Twitter: Hip drop tackle banned

Cowboys5217

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I don't think a lot of people understand how dangerous this tackle is. The offensive player is very lucky if they don't end up with a torn up knee or ankle when getting tackled with a hip drop. Like you said, if the person tackles properly they won't have a problem getting the other player down.
Stop exaggerating. This technique has been around as long as football has. It has been used literally millions of times at all levels and the vast majority of the time it is safe and there are no injuries as a result.
 

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You don't see the tackle very often so there shouldn't be too many instances of it becoming an issue. However, when the tackle does happen then most of the time the offensive player is lying on the turf with a hurt ankle or knee. It's a pretty obvious tackling technique and should be easy to spot. The majority of players in the NFL tackle properly so i don't see it becoming an issue. .
I would disagree with you there. I think we see hip drops multiple times every single game, but we only really notice the ones where players aren't getting up. If the refs want they could absolutely call it several times a game no problem.

Hopefully the ones they end up calling are just the extreme cases like you're describing.
 

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“Personal foul, number 11 of the Cowboys. Penalized 15 yards for playing football. That’s an automatic fiiiirrrrsssttt dooooowwwwnnnn!!”
 

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I would disagree with you there. I think we see hip drops multiple times every single game, but we only really notice the ones where players aren't getting up. If the refs want they could absolutely call it several times a game no problem.

Hopefully the ones they end up calling are just the extreme cases like you're describing.
They had to go back three years to show a Cowboy make that tackle. Former Cowboy Keanu Neal.


 

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We possibly lost games against SF and Seattle or almost lost that, can't remember. with them using this method to injure our players.
Both changed the shape of the game. Not saying we would have won, but it sure did change things for the worse for our offense when Pollard went down.

Hurd and Pollard both with broken ankles.

SF is a dirty team.
 

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Stop exaggerating. This technique has been around as long as football has. It has been used literally millions of times at all levels and the vast majority of the time it is safe and there are no injuries as a result.
We can agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure the competition committee isn't just making rules to make rules. Most of the tackles you are seeing probably aren't true hip drop tackles. The tackler has to intentionally spin themselves around and drop his hip into the area below the knees. It is the process of doing it below the knees and allowing their weight to crash down in that area. Most of the tackles I see the player drops the hip into the thigh area (above the knee) which will still be legal.

I bet there won't be 10 or 15 of these called all year. In the end people are exaggerating how much this tackle is being used as defined by the NFL. People thought taking the horse collar tackle out of the game was going to have a big impact and we would see a lot of penalties from it. There were 289 games played last year and only 15 horse collar penalties called.
 

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They had to go back three years to show a Cowboy make that tackle. Former Cowboy Keanu Neal.



I promise you they didn't have to go back three years. Even in the video you shared they say in there how often they estimate the tackle to happen and it's every game. They mention it around the 30 second mark. It actually seems low to me, but they might be specifically referencing the hip drop with a swivel move as defined by the new rule and not every variation of the hip drop/pull back style tackle, I can't say for sure.
 

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I would disagree with you there. I think we see hip drops multiple times every single game, but we only really notice the ones where players aren't getting up. If the refs want they could absolutely call it several times a game no problem.

Hopefully the ones they end up calling are just the extreme cases like you're describing.
Just to be clear. To be labeled a hip drop tackle by the NFL definition there has to be 2 things happen. 1) The defender has to spin or swing so his hips are going in to the back of the legs of the offensive guy, 2) The hip has to make contact with the offensive player below the knees.

I think most of the fans are seeing players do the first part but the defender is actually hitting the offensive player above the knees which will still be legal. I will be shocked if we see more than 15 flags thrown on this all year long.
 

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We can agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure the competition committee isn't just making rules to make rules. Most of the tackles you are seeing probably aren't true hip drop tackles. The tackler has to intentionally spin themselves around and drop his hip into the area below the knees. It is the process of doing it below the knees and allowing their weight to crash down in that area. Most of the tackles I see the player drops the hip into the thigh area (above the knee) which will still be legal.

I bet there won't be 10 or 15 of these called all year. In the end people are exaggerating how much this tackle is being used as defined by the NFL. People thought taking the horse collar tackle out of the game was going to have a big impact and we would see a lot of penalties from it. There were 289 games played last year and only 15 horse collar penalties called.
For the most part I think this is right. Most likely there is a major emphasis to call it early on and as the season goes it's less and less until it's maybe called once a week among all games in the league.

My guess is guys can get away with it as long as they dont land on the ball carriers legs, but we will see how the NFL calls it.
 

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Just to be clear. To be labeled a hip drop tackle by the NFL definition there has to be 2 things happen. 1) The defender has to spin or swing so his hips are going in to the back of the legs of the offensive guy, 2) The hip has to make contact with the offensive player below the knees.

I think most of the fans are seeing players do the first part but the defender is actually hitting the offensive player above the knees which will still be legal. I will be shocked if we see more than 15 flags thrown on this all year long.
Yeah and as I read back over my initial post I worded it kinda poorly from what I was actually trying to say. I see tons of hip drop style tackles throughout the year, but not all of those will fall under what this rule is trying to prevent. I agree that very few will be called overall, what I think will happen is defenders will adjust the technique to avoid falling on the legs of the ball carrier. I think if anything fans will be upset about the number of non calls on this rule when they feel their player was tackled with a hip drop.
 

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If you have to be dragged, you are not tackling correctly. At that point, either trip them with your hands or possibly lose out on the tackle. It's still no excuse to grab the upper body and lunge your body into a ball carrier's legs.
Yeah the horse collar and the hip drop are both bad techniques. I could see why a player like Roy Williams would use the horse collar because he was so damn strong he could break a ballcarrier in half with one hand. Much as I hated what it did to Roy I recognize and accept that it's better gone from the game. The hip drop is the opposite. It allows a smaller (weaker) player to use his body weight on the legs of the ballcarrier to bring him down. If this rule had been in place in 2020 we might not have lost Dak and in 2022 we might have had Pollard for the whole playoff game. So this is that rare case where a rule change might BENEFIT the Cowboys. Expect it to be repealed within two weeks if it ever helps us win a game.
 

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Good! It's long overdue. That cattle wrangling type of "tackling" was breaking legs and tearing too many tendons. Ending careers as well. That's not how you're taught to tackle. The sport of football will be better and safer for it.
:hammer:Cheap tactics by cheats. Man up and play the game like a real sportsman.
 
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