A better draft strategy than standing pat in draft order

No player we could spare. Rings anything in a trade. More bodies don’t mean more talent. 12 gets us a day one starter if we don’t mess it up
Conversely, there's no Micah/CeeDee difference maker. Our weakness is the depth, not top end talent.
This draft falls ideally for our needs, with depth in Rds 2-4 in positions we are desperate for. The package in the Chiefs proposal (on the other thread) would be a no brainer for a team that's looking to 2026/27 to be anywhere near competing.
 
Conversely, there's no Micah/CeeDee difference maker. Our weakness is the depth, not top end talent.
This draft falls ideally for our needs, with depth in Rds 2-4 in positions we are desperate for. The package in the Chiefs proposal (on the other thread) would be a no brainer for a team that's looking to 2026/27 to be anywhere near competing.
Even if both of you are exaggerating I mean you're basically wrong and you're right trying to tell me that at 12 you don't see a difference maker you don't think Ted McMillan or if AJ is there I mean you're saying there's nobody there that can be either one of those guys you don't think golden can be that guy you don't know none of us really know that draft is not perfect but again he's also wrong because you could probably get the same guy at 12 as you can get at 15 move down three spots pick up an extra pick.. The key to this is finding the right team you know the correct team that not only help you trade down because they want to trade up you got to make sure you don't go down too far you have to understand the teams below you which one needs that player that you're targeting 3 spots later or five spots later..

So, the gap say between AJ, Hampton, and Henderson not that big just like the gap between Tet, Burden, and Golden also not that big.. these are difference makers but there's no guarantee they will be that, but you're also saying they're just for depth, that's not true nobody knows what these players are going to turn out to be they just have a good idea how they're going to fit the team but we need a starting running back and even though the receivers counted on as a wr2 that doesn't mean he's not a starter..

So I think everybody's overthinking this it would be smart to take a guy at 12 and not move down if he is what you think he is and you don't want to lose him but if most of those guys are gone and you think you could get your target 3 to 4 spots down then you make that trade and go down both can be true and work for the boys..

The biggest mistake is if that's what our GM is thinking like you this is just another depth draft no that was the draft a couple of seasons ago twenty twenty three was it mazi Schoonmaker and Overshown 123?
They cannot do that again yes Overshown going to be a great player, but he's injured, that draft is just for backups is not going to work again, this cannot be what they're thinking, there's a lot of talent in the 1st 3 rounds and it's not really just for depth...



could be starting Corner, DT-NT, WR or RB.. So I can get with either one of these arguments....
 
Conversely, there's no Micah/CeeDee difference maker. Our weakness is the depth, not top end talent.
This draft falls ideally for our needs, with depth in Rds 2-4 in positions we are desperate for. The package in the Chiefs proposal (on the other thread) would be a no brainer for a team that's looking to 2026/27 to be anywhere near competing.
Conversely, there's no Micah/CeeDee difference maker. Our weakness is the depth, not top end talent.
This draft falls ideally for our needs, with depth in Rds 2-4 in positions we are desperate for. The package in the Chiefs proposal (on the other thread) would be a no brainer for a team that's looking to 2026/27 to be anywhere near competing.
i don’t know that teams thought lamb was as good as he is
 
Even if both of you are exaggerating I mean you're basically wrong and you're right trying to tell me that at 12 you don't see a difference maker you don't think Ted McMillan or if AJ is there I mean you're saying there's nobody there that can be either one of those guys you don't think golden can be that guy you don't know none of us really know that draft is not perfect but again he's also wrong because you could probably get the same guy at 12 as you can get at 15 move down three spots pick up an extra pick.. The key to this is finding the right team you know the correct team that not only help you trade down because they want to trade up you got to make sure you don't go down too far you have to understand the teams below you which one needs that player that you're targeting 3 spots later or five spots later..

So, the gap say between AJ, Hampton, and Henderson not that big just like the gap between Tet, Burden, and Golden also not that big.. these are difference makers but there's no guarantee they will be that, but you're also saying they're just for depth, that's not true nobody knows what these players are going to turn out to be they just have a good idea how they're going to fit the team but we need a starting running back and even though the receivers counted on as a wr2 that doesn't mean he's not a starter..

So I think everybody's overthinking this it would be smart to take a guy at 12 and not move down if he is what you think he is and you don't want to lose him but if most of those guys are gone and you think you could get your target 3 to 4 spots down then you make that trade and go down both can be true and work for the boys..

The biggest mistake is if that's what our GM is thinking like you this is just another depth draft no that was the draft a couple of seasons ago twenty twenty three was it mazi Schoonmaker and Overshown 123?
They cannot do that again yes Overshown going to be a great player, but he's injured, that draft is just for backups is not going to work again, this cannot be what they're thinking, there's a lot of talent in the 1st 3 rounds and it's not really just for depth...



could be starting Corner, DT-NT, WR or RB.. So I can get with either one of these arguments....
Basing the trade down on the 'Chiefs' Scenario, on the other thread. This draft is nothing like the 2023 (Mazi, Schoon) draft. The failure in that draft is that we drafted for pure NEED, as we were admittedly in a position to compete (for Jerry it was All-In).
At the moment we are not one player away and the draft strength, IS THE DEPTH in those areas we need to improve upon (RB, CB, 1-TECH, WR), the draft capital obtained from trading down from no.12 will facilitate all of the above....indeed we'd still have the chance (if we fancied) to draft a Burden or Golden at the end of the first. Indeed, on a basic level (using the 'Chiefs' scenario), could draft say a Burden and then packaging our 2nd, with the obtained 2nd or 4th to get the RB of our choice.
 
The Cowboys enter the upcoming draft with 10 of the draft’s 257 picks. With holes at almost every position group on this roster, and with this organization’s refusal to take free agency as a serious way to upgrade the roster, we need a plausible approach that can upgrade this team quickly in the upcoming 2025 draft. Here are the Cowboys current picks by round:
  • Round 1: No. 12
  • Round 2: No. 44
  • Round 3: No. 76
  • Round 5: No. 149
  • Round 5: No. 174 (compensatory pick)
  • Round 6: No. 204 (from Lions)
  • Round 6: No. 211 (compensatory pick)
  • Round 7: No. 217 (from Titans)
  • Round 7: No. 239 (from Packers)
  • Round 7: No. 247 (from Chiefs)
It’s great having 10 picks but only 3 of them are in the top 100. That gap between pick 76 and 149 is huge. Having 7 picks in the back end of the draft decreases the chances of immediate impact. Five of those current picks will be in rounds 6 and 7 where most of those players will be STers or deep backups at best.

So…what if we could get aggressive and do a couple of trade downs to give us 5 picks in the top 100 instead of just 3?
  • Trade down at 12 to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.
  • Consider trading a current player on the roster in a draft pick trade.
  • Use some of the compensatory picks at the bottom to sweeten a deal.
Bottom line for me: Having only 3 top 100 picks and having 7 picks from rounds 5-7 is not enough help. We should convert some of the compensatory picks and round 6 and 7 picks into less overall picks but more in the top 100.

Without some move ups, our draft picks will mostly be bottom of the talent pool.
My question in weak draft what is more productive.more bullets or fewer bullets slightly higher grade
 
Been saying this for years with this FO approach. We need quality over quantity if we want improvement. Give me 4 stud players in the draft every year and this team is a SB contender in 3 years. Drafting guys in the 6-7th rds every year, only to cut them in training camp is a complete waste.
Been saying this for years. Typically 5-7rd draft picks are on par with UDFA's. Make our selections in rd 1-4, then regroup and prepare to make immediate phone calls with offers for UDFA the moment the draft ends
 
Been saying this for years. Typically 5-7rd draft picks are on par with UDFA's. Make our selections in rd 1-4, then regroup and prepare to make immediate phone calls with offers for UDFA the moment the draft ends
Yeah that sounds like a good plan except for this common sense says the team should actually be using their 7th round picks their 5th round picks their 6th round picks whichever that is on some of these undrafted free agent possibilities because you can own their rights if you pick them they have choiced where they go once they get past a draft it benefits them more than the team for them to end up undrafted.,

They typically get a bigger bonus and a choice on where to go. Why would you not use your 5 through 7 picks on these possibilities whoever's on your list why would you not pick them in those rounds if you think they're not good enough to pick and they're going to be undrafted doesn't make sense to me because you would own their rights for the 7th round pick versus waiting for them to make their decision when the draft ended..

let alone... Drum roll please there's still about 100 players after the 4th round that are yet to be drafted how are you supposed to put your list together? Again if you have a list of who you think would be worth getting if they go undrafted then you pick them in the 7th round or the five through 7 somewhere along that line if you think they're good enough then you go get their rights you don't wait..

That's the thing when the draft ends then you have a big picture of who didn't get drafted who should have and it's shocking and then they go after those players and hope that they choose them.. I mean imagine that Brock Purdy didn't get picked as Mr Irrelevant or whatever they call it and he got to choose his team and didn't end up with the 49ers because they had almost no options they got lucky that they picked him the last in the draft and then he turned out to be pretty damn good was positive..

But if Brock Purdy wanted to go to one of his favorite teams and they left him undrafted then like Romo chose us over Denver or whoever else was after him they would have lost their guy...
 
trade up and get Abdul Carter.
Even though I agree he's a player worth trading up for it's the one position we are not in a big need for at the moment they did enough this offseason they have enough talent there that they don't need to move up to get a pass rusher now if we did that Parsons on this team sure that should be your target no way I'm wasting extra to uptake so we have too many big needs at other positions I get why you would say it but I disagree no moving up for anyone this draft...
 

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