CFZ Why I believe there's no way this is a tear down-rebuild off-season

[Reid1boys]

We are only a month into what is a full six months of the NFL‘s 2024 off-season calendar, and already many Cowboys fans are jumping to conclusions that may not be true. After Jerry’s infamous “All In” comments, many expected big changes in how this team approached the off-season. They of course haven’t surfaced.

And after the disappointing inactivity of this front office early in free agency, the loss of multiple FA starters to other teams, and a seeming willingness to let Dak Prescott play 2024 without a new contract or extension, some fans are seeing this as a “tear down and rebuild”. They see these signs as the team stripping it all down for a new QB, new HC, and rebuilt roster for 2025. In other words, some are seeing all this inactivity as a bigger plan to just clear the decks and start over.

I say there’s no way this FO is doing a tear down-rebuild. Why? Two reasons:

1. In the Jerry Jones era since 1989, this front office has only done two deliberately planned rebuilds: One under Jimmy Johnson from 1989-1992 and the second under Bill Parcells from 2003-2006. The Jones FO has NEVER done a rebuild without a strong HC in charge because they can’t do it. (Anyone who says 2016 was a rebuild- it was an accident- not planned)
2. Jerry and Stephen Jones literally do NOT know how to build a championship contending roster in the cap era. They have never done it. If they could do it, they would have already done it.

I of course could be wrong. Maybe JJ and SJ are spending this off-season just planning a complete re-tooling of this team’s future including a new QB and HC for 2025. But I don’t think so.

In fact, I predict this front office is planning on continuing their some old off-season approach of going cheap in FA, put all your improvement chips on the draft, and at the last minute re-sign the same QB that has gone 36-15 the last 3 regular seasons. I think that is a big mistake and one that will produce the same results we’ve been getting which is a WC playoff win every 4-5 years at best.

I understand why some fans are saying, “Big changes are coming.” I’m saying expect to see more of the same. I don’t like that and I hope I’m wrong. But why would we think the Jones boys suddenly “get it”, when we have three decades of evidence that say otherwise. Since SJ got a bigger say in what happens around here, when was the last big off-season “gamble“ this FO took?

Again, I hope I’m wrong.

I guess you would have to clarify what a championship contending team means? Im pretty sure being the number 1 or 2 seed in the conference automatically makes you a championship contending team.... no matter what someones dislike of the Jones family is. Im pretty sure they have had that a few times.

 

[chuck520]

I guess you would have to clarify what a championship contending team means? Im pretty sure being the number 1 or 2 seed in the conference automatically makes you a championship contending team.... no matter what someones dislike of the Jones family is. Im pretty sure they have had that a few times.

They were never a championship contending this year, maybe the year before or before that. They could not run the ball or stop the run all year but many fans believed the kool aid again and didnt see the obvious holes on the team.
The offense carried the team all year by scoring so many points that it forced teams to pass, if they couldnt score points then the defense couldnt stop anyone.

 

[Bobhaze]

I guess you would have to clarify what a championship contending team means? Im pretty sure being the number 1 or 2 seed in the conference automatically makes you a championship contending team.... no matter what someones dislike of the Jones family is. Im pretty sure they have had that a few times.

In my opinion, a championship contender wins at least two playoff games in a season. Either a wild card and divisional round game or wins a divisional round and then wins a conference championship. That’s pretty close to winning a championship.

Put another way if your team hasn’t won two playoff games in the same year since ‘95, I wouldn’t consider that team a contender. It’s hard to take a team serious that can never win even one a divisional round playoff game.

And btw, I don’t hate the Jones family. I just don’t like the on-field results they get.

 

[chuck520]

In my opinion, a championship contender wins at least two playoff games in a season. Either a wild card and divisional round game or a divisional round and wins a conference championship. That’s pretty close to winning a championship.

Put another way if your team hasn’t won two playoff games in the same year since ‘95, I wouldn’t consider that team a contender. It’s hard to take a team serious who never wins a divisional round playoff game.

That is true and considering how bad this front office is its amazing they have made the playoffs as much as they have. Either sheer luck or players and coaches overcoming the odds.

 

[Bobhaze]

That is true and considering how bad this front office is it’s amazing they have made the playoffs as much as they have. Either sheer luck or players and coaches overcoming the odds.

Here‘s how many times the Cowboys have made the playoffs and some other tidbits of history:

• In the first 29 years in team history (which was the tenure of Tom Landry and Tex Schramm) the Cowboys made the playoffs 18 times (62% of the time)
• In the last 35 years (since Jerry owned the team) the Cowboys have made the playoffs 18 times (51% of the time)
• Cowboys overall playoff record is 36-31.
• Cowboys won 32 playoff games in 29 seasons, between 1967-1995.
• The Cowboys in the last 28 seasons have won 4 playoff games.

 

[chuck520]

Here‘s how many times the Cowboys have made the playoffs and some other tidbits of history:

• In the first 29 years in team history (which was the tenure of Tom Landry and Tex Schramm) the Cowboys made the playoffs 18 times (62% of the time)
• In the last 35 years (since Jerry owned the team) the Cowboys have made the playoffs 18 times (51% of the time)
• Cowboys overall playoff record is 36-31.
• Cowboys won 32 playoff games in 29 seasons, between 1967-1995.
• The Cowboys in the last 28 seasons have won 4 playoff games.

That is my point, its amazing theyve been to the playoffs at all the past 28 years considering the ownership/front office. They either got lucky or the players/coaches overcame the incompetence of the ownership/front office.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Lol. You guys simply don't get it. Or refuse to get it.

There is no way any smart owner or GM would want to get rid of their All Pro QB who has amongst the best regular season career stats than most QBs. Jerry is not that dumb. If you get rid of Dak, I guarantee both CeeDee and Micah will demand to be traded. There is no way they would want to remain here under a new and unproven young QB who would take years to get enough experience, years which CeeDee and Micah can not afford to lose now that they are in their primes.

I’m not a get rid of dak guy nor am I suggesting it but there’s no way those guys are demanding trades as long as they are getting paid. It’s not happening, not right away maybe after a year or 2 of losing.

 

[Reid1boys]

They were never a championship contending this year, maybe the year before or before that. They could not run the ball or stop the run all year but many fans believed the kool aid again and didnt see the obvious holes on the team.
The offense carried the team all year by scoring so many points that it forced teams to pass, if they couldnt score points then the defense couldnt stop anyone.

The Chiefs had holes all year.... I guess they werent a contender.... untilt they were champions.

 

[Reid1boys]

In my opinion, a championship contender wins at least two playoff games in a season. Either a wild card and divisional round game or wins a divisional round and then wins a conference championship. That’s pretty close to winning a championship.

Put another way if your team hasn’t won two playoff games in the same year since ‘95, I wouldn’t consider that team a contender. It’s hard to take a team serious that can never win even one a divisional round playoff game.

And btw, I don’t hate the Jones family. I just don’t like the on-field results they get.

You dont get to decide if a team is a contender or not AFTER the playoffs are over. Once youve lost, you are not a contender.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

We are only a month into what is a full six months of the NFL‘s 2024 off-season calendar, and already many Cowboys fans are jumping to conclusions that may not be true. After Jerry’s infamous “All In” comments, many expected big changes in how this team approached the off-season. They of course haven’t surfaced.

And after the disappointing inactivity of this front office early in free agency, the loss of multiple FA starters to other teams, and a seeming willingness to let Dak Prescott play 2024 without a new contract or extension, some fans are seeing this as a “tear down and rebuild”. They see these signs as the team stripping it all down for a new QB, new HC, and rebuilt roster for 2025. In other words, some are seeing all this inactivity as a bigger plan to just clear the decks and start over.

I say there’s no way this FO is doing a tear down-rebuild. Why? Two reasons:

1. In the Jerry Jones era since 1989, this front office has only done two deliberately planned rebuilds: One under Jimmy Johnson from 1989-1992 and the second under Bill Parcells from 2003-2006. The Jones FO has NEVER done a rebuild without a strong HC in charge because they can’t do it. (Anyone who says 2016 was a rebuild- it was an accident- not planned)
2. Jerry and Stephen Jones literally do NOT know how to build a championship contending roster in the cap era. They have never done it. If they could do it, they would have already done it.

I of course could be wrong. Maybe JJ and SJ are spending this off-season just planning a complete re-tooling of this team’s future including a new QB and HC for 2025. But I don’t think so.

In fact, I predict this front office is planning on continuing their some old off-season approach of going cheap in FA, put all your improvement chips on the draft, and at the last minute re-sign the same QB that has gone 36-15 the last 3 regular seasons. I think that is a big mistake and one that will produce the same results we’ve been getting which is a WC playoff win every 4-5 years at best.

I understand why some fans are saying, “Big changes are coming.” I’m saying expect to see more of the same. I don’t like that and I hope I’m wrong. But why would we think the Jones boys suddenly “get it”, when we have three decades of evidence that say otherwise. Since SJ got a bigger say in what happens around here, when was the last big off-season “gamble“ this FO took?

Again, I hope I’m wrong.

I’m with you Bob. If the moves (or lack thereof) that we have seen so far this offseason were part of a broader 2-3 year plan to rebuild this team, I would have no problem with them.

However, I actually think this isn’t all that different from what we’ve seen time and time again under the Jones family: refuse to tear it down, but refuse to push all the chips in. In other words, accept a mediocre-good team year after year that has slim to no chance or winning it all.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’m not a get rid of dak guy nor am I suggesting it but there’s no way those guys are demanding trades as long as they are getting paid. It’s not happening, not right away maybe after a year or 2 of losing.

Don't kid yourself. Yes, CeeDee and Micah want to get paid but are big time sorelosers. They hate losing, much less be forced to waste their "in their prime" talent years on any young/inexperienced/unproven QB who would need at least 2-3 years to learn and show any growth or not. I'm willing to bet if Dak were cut and someone like Lance were suddenly given the reigns, CeeDee and Micah would want out. That's not including very old vets like Zack Martin and D-Law who most definitely don't want to waste their last few remaining years playing under an unproven young QB who would take several years to see if he could progress to what an All Pro Dak is accomplishing right now.

 

[zekecowboy]

They see Diggs and Overshown coming back.

They see Bass and Hoffman in starting roles.

They see Tolbert replacing Gallup and more.

They see Sam Williams and Fehoko filling in nicely into the rotation.

The problem is GM Jethro is an overly optimistic gambler, who does not have any contingency plans.

Who is the swing tackle and what happens if Tyler Smith gets hurt? I suspect that Jimmy may have a little more influence than one realizes. Also, this is the best time for Dallas to do a REBUILD. Why are all of the coaching contracts one year???

 

[CTcowboy203]

Don't kid yourself. Yes, CeeDee and Micah want to get paid but are big time sorelosers. They hate losing, much less be forced to waste their "in their prime" talent years on any young/inexperienced/unproven QB who would need at least 2-3 years to learn and show any growth or not. I'm willing to bet if Dak were cut and someone like Lance were suddenly given the reigns, CeeDee and Micah would want out. That's not including very old vets like Zack Martin and D-Law who most definitely don't want to waste their last few remaining years playing under an unproven young QB who would take several years to see if he could progress to what an All Pro Dak is accomplishing right now.

No offense but you’re just wrong. These guys want to win yes, but most aren’t beating themselves up every single day about it and losing sleep over it. Fans care more than most players despite what you want to admit or believe. I’ve been surrounded by professional athletes my entire adult life, friends who have won championships and played at elite levels in their respective sports. the % of players who care as much as you think is much lower than we’d all want to believe sadly.

You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. They would take the bag here first see how things play out and then demand a trade. The cowboys are already telling Zack Martin and d law we don’t care about your prime years with their roster construction and Micah already stated this offseason he wanted more talent and they haven’t listened.

They’d absolutely stay to get their money.

 

[Bobhaze]

You dont get to decide if a team is a contender or not AFTER the playoffs are over. Once youve lost, you are not a contender.

I agree with you Reid. Three decades of history have shown us the Cowboys haven’t been contenders for a long time.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No offense but you’re just wrong. These guys want to win yes, but most aren’t beating themselves up every single day about it and losing sleep over it. Fans care more than most players despite what you want to admit or believe. I’ve been surrounded by professional athletes my entire adult life, friends who have won championships and played at elite levels in their respective sports. the % of players who care as much as you think is much lower than we’d all want to believe sadly.

You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. They would take the bag here first see how things play out and then demand a trade. The cowboys are already telling Zack Martin and d law we don’t care about your prime years with their roster construction and Micah already stated this offseason he wanted more talent and they haven’t listened.

They’d absolutely stay to get their money.

You're not listening to Micah or CeeDee. Yes, they want to get paid but know they could get paid anywhere else. They want to win right now in Dallas. So do D-Law and Zack Martin. They know full well that won't happen with Trey Lance or some rookie QB.

 

[Jayinem]

Who can predict what Jerry will do regardless of how the leaves are blowing. Keep in mind that most people retire in their 70's or even 60's and there's a reason for that. People's minds just usually aren't as sharp in their 80's. It's not something I'm trying to make fun of him about it's just a fact.

 

[Kwyn]

We are only a month into what is a full six months of the NFL‘s 2024 off-season calendar, and already many Cowboys fans are jumping to conclusions that may not be true. After Jerry’s infamous “All In” comments, many expected big changes in how this team approached the off-season. They of course haven’t surfaced.

some fans are seeing this as a “tear down and rebuild”. They see these signs as the team stripping it all down for a new QB, new HC, and rebuilt roster for 2025. In other words, some are seeing all this inactivity as a bigger plan to just clear the decks and start over.

I say there’s no way this FO is doing a tear down-rebuild. Why? Two reasons:

Why you gotta do us like that @Bobhaze ?

It’s the off season.

Can’t we just dream for a little bit?

 

[Chasing6]

Who is the swing tackle and what happens if Tyler Smith gets hurt? I suspect that Jimmy may have a little more influence than one realizes. Also, this is the best time for Dallas to do a REBUILD. Why are all of the coaching contracts one year???

We don't need no stinking swing tackle.

 

[mugsybows]

In 30 years when both Jerry and Stephen are deceased maybe we’ll have a shot.

 

[Chasing6]

Lo popped on

In 30 years when both Jerry and Stephen are deceased maybe we’ll have a shot.

Well depending how old you are, you may want to pick a new team.

Little stephen does not have any male son's?