Micah says Cowboys are costing themselves more money

[ICP]

Jerry wants the highest paid Offensive & Defensive players in the league on the same team at the same time. It's a marketing thing so I don't really think they care if they are supposedly losing more money the longer they wait. Imagine all the merch fans will buy advertising it, all the witty little slogans etc.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Good for Parsons to tell the Cowboys how it is. I don't care what you all think of him. But he is right. Jerry is costing this team money by waiting.

If I was him I would hold out. It would make good business sense.

 

[Flamma]

Because all they have to do is wait another month or two and they can pay him out of the league revenue sharing checks instead of diving into team funds or Jerrys pocket directly. I think the Cowboys have pretty much shown they are fine paying a little more in order for it to not impact their other business decisions.

You're most likely right about this. But people will think you're implying that they are broke. Which couldn't be further from the truth. It's simply asset management.

 

[charron]

Dallas leadership doesn't care. He's said so. It is wasteful and stupid but Jerry could care less. We're talking about it and he likes that more than making a smart deal early.

 

[DandyDon52]

Incorrect. Sign on bonuses get paid immediately in full, and are spread out over the length of the contract.

It all comes out of the cap whether this year or next.

 

[DandyDon52]

Ummm…not how that works at all. The 2024 cap was $255m. The Cleveland browns spent $345m.

yes it is lol, it all comes out of the cap, either current year or future years.
The Cleveland browns spent $345m.........that is deceptive, most of that will be paid out of future years caps.

 

[thunderpimp91]

yes it is lol, it all comes out of the cap, either current year or future years.
The Cleveland browns spent $345m.........that is deceptive, most of that will be paid out of future years caps.

Not at all....The Browns spent $345m in payroll to the roster. Its cash that they gave to the players in 2024.

For example: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21753/deshaun-watson/contract/cap
Deshaun Watson is $35m against the cap for 2025, but the Browns are paying him $46M in cash.

Now you're sort of right in that the league send out league revenue sharing checks each offseason that typically covers the entirety of that years cap number, but that isnt usable by the team year round at any time....typically those checks or ACH however they are deposited hit mid to late summer, meaning that teams typically have to dive into their own funds or owner funds at the time. Not only that but the owners are paying more than just the current years salary when the sign a player. The entirety of the guaranteed money in a contract goes into an escrow account at the time of signing. So if player X signs a 5 year $200M deal with $140M fully guaranteed the owner is writing a check for $140M even if it doesnt make it to the player right away.

 

[Jarv]

Trade him to Cleveland for 2 first rounders next year, then we'll have 3 first rounders next year and salary cap. I love Micah, but 3 first rounds and extra cap space is juicy, plus we are loaded at DE this year. We can use one of our three 1st next year on another DE if we need to.

 

[Coogiguy03]

jerry would rather pay a little more and get things right

loooooooooooooooool

 

[DandyDon52]

Not at all....The Browns spent $345m in payroll to the roster. Its cash that they gave to the players in 2024.

For example: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21753/deshaun-watson/contract/cap
Deshaun Watson is $35m against the cap for 2025, but the Browns are paying him $46M in cash.

Now you're sort of right in that the league send out league revenue sharing checks each offseason that typically covers the entirety of that years cap number, but that isnt usable by the team year round at any time....typically those checks or ACH however they are deposited hit mid to late summer, meaning that teams typically have to dive into their own funds or owner funds at the time. Not only that but the owners are paying more than just the current years salary when the sign a player. The entirety of the guaranteed money in a contract goes into an escrow account at the time of signing. So if player X signs a 5 year $200M deal with $140M fully guaranteed the owner is writing a check for $140M even if it doesnt make it to the player right away.

you need to go to cap school lol.
(let me add, I am no expert on the cap and it is complicated.you can ask google some questions and
find out more about cap yourself. It is also a little common sense, the whole idea is to limit how much teams can spend on PLAYERS each season. If they could use other funds, there would be no limit lol)

If it worked like your saying, there would be no cap , and a guy like jerry could just outspend everybody else, and have a team loaded with top players.
The only thing that stops that is the cap system.
Teams have found loop holes , and ways of pushing $ into the future, but there is a limit to that.


No owner is paying out of pocket or from other sources.
They dont have to wait till july when they get certain funds either.

 

[Hadenough]

Has Jerry been in front of the media lately talking about it as much as fans say he is.

I have not seen him, or it would be blasted all over here, for a mega thread of 100 pages.

Pretty sure he has something going on because he hasn't been front and center for attention in a while.

 

[jazzcat22]

Pretty sure he has something going on because he hasn't been front and center for attention in a while.

Yes, could very well be. It is strange.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Trade him to Cleveland for 2 first rounders next year, then we'll have 3 first rounders next year and salary cap. I love Micah, but 3 first rounds and extra cap space is juicy, plus we are loaded at DE this year. We can use one of our three 1st next year on another DE if we need to.

Cleveland already has a high paid, tremendous pass rusher. Why would they consider trading anything for another? Micah will want, and get, a bigger contract than Garrett.

 

[thunderpimp91]

you need to go to cap school lol.
(let me add, I am no expert on the cap and it is complicated.you can ask google some questions and
find out more about cap yourself. It is also a little common sense, the whole idea is to limit how much teams can spend on PLAYERS each season. If they could use other funds, there would be no limit lol)

If it worked like your saying, there would be no cap , and a guy like jerry could just outspend everybody else, and have a team loaded with top players.
The only thing that stops that is the cap system.
Teams have found loop holes , and ways of pushing $ into the future, but there is a limit to that.


No owner is paying out of pocket or from other sources.
They dont have to wait till july when they get certain funds either.

Its simply 100% untrue what you're saying. You can see by year exactly what teams are spending in cash. Its all public record and very accessible.....
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash

Then you can compare that to what each team has in cap space
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap

From the links we can see that the Minnesota Vikings have at total cap limit of $296,902,277, yet they've spent $355,514,344 in total cash.

Here is a player example:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47594/joe-burrow/contract/cap
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47594/joe-burrow/contract/cash

Joe Burrow signed an extension in 2023. That year he was a $19M cap hit, yet he received $45M in cash that year...on top of that the Bengals had to write a check for his $146M in guaranteed money.

The entire way that teams push cap hits into the future is by paying out bonuses to players now....basically the more cash you're willing to pay a player today the more cap hit the system lets teams push down the road.

The part of what you're saying that is accurate is that the league does have profit sharing which is largely (if not fully) where they get the cap numbers each year from. The issue is that these don't get distributed to teams until mid to late summer, there is no specific date....or at least that is made public. So early offseason extensions and free agent activities absolutely comes out of either team funds or the owners pocket. Teams raising more cash to support their franchises has been a huge topic the last few years, and part of the reason why we are seeing so many teams being sold. The amount of cash required to run an NFL franchise is no joke.

 

[DandyDon52]

Its simply 100% untrue what you're saying. You can see by year exactly what teams are spending in cash. Its all public record and very accessible.....
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash

Then you can compare that to what each team has in cap space
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap

From the links we can see that the Minnesota Vikings have at total cap limit of $296,902,277, yet they've spent $355,514,344 in total cash.

Here is a player example:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47594/joe-burrow/contract/cap
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47594/joe-burrow/contract/cash

Joe Burrow signed an extension in 2023. That year he was a $19M cap hit, yet he received $45M in cash that year...on top of that the Bengals had to write a check for his $146M in guaranteed money.

The entire way that teams push cap hits into the future is by paying out bonuses to players now....basically the more cash you're willing to pay a player today the more cap hit the system lets teams push down the road.

The part of what you're saying that is accurate is that the league does have profit sharing which is largely (if not fully) where they get the cap numbers each year from. The issue is that these don't get distributed to teams until mid to late summer, there is no specific date....or at least that is made public. So early offseason extensions and free agent activities absolutely comes out of either team funds or the owners pocket. Teams raising more cash to support their franchises has been a huge topic the last few years, and part of the reason why we are seeing so many teams being sold. The amount of cash required to run an NFL franchise is no joke.

Ok first here is link that explains a few things in a video, about 10m.

In this he explains that a signing bonus of 30 million can be paid out over the course of 6 years !
So the player would only get 5 mil of that bonus the first year.
Now he also said over the cap is better than spot trac.

I think your being confused by amounts paid out say the vikings in your post, they didnt spend
355 mil in THAT year, that is impossible. They spent $ they are kicking down the road with void years, that will count against the cap in those later years.
Make sense?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Ok first here is link that explains a few things in a video, about 10m.

In this he explains that a signing bonus of 30 million can be paid out over the course of 6 years !
So the player would only get 5 mil of that bonus the first year.
Now he also said over the cap is better than spot trac.

I think your being confused by amounts paid out say the vikings in your post, they didnt spend
355 mil in THAT year, that is impossible. They spent $ they are kicking down the road with void years, that will count against the cap in those later years.
Make sense?

No not at all....just listen to the video you posted starting at about 1:20 to 1:40.

"When you sign a player the signing bonus is paid up front to the player, but the cap hit is spread out during the duration of the contract."

Hes saying that the cap hit you can spread out and take the heat over 6 years, the cash is still getting to the player right away though. You continue to confuse cash and cap. They are two completely different things.

The Vikings absolutely spent that much in cash this year. Take Donovan Jackson for example

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/97820/donovan-jackson This is spotrac, but feel free to look at his OTC page instead.

That $9m signing bonus was 100% paid in cash by the Vikings. What theyve spread out is the cap hit as they will only take about $3M of his cap hit this season. You have to separate cap and cash in how you look at this, they are related yet completely different things.