We can do what Philly did - Keep the Faith

Since Nick Sirianni (a.k.a. ****** Face) became head coach of the Eagles, he has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning one in his 4th year. His team has been in the playoffs every year. Yes, the coach we say is a joke, the coach we--me included--like to make fun of, has a 48-20 record, a .706 win%. How?

Let's take a look at the 2024 Eagles starting Super Bowl roster, a few key depth pieces, and see if we can find any similarity to our current roster. Listed for each player is draft position if drafted by the team.

Jalen Hurts—rd 2 (53)

Devonta Smith—rd 1 (10)

Dallas Goedart—rd 2 (49)

Jalen Carter—rd 1 (9)

Jordan Davis—rd 1 (13)

Josh Sweat—rd 4 (130)

Jordan Mailata—rd 7 (233)

Cam Jurgens—rd 2 (51)

Landon Dickerson—rd 2 (37)

Lane Johnson—rd 1 (4)

Nolan Smith—rd 1 (30)

Nakobe Dean—rd 3 (83)

Milton Williams—rd 3 (73)

Cooper Dejean—rd 2 (40) Rookie

Quinyon Mitchell—rd 1 (22) Rookie

Reed Blankenship—UDFA

Mehki Becton—FA bust

Zack Baun—FA never given a chance

AJ Brown—Trade

Saquan Barkley—FA

Darius Slay—FA

CJGJ—FA



Depth pieces that contributed:

Brandon Graham—rd 1 (13)

Moro Ojomo—rd 7 (249)

Jalyx Hunt—rd 3 (94) Rookie

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.—rd 5 (155) Rookie

Kenneth Gainwell—rd 5 (155)

Now before anyone points this out, yes, there is one constant here. Other than Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham, both Andy Reid picks, the entire team was assembled by Howie Roseman. So let's get this out of the way now: Howie Roseman is great at his job, despite some posters here saying that he is just average, gets lucky, and is in fact no better than any other GM. I'm sorry for saying this, but anyone at this point that still believes this is simply a fool.

Roster analysis shows a few interesting points. One is that Roseman knows when to trade back and get extra picks. He is not afraid to double down on certain positions, i.e. DT, or take the BPA despite already having quality at that position--something a few posters here would gag at. What he can't get in the draft, he gets through trades (Titans can go to hell for AJ Brown) or by pulling the trigger on FA signings big and small. He does what he can to plug every hole on the team with quality or players that he believes his coaches can coach up (Becton, Baun). Owner Jeff Lurie generally doesn't meddle with the draft, but it is interesting to note that Lurie pushed to draft Jalen Hurts because he believed he could be the next Russell Wilson (prime Russ, of course). The coaching staff also gives lower round picks a real chance if they see potential. When was the last time we had a Super Bowl winning team with two 7th round picks being major contributors besides the Chiefs?

I was bored and went back to see what we were saying about the Eagles before the season started. No one here thought the Eagles would win the Super Bowl, although many believed they would win the NFCE. Here are some other opinions by some posters, many of whom I like on this forum:

--Barkley is washed and that contract will kill them
--Steele will be better than Lane Johnson (I'm not outing this guy)
--Sirianni is an (insert insult here) and will soon be out of the league
--Roseman is fool's gold
--The loss of Kelce begins the decline of the Eagles
--Jalen Hurts sucks and his contract is almost as bad as Dak's
--Jalen Hurts is on his 7th OC in a row and will suck (the OC part is true, going back to college!)
--Darius Slay is old and can't play anymore
--They have no linebackers
--Nakobe Dean is a bust
--Nolan Smith is a bust
--Jordan Davis is a bust

On the flip side, there were more than a few posters saying the opposite, that those players are learning and the Eagles will always be a good team because they build from the trenches out. Many of us say this today, me included, as I am a huge advocate of inside/outside team building.

So what does any of this have to do with our own team? Let's look at our roster.

There is a lot of angst over our offensive line, with many opinions being tossed out daily. Do we have the talent the Eagles or Lions line does? No, of course not. But we have talent that can be put to use with proper coaching. We don't have a long-time vet like Johnson as a stable force, but Tyler Smith has emerged as our top notch vet talent. He is one of the best in the league at his position, and is a piece to build around. We see Beebe can be a PB caliber player once he develops. Will he be Creed Humphrey, Frank Ragnow, or Cam Jurgens? I don't know, but I see him reaching into the top five in two years. Let's not forget that Jurgens was thrown into the fire day one as a guard, playing next to and learning from Kelce for two years. Beebe didn't have that advantage but shows great promise.

Bottom line: Smith and Beebe will be the foundation of a very good line for us. We have raw talent to develop and still have the draft. Get tackle figured out and we will be fine. If the BPA is a tackle, don't say "Hey, we drafted one last year." No!!!! Take the player. How do you think teams like Philly, Detroit, and Baltimore got to have such good o-lines?? We can do the same.

Defensive line is a bit different. We have a lot of players to rotate in and out. How many DT's do we have that are real difference makers? Zero. Nada. If the BPA up is a DT, I don't care if we need a RB, WR, or edge. Fix the damn middle of the d-line! Yeah, there is no Jalen Carter to trade up for, but the DT rotation that won the last Super Bowl had two 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th! It doesn't matter how many shiny pieces you have on the outside if the middle of the trenches keep getting curb stomped against good teams.

Bottom line: It will take 2-3 years to get this team into anything resembling a team that has a chance to get to the NFCCG. It cannot be done without making sure both of our lines can compete with the best teams out there. If we have to spend half of the next two drafts on the lines, do it. If we have to double down on line positions, do it. It has to be done right or nothing else matters. Simply put, the majority of the teams that go deep in the playoffs have at least solid lines. We should too. It is no accident that the team that most resembles the 1992 Cowboys is the 2024 Eagles.

Now, do you trust our front office to do what is necessary? Do you believe in our coaching to get it done with the players we have?

I have a lot to say about other parts of the team, team building and coaching, but I have already written too much. I'll leave the super long posts to our resident novelist.
Yup. Until we fix the DLine, nothing else we do will matter. Need 2 new starters.
 
No I am not wrong, we don’t have bad players, I never said that, so rereading the post should help you.
I am pretty sure that there was a time you thought he was the best owner and GM , . But since you don’t know how football works the bottom line is it still comes down to the players. You can blame the culture on Jerry all you want but if those guys really want to win they can do y
Jerry was the best GM when he hired a great HC and got out of the way.

No, they can't. Because we are left w/ gaping holes due to Jerry.
 
First off to the original poster…great post!

I wouldn’t even classify the Dallas Cowboys as a football organization; it is a marketing brand, not run by a competent football GM, but by a master marketer named Jerry Jones.

The environment created is not conducive to creating a winning environment; it is not dedicated to football; it is more about making money and making the Forbes list of most valuable sports franchises. Yes…the Cowboys won 12 games three-years straight and appear to have been satisfied with their results despite not doing anything in the playoffs and maintaining mediocrity over the past 29 years. Would Jimmy Johnson accept that performance? We all know the answer to that question. But Johnson, or someone like him will never be a HC of the Cowboys.

The players, in the aggregate, lack leadership. Look at the teams who are successful and constantly play in the postseason; they have players who are leaders, who set the tone for team, who hold their teammates accountable as well as themselves for poor play. There is no Aikman, Irvin, Smith or Witten to lead this team and set the standard for being a Cowboy; instead Dallas has Prescott, Lamb and Micah who aren’t even close in comparison.

This team will never play at a high level so long as a Jones is in-charge.
 
Since Nick Sirianni (a.k.a. ****** Face) became head coach of the Eagles, he has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning one in his 4th year. His team has been in the playoffs every year. Yes, the coach we say is a joke, the coach we--me included--like to make fun of, has a 48-20 record, a .706 win%. How?

Let's take a look at the 2024 Eagles starting Super Bowl roster, a few key depth pieces, and see if we can find any similarity to our current roster. Listed for each player is draft position if drafted by the team.

Jalen Hurts—rd 2 (53)

Devonta Smith—rd 1 (10)

Dallas Goedart—rd 2 (49)

Jalen Carter—rd 1 (9)

Jordan Davis—rd 1 (13)

Josh Sweat—rd 4 (130)

Jordan Mailata—rd 7 (233)

Cam Jurgens—rd 2 (51)

Landon Dickerson—rd 2 (37)

Lane Johnson—rd 1 (4)

Nolan Smith—rd 1 (30)

Nakobe Dean—rd 3 (83)

Milton Williams—rd 3 (73)

Cooper Dejean—rd 2 (40) Rookie

Quinyon Mitchell—rd 1 (22) Rookie

Reed Blankenship—UDFA

Mehki Becton—FA bust

Zack Baun—FA never given a chance

AJ Brown—Trade

Saquan Barkley—FA

Darius Slay—FA

CJGJ—FA



Depth pieces that contributed:

Brandon Graham—rd 1 (13)

Moro Ojomo—rd 7 (249)

Jalyx Hunt—rd 3 (94) Rookie

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.—rd 5 (155) Rookie

Kenneth Gainwell—rd 5 (155)

Now before anyone points this out, yes, there is one constant here. Other than Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham, both Andy Reid picks, the entire team was assembled by Howie Roseman. So let's get this out of the way now: Howie Roseman is great at his job, despite some posters here saying that he is just average, gets lucky, and is in fact no better than any other GM. I'm sorry for saying this, but anyone at this point that still believes this is simply a fool.

Roster analysis shows a few interesting points. One is that Roseman knows when to trade back and get extra picks. He is not afraid to double down on certain positions, i.e. DT, or take the BPA despite already having quality at that position--something a few posters here would gag at. What he can't get in the draft, he gets through trades (Titans can go to hell for AJ Brown) or by pulling the trigger on FA signings big and small. He does what he can to plug every hole on the team with quality or players that he believes his coaches can coach up (Becton, Baun). Owner Jeff Lurie generally doesn't meddle with the draft, but it is interesting to note that Lurie pushed to draft Jalen Hurts because he believed he could be the next Russell Wilson (prime Russ, of course). The coaching staff also gives lower round picks a real chance if they see potential. When was the last time we had a Super Bowl winning team with two 7th round picks being major contributors besides the Chiefs?

I was bored and went back to see what we were saying about the Eagles before the season started. No one here thought the Eagles would win the Super Bowl, although many believed they would win the NFCE. Here are some other opinions by some posters, many of whom I like on this forum:

--Barkley is washed and that contract will kill them
--Steele will be better than Lane Johnson (I'm not outing this guy)
--Sirianni is an (insert insult here) and will soon be out of the league
--Roseman is fool's gold
--The loss of Kelce begins the decline of the Eagles
--Jalen Hurts sucks and his contract is almost as bad as Dak's
--Jalen Hurts is on his 7th OC in a row and will suck (the OC part is true, going back to college!)
--Darius Slay is old and can't play anymore
--They have no linebackers
--Nakobe Dean is a bust
--Nolan Smith is a bust
--Jordan Davis is a bust

On the flip side, there were more than a few posters saying the opposite, that those players are learning and the Eagles will always be a good team because they build from the trenches out. Many of us say this today, me included, as I am a huge advocate of inside/outside team building.

So what does any of this have to do with our own team? Let's look at our roster.

There is a lot of angst over our offensive line, with many opinions being tossed out daily. Do we have the talent the Eagles or Lions line does? No, of course not. But we have talent that can be put to use with proper coaching. We don't have a long-time vet like Johnson as a stable force, but Tyler Smith has emerged as our top notch vet talent. He is one of the best in the league at his position, and is a piece to build around. We see Beebe can be a PB caliber player once he develops. Will he be Creed Humphrey, Frank Ragnow, or Cam Jurgens? I don't know, but I see him reaching into the top five in two years. Let's not forget that Jurgens was thrown into the fire day one as a guard, playing next to and learning from Kelce for two years. Beebe didn't have that advantage but shows great promise.

Bottom line: Smith and Beebe will be the foundation of a very good line for us. We have raw talent to develop and still have the draft. Get tackle figured out and we will be fine. If the BPA is a tackle, don't say "Hey, we drafted one last year." No!!!! Take the player. How do you think teams like Philly, Detroit, and Baltimore got to have such good o-lines?? We can do the same.

Defensive line is a bit different. We have a lot of players to rotate in and out. How many DT's do we have that are real difference makers? Zero. Nada. If the BPA up is a DT, I don't care if we need a RB, WR, or edge. Fix the damn middle of the d-line! Yeah, there is no Jalen Carter to trade up for, but the DT rotation that won the last Super Bowl had two 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th! It doesn't matter how many shiny pieces you have on the outside if the middle of the trenches keep getting curb stomped against good teams.

Bottom line: It will take 2-3 years to get this team into anything resembling a team that has a chance to get to the NFCCG. It cannot be done without making sure both of our lines can compete with the best teams out there. If we have to spend half of the next two drafts on the lines, do it. If we have to double down on line positions, do it. It has to be done right or nothing else matters. Simply put, the majority of the teams that go deep in the playoffs have at least solid lines. We should too. It is no accident that the team that most resembles the 1992 Cowboys is the 2024 Eagles.

Now, do you trust our front office to do what is necessary? Do you believe in our coaching to get it done with the players we have?

I have a lot to say about other parts of the team, team building and coaching, but I have already written too much. I'll leave the super long posts to our resident novelist.
We are decent at drafting, but suck at free agency.
So until we get a decent GM,
The NFCCG is a pipe dream.
 
It's bad when I got a laugh when I read the title of this thread.

ANY headway the Cowboys make when it comes down to players via drafting, resigning or free agency always seems to take a step back with something else (let alone coaching).

I think the biggest difference between the Eagles, Chiefs and Cowboys is what each team wants to achieve.

The Eagles and Chiefs work to win the superbowl. The Cowboys play it safe to keep the title of the worlds richest NFL team because that is what Jerry really cares about.

Added the fact that most other owners I don't think really care of being in the spotlight. They hire people to run their business, take a step back, and let them get all the credit. That's what a good leader does.
 
Since Nick Sirianni (a.k.a. ****** Face) became head coach of the Eagles, he has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning one in his 4th year. His team has been in the playoffs every year. Yes, the coach we say is a joke, the coach we--me included--like to make fun of, has a 48-20 record, a .706 win%. How?

Let's take a look at the 2024 Eagles starting Super Bowl roster, a few key depth pieces, and see if we can find any similarity to our current roster. Listed for each player is draft position if drafted by the team.

Jalen Hurts—rd 2 (53)

Devonta Smith—rd 1 (10)

Dallas Goedart—rd 2 (49)

Jalen Carter—rd 1 (9)

Jordan Davis—rd 1 (13)

Josh Sweat—rd 4 (130)

Jordan Mailata—rd 7 (233)

Cam Jurgens—rd 2 (51)

Landon Dickerson—rd 2 (37)

Lane Johnson—rd 1 (4)

Nolan Smith—rd 1 (30)

Nakobe Dean—rd 3 (83)

Milton Williams—rd 3 (73)

Cooper Dejean—rd 2 (40) Rookie

Quinyon Mitchell—rd 1 (22) Rookie

Reed Blankenship—UDFA

Mehki Becton—FA bust

Zack Baun—FA never given a chance

AJ Brown—Trade

Saquan Barkley—FA

Darius Slay—FA

CJGJ—FA



Depth pieces that contributed:

Brandon Graham—rd 1 (13)

Moro Ojomo—rd 7 (249)

Jalyx Hunt—rd 3 (94) Rookie

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.—rd 5 (155) Rookie

Kenneth Gainwell—rd 5 (155)

Now before anyone points this out, yes, there is one constant here. Other than Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham, both Andy Reid picks, the entire team was assembled by Howie Roseman. So let's get this out of the way now: Howie Roseman is great at his job, despite some posters here saying that he is just average, gets lucky, and is in fact no better than any other GM. I'm sorry for saying this, but anyone at this point that still believes this is simply a fool.

Roster analysis shows a few interesting points. One is that Roseman knows when to trade back and get extra picks. He is not afraid to double down on certain positions, i.e. DT, or take the BPA despite already having quality at that position--something a few posters here would gag at. What he can't get in the draft, he gets through trades (Titans can go to hell for AJ Brown) or by pulling the trigger on FA signings big and small. He does what he can to plug every hole on the team with quality or players that he believes his coaches can coach up (Becton, Baun). Owner Jeff Lurie generally doesn't meddle with the draft, but it is interesting to note that Lurie pushed to draft Jalen Hurts because he believed he could be the next Russell Wilson (prime Russ, of course). The coaching staff also gives lower round picks a real chance if they see potential. When was the last time we had a Super Bowl winning team with two 7th round picks being major contributors besides the Chiefs?

I was bored and went back to see what we were saying about the Eagles before the season started. No one here thought the Eagles would win the Super Bowl, although many believed they would win the NFCE. Here are some other opinions by some posters, many of whom I like on this forum:

--Barkley is washed and that contract will kill them
--Steele will be better than Lane Johnson (I'm not outing this guy)
--Sirianni is an (insert insult here) and will soon be out of the league
--Roseman is fool's gold
--The loss of Kelce begins the decline of the Eagles
--Jalen Hurts sucks and his contract is almost as bad as Dak's
--Jalen Hurts is on his 7th OC in a row and will suck (the OC part is true, going back to college!)
--Darius Slay is old and can't play anymore
--They have no linebackers
--Nakobe Dean is a bust
--Nolan Smith is a bust
--Jordan Davis is a bust

On the flip side, there were more than a few posters saying the opposite, that those players are learning and the Eagles will always be a good team because they build from the trenches out. Many of us say this today, me included, as I am a huge advocate of inside/outside team building.

So what does any of this have to do with our own team? Let's look at our roster.

There is a lot of angst over our offensive line, with many opinions being tossed out daily. Do we have the talent the Eagles or Lions line does? No, of course not. But we have talent that can be put to use with proper coaching. We don't have a long-time vet like Johnson as a stable force, but Tyler Smith has emerged as our top notch vet talent. He is one of the best in the league at his position, and is a piece to build around. We see Beebe can be a PB caliber player once he develops. Will he be Creed Humphrey, Frank Ragnow, or Cam Jurgens? I don't know, but I see him reaching into the top five in two years. Let's not forget that Jurgens was thrown into the fire day one as a guard, playing next to and learning from Kelce for two years. Beebe didn't have that advantage but shows great promise.

Bottom line: Smith and Beebe will be the foundation of a very good line for us. We have raw talent to develop and still have the draft. Get tackle figured out and we will be fine. If the BPA is a tackle, don't say "Hey, we drafted one last year." No!!!! Take the player. How do you think teams like Philly, Detroit, and Baltimore got to have such good o-lines?? We can do the same.

Defensive line is a bit different. We have a lot of players to rotate in and out. How many DT's do we have that are real difference makers? Zero. Nada. If the BPA up is a DT, I don't care if we need a RB, WR, or edge. Fix the damn middle of the d-line! Yeah, there is no Jalen Carter to trade up for, but the DT rotation that won the last Super Bowl had two 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th! It doesn't matter how many shiny pieces you have on the outside if the middle of the trenches keep getting curb stomped against good teams.

Bottom line: It will take 2-3 years to get this team into anything resembling a team that has a chance to get to the NFCCG. It cannot be done without making sure both of our lines can compete with the best teams out there. If we have to spend half of the next two drafts on the lines, do it. If we have to double down on line positions, do it. It has to be done right or nothing else matters. Simply put, the majority of the teams that go deep in the playoffs have at least solid lines. We should too. It is no accident that the team that most resembles the 1992 Cowboys is the 2024 Eagles.

Now, do you trust our front office to do what is necessary? Do you believe in our coaching to get it done with the players we have?

I have a lot to say about other parts of the team, team building and coaching, but I have already written too much. I'll leave the super long posts to our resident novelist.
Lane Johnson was a Chip Kelly pick.

Dallas isn’t going to truly compete until they get a real GM and let that individual operate without massive interference.
 
Dallas is good enough with the worst front office to win 10-12 games every year

If Jerry stepped aside and let others (not Stephen) do NFL caliber work then we’d probably be a dynasty
 
The only way the Dallas Cowboys win a Super Bowl this season is if every other franchise has a horrific run of bad luck and losses most of it's key players. That is literally the only way this franchise even gets into the superbowl and maybe that is what Jerry is shooting for.
 
And QB.

If Carson Wentz would’ve been drafted by the Cowboys, and had the exact same career as he did for the Eagles, he’d still be the Cowboys starting QB today.
Jerry will always avoid cutting or letting a player go before his contract is up because he hates to pay twice for the same position on the team.

and Wentz being here or not, would depend on how many Jerseys he would sell, nothing else would matter.
 

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