Should our focus turn to the OL with these recent hires?

[gtb1943]

I agree 100% but my thing is lets see what the new coaching staff can do with him before giving up on him at LT. All rookies struggles a bit so my thinking has always been giving them a freeby. I believe it was Landry, as well as most coaches say talked about players improvement by their second year and the third you know what you have.
Having said that, I admitt a raw player who is mentally soft is not a good combination at all but he deserves his chance. BUT, his a____ is on a short leash (lol).

we got spoiled by Zack and Fredbeard coming out of the blocks and wiping people. Even Tyron at RT did very well his first year.

 

[gtb1943]

RT is still a premium position in the modern NFL. It's not giving up on Guyton to move him to where he played in college, it's giving up on Steele and his millions saved against the cap post June 1.

You do not want to move Smith from a position where he is an ALL PRO; so if you move Guyton then you are pretty much giving the job to Richards. HE has shown promise but is he ready for that full time?

 

[baltcowboy]

Clearly Brian Schott is looking to fix the running game in a big way with the two recent hires and I love it! Stuck in the 90's team prior history for way too many years, now they are finally bringing in a modern rushing scheme that should get everyone excited. We are well aware they add at least 1 legitimate running back, but what about the Offensive Line?

-Status of Zach Martin still remains in the air as he is trying to get back healthy. Odds are that he indeed with retire, which leaves a big hole at RG the power running side.
-Terrence Steele might be safe now as his best attribute is as a high level run blocker. We saw once Martin went down, cause he was real banged up, how the running game improved.
-I believe Beebe remains our Center due to who we face in the division, but also the lack of quality centers in this year's class. Hoffman could be an option, but he is real light compared to the DT's he will have to face.
-Tyler Smith is our best lineman period, but does offer positional flex that our new staff covets.
-The biggest question mark is Tyler Guyton, who struggled to stay healthy and was benched cause of his penalty issues. They aren't going to give up on a 1st rd pick so quickly, but need a plan if he shows no improvement.

They could target a G/T who can start day 1 inside and kick outside in case of injury or poor performance. With Guyton's penalties and Steele's issues as a pass protector this would be an insurance policy but also can fill a starting need right away.

One thing we should keep in mind is that we need mobile lineman, cause Adams pulled his lineman 2nd most in the league last yr.

I think the offensive line won’t be a focus when it comes to drafting. I think Adams and Riley job will be to coach up the kids then develop a scheme that fits our talent. Smith and Guyton are very athletic. You want those guys in space. I think Martin is gone even if he wants to play another year. The Cowboys left side is two first round picks, let’s see what the coaches can get get out of them.

 

[Cowboyny]

I wish they give the same attention to the defensive line which they have ignored for a decade

 

[TheDank]

You do not want to move Smith from a position where he is an ALL PRO; so if you move Guyton then you are pretty much giving the job to Richards. HE has shown promise but is he ready for that full time?

Alternatively, Tyler Smith might (I think he would) be a pro bowl tackle, which is more valuable. In the hypothetical we're moving Guyton though I was thinking more along the line of drafting Banks.

Overall I wouldn't actually make moves on the line outside of adding a RG (Becton or Hernandez), but if the right prospect is available I don't think there's any reason to be afraid to move our guys. Part of the reason this FO liked them was versatility.

 

[baltcowboy]

I wish they give the same attention to the defensive line which they have ignored for a decade

Well Parsons and Mazi are first round picks.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They aren't going to give up on a 1st rd pick so quickly, but need a plan if he shows no improvement.

Oh brother. He was raw and needed work when he was drafted. Give him a full off season and you will notice a difference in September.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Richards could be competition for Guyton

Steele not Guyton.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wish they give the same attention to the defensive line which they have ignored for a decade

In just the first 4 rounds, there has been A LOT of draft capital (12 picks) spent on the DL the last 10 years including 2 1st rounders.

Kneeland – 2
Smith – 1
Fehoko – 4
Williams – 2
Osa – 3
Golston – 3
Gallimore – 3
Hill – 2
Armstrong – 4
Charlton – 1
Collins – 3
Tapper - 4

 

[gtb1943]

In just the first 4 rounds, there has been A LOT of draft capital (12 picks) spent on the DL the last 10 years including 3 1st rounders.

Kneeland – 2
Smith – 1
Fehoko – 4
Williams – 2
Osa – 3
Golston – 3
Gallimore – 3
Hill – 1
Armstrong – 4
Charlton – 1
Collins – 3
Tapper - 4

how many of them inside? real DTs?
The real problem is that as good as they have been overall with O line picks, for some reason DL and especially DT they truly suck

 

[gtb1943]

Alternatively, Tyler Smith might (I think he would) be a pro bowl tackle, which is more valuable. In the hypothetical we're moving Guyton though I was thinking more along the line of drafting Banks.

Overall I wouldn't actually make moves on the line outside of adding a RG (Becton or Hernandez), but if the right prospect is available I don't think there's any reason to be afraid to move our guys. Part of the reason this FO liked them was versatility.

You put a player where he plays best. Tyler has proven he is All Pro at Guard. He MIGHT make it to the Pro Bowl at tackle but it certainly is not a sure thing.

 

[Cowboyny]

Well Parsons and Mazi are first round picks.

Parsons was drafted as an off the ball linebacker

 

[Cowboyny]

In just the first 4 rounds, there has been A LOT of draft capital (12 picks) spent on the DL the last 10 years including 3 1st rounders.

Kneeland – 2
Smith – 1
Fehoko – 4
Williams – 2
Osa – 3
Golston – 3
Gallimore – 3
Hill – 1
Armstrong – 4
Charlton – 1
Collins – 3
Tapper - 4

Hill wasn’t a first rounder and both Michigan players were at the end of the rd and had 2nd rd grades

 

[TheDank]

You put a player where he plays best. Tyler has proven he is All Pro at Guard. He MIGHT make it to the Pro Bowl at tackle but it certainly is not a sure thing.

Don't know if you don't try. He certainly looked the part in spot play against Pittsburg. This board is so scared lol.

 

[baltcowboy]

Parsons was drafted as an off the ball linebacker

Parson became a defensive end though. Then you have 2nd round picks in Sam and Kneeland. The Cowboys have just either haven’t developed the linemen or have drafted bad ones. Osa and Gholston as third round picks earned big contracts. The problem is we compare the Cowboys to the Eagles. They would have brought in a couple of free agents to go along with the picks. Can you imagine are defensive line with some free agents with them.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Steele not Guyton.

He could easily be competition for Guyton at LT. He played 177 snaps at LT and did much better as a pass protector than as a run blocker. He might be suited to the right where there is a critical need to be a strong run blocker. Richards could wind up on the left side with Guyton on the right

 

[gtb1943]

Don't know if you don't try. He certainly looked the part in spot play against Pittsburg. This board is so scared lol.

I have only seen one player have an ALL Pro Year at both LT and Guard and that was Larry Allen.
So with all due respect, Tyler is not LA.
There was a reason he was left inside and then they drafted a LT. You might want to think about that.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Parsons was drafted as an off the ball linebacker

Well......yes and no
They knew what they were getting .........in fact, Jerry was not on board drafting him initially coz just what you mentioned. He thought they drafting an off ball LBer until scouts and coaches convinced him otherwised.

Micah Parsons isn’t just going to play MIKE for the Dallas Cowboys, he’s also going to play edge rusher​

Jerry spoke to reporters shortly after drafting Micah Parsons and he had this to say,

"“Pressure, pressure, pressure,” Jones said. “Same kind of thought you’d have if you were looking at the best outside pass-rusher. Because he might be.”"

Micah Parsons may be playing some MIKE for the Dallas Cowboys in 2021 but we expect a whole lot more pass rushing from him than your normal middle linebacker. And I’m not talking about blitzing, I’m talking about rushing off the edge.

Micah Parsons: The pass-rusher​

Perhaps it’s wishful thinking or just a stubborn refusal to accept our beloved franchise invested a top-12 pick in an off-ball linebacker, but there’s reason to believe Micah Parsons will be doing a whole lot more than play a low value position like MIKE every week.

Middle linebacker is important, don’t get me wrong. Much like a running back, the MIKE serves an important role on every team. It’s just, also like a running back, 90% of even a great player’s production can be filled with replacement level talent.

That’s why using Micah Parsons as just a MIKE would be a colossal waste of talent. It would be like bringing in the nation’s top neurosurgeon to re-grout your on-suite bathroom. The grout is important, indeed, you just don’t need someone as special as a neurosurgeon to do it for you.


Obviously, Micah Parsons is the neurosurgeon in that analogy. Parsons is a supremely talented football player. He can do things 99% of NFL players simply cannot. That’s how special he is. He’s bigger, stronger, and faster than just about anyone else. And his ability to run and chase is almost as impressive as his ability to rush the passer.

Rushing the passer isn’t just a more valuable skill set than playing MIKE, it’s also a much rarer skill that better utilizes Parsons’ talents. In fact, his ability to rush the passer is exactly what Jerry Jones spoke of after drafting Parsons.

Related Story: 5 Ways for the Cowboys to generate more interior pressure


Jones stated Parsons was Dallas’ top rated defender more for his pass-rushing ability than coverage and he might be the best outside pass-rusher in the class. Mike McCarthy later said Parsons was the most impactful player at applying pressure in the draft

 

[Mr_437]

Today, I've watched plenty Arizona n Kansas St. run game and blocking scheme. It kinda looks the same, so I think these two OL coaches will work well together. Lots of pulls and trap blocks...fun stuff. The OL have to be athletic and work well in space. I don't believe the Cowboys need to draft an OL, but I expect them too.

Just a few points before the coaches pour over the tape and get a plan.

1. Where will Beebe play? He's a good Center, but Riley never played him at Center in college. Also, Cardinals had a fluid mover at Center, and Beebe's body type favored their OGs. Still think BB can play Center tho.

2. Hoffman can play OG in this scheme and be fine.

3. TE blocking is going to be even more important.

4. I think the OTs, in house, should be fine too. However, I trust these coaches to evaluate properly.

 

[Mr_437]

Stock up:
Brock Hoffman
Nathan Thomas
Cooper Beebe
TJ Bass
Terrence Steele
Spann-Ford
Hunter Luepke