elements and the achievement of top shelf results. Those are for real and true elements to take note about. This team has good leadership and team productive elements both. The Head Coach, Mike McCarthy, now is a very director for Offensive direction and Talent. He has made a very good quarterback with the inherited talent, Dak Prescott. With him are now CD Lamb, who now is a top shelf competitor and paired with Cooks. High skill players who are able to adjust during a game and with effect. That complies with the new transition in the NFL to a passing dominated sport for football. Mix that in with Ferguson and that is strong in Dallas...with statistics already justify just that view. Right now, the offensive line is sustainable with three very strong elements of the five starters. That being Tyron and Tyler Smiths, and Zach Martin. That is a currently strong aspect as well. The team may need an immediate remake for next season, but this season this group is a valid strength and makes variety successful with an aleady producing very strongly against all the existing talents in the NFL.

The defense is for real finally, and contributes strongly at a top shelf team complimentary level as well. This defense is led by a dominant coach by proven league standards, in Dan Quinn. He handles the intricacies of the box area and is assisted by a very strong secondary coach in Al Harris. Players who have become top shelf in skill levels and also leadership start with Micah Parsons. He already has a ton going for him, and is adding to his leadership through learning to be a step ahead of a league wide attempt at holds. He is top shelf and supported by team producers that includes: DeMarcus Lawrence (10 yrs), Osa Odighizuwa, Trevon Diggs, Stephon Gilmore (12), and DaRon Bland. The safety and linebackers fill in to make style of the defense adaptable and effective. The defensive line and secondary at the strength here. They produce both sacks and turn-overs. A real strength to overcome by all offenses.

Then there is a kicker that now makes all ball movements to the opponent's 40 a scoring drive. That is consistently a great weapon now.

The next four games will be first, productive for the team to grow through. It will push them to remain focused as well as top shelf accountable in the team growth now. The Cowboys are stabilizing both momentum, unit rhythms, and in game momentum adjustments which is the final indicator for very top success.

No doubt about it for the Cowboys' fan. Dallas is a strong and talented team that is able to confront any and all teams that come onto their schedule during regular season and in the playoffs. This should be a time of real focus for both this team and the fan.

No need to be singing the song:
¿Mamacita, donde esta Santa Claus?

(My dear Mother, where is Santa Clause?)
Name calling insults are not for now...

 

[CCBoy]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I'm arguing with someone and I'm saying that Dallas is the second best team in the NFL and much better than Philadelphia. I'm not the one downtalking the Cowboys. Did you read the exchange?

All I said that "more likely than not" Dallas would lose to SF in SF. Is that something you disagree with? Do you think Dallas would be the favorite in SF?

I suspect that you misread the conversation but perhaps not. Are you one of the people who still thinks Philadelphia is Dallas' equal this year?

I have more to base direct with now. I was a soldier. San Francisco beat Dallas, while it was putting together it's own team and standards of mission for players and how things are arranged to attack an opponent.

Myself, I don't care where the conflict breaks out, only that the opponent is set and it's time to take care of business. Most of our wars are fought at another's home. So be it, but fight it will be. I'm not asking for anything else different, but to take 'em on and win!

 

[Beaker42]

I’d love to have Slay in our secondary.

 

[Cowboys1966]

I was arguing with someone before the game discussing this same thing. Not sure if it was you but I pretty much said "hey, their defense sucks" and I was right.

1. More likely than not, Dallas is the 5 seed, SF the 1 seed. Dallas will go into SF in the divisional round and lose. Won't even play Philly. There is a small chance that Dallas is the 2 seed and Philly #5. In that case, Philly loses to SF in the divisional round. Still won't play them.

2. As I said before the Philly game, they were a good team last year. They are a completely different team this year with 5 starters gone on defense and two new coordinators. They are not a good team this year. They are lucky much like last year's Minnesota team. Baltimore is a good team. SF is a great team. Quite frankly, Buffalo is a good team. I have no issue with giving opponents credit it where its due. With this year's Eagles team, it’s not due.

Bill parcels might not agree.

 

[kskboys]

That's what happens when you let a pile of D players go to pay your QB huge. But they got them some WR's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't it funny, not long ago fans on this site were using the Eagles as a barometer, complaining that we didn't go out and sign a bunch of expensive players like they did. Well, this is always the end result. You end up being not as good.