Fans should know CBA rules for contract negotiations

Bobhaze said:
Yes. This rule applies any time a player’s contract is being negotiated. Future or current contract.

For example, an agent has to be involved in a current contract when restructuring is done. Obviously for future contracts, an agent must also be involved. A negotiated NFL player contract without a player’s certified agent involved is a violation of the NFLs collective bargaining agreement.
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No the agent does not have to be involved, the player can agree at any point he wants even if the agent doesn’t agree
 
If the player wants to talk contracts with the brass, they are adults and they can. Parameters are laid out, a contract is drafted, then its sent to the agent for review. Do some players choose to let their agent exclusively handle it? Sure. But it seems to me like Micah chose to discuss the contract with Jerry of his own volition. They came to a preliminary agreement and DM shut it down, presumably wanting more money.

NFL teams have talks with their players all the time to get a general idea of salary, guaranteed money and years. To say that an agent has to be present any time a contract is discussed is dumb. It happens all the time.



 
Bobhaze said:
One other thought. If the team decides tagging Parsons gives them leverage, it’s fools gold.

Elite NFL players getting tagged damages the relationship between the player and the team because it makes the player feel like they are just a product. Everyone thinks NFL players are greedy and only about the money. But it’s also about feeling respected and appreciated for their talents.

Tagging Parsons will be a huge mistake. If they won’t pay him market value, trade him. I think JJ knows he’s botched this and is clumsily trying to save face. It’s isn’t working.
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Exactly Micah has all the leverage
 
Bobhaze said:
Yes. This rule applies any time a player’s contract is being negotiated. Future or current contract.

For example, an agent has to be involved in a current contract when restructuring is done. Obviously for future contracts, an agent must also be involved. A negotiated NFL player contract without a player’s certified agent involved is a violation of the NFLs collective bargaining agreement.
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Please cite to that provision in the CBA.
 
revospeed said:
If the player wants to talk contracts with the brass, they are adults and they can. Parameters are laid out, a contract is drafted, then its sent to the agent for review. Do some players choose to let their agent exclusively handle it? Sure. But it seems to me like Micah chose to discuss the contract with Jerry of his own volition. They came to a preliminary agreement and DM shut it down, presumably wanting more money.

NFL teams have talks with their players all the time to get a general idea of salary, guaranteed money and years. To say that an agent has to be present any time a contract is discussed is dumb. It happens all the time.



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Only the Pats under Bill and the Cowboys do that. Your comments make it seem like this is commonplace. It’s not. It’s just Jerry at this point.

Every other team knows it’s a foolish way to do business and based on what we’re seeing, they are correct.
 
Kwyn said:
Only the Pats under Bill and the Cowboys do that. Your comments make it seem like this is commonplace. It’s not. It’s just Jerry at this point.

Every other team knows it’s a foolish way to do business and based on what we’re seeing, they are correct.
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The Pats won 6 Super Bowls doing that. Seems smart to go to the player first to get a deal done because agents screw things up. If the player tells the owner to speak to his agent, then sure, go through him.

And if its against the rules to discuss the parameters of a contract with a player, why haven’t the Pats, Cowboys or anyone else been disciplined for it?

Frankly, everyone in this thread saying its wrong to discuss a contract with a player sounds dumb. Micah had a conversation with Jerry about his contract. They came to a preliminary agreement by all accounts. Now Micah is reneging because his agent told him to because his agent wants to get a bigger cut.
 
Bobhaze said:
Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.
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Its worked for Jerry with Romo. Did Jerry get disciplined for negotiating directly with Romo?
 
revospeed said:
The Pats won 6 Super Bowls doing that. Seems smart to go to the player first to get a deal done because agents screw things up. If the player tells the owner to speak to his agent, then sure, go through him.

And if its against the rules to discuss the parameters of a contract with a player, why haven’t the Pats, Cowboys or anyone else been disciplined for it?

Frankly, everyone in this thread saying its wrong to discuss a contract with a player sounds dumb. Micah had a conversation with Jerry about his contract. They came to a preliminary agreement by all accounts. Now Micah is reneging because his agent told him to because his agent wants to get a bigger cut.
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Comparing Jerry to Bill is a non-starter and the Pats no longer do it that way since Bill is out of the league.

If you think that Jerry is right and 31 other owners are wrong, you’re welcome to that.

Proof is obvious that Jerry sucks at NFL contract negotiations and managing the cap.
 
Kwyn said:
Comparing Jerry to Bill is a non-starter and the Pats no longer do it that way since Bill is out of the league.

If you think that Jerry is right and 31 other owners are wrong, you’re welcome to that.

Proof is obvious that Jerry sucks at NFL contract negotiations and managing the cap.
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The point of this thread is supposedly to show that its a violation of the CBA to negotiate directly with a players. It obviously isn’t or else Bill, Jerry, Parcells and any other GM who had a cup of coffee with a player and discussed a contract would be disciplined. The original poster obviously has no idea what he’s talking about and neither do you.

It is commonplace to have informal negotiations directly with the players, get the numbers aligned and then get a contract drafted with input from an agent. Micah engaged in that sort of informal contract negotiations and now he is reneging on a preliminary agreement, most likely because his agent wants a bigger cut.
 
Bobhaze said:
Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.
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https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows....-Bargaining-Agreement-Final-Executed-Copy.pdf

Not finding the provision that supports your conclusion in here. Can you please provide citations?
 
Hawkeye19 said:
What the hell are you talking about? Your responses make zero sense lol

Are you drunk? Or just impossible to communicate with?
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If that ever was the case just what are you going to do on site? Naw, just full of your self.

You must not know how to ask the Justice Department to just fire Jerry. Oh such a football smartie.



"My job is managing the check. Micah's got to do the playing. Where's the least important part of this whole equation we're talking about? What is the least incremental part of the whole equation? The attorney, or the agent. He works for Micah. He's not the principle here, in any way."

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...ails-on-holdups-in-micah-parsons-negotiations


The agent is not the center feature in this projected contract! Jerry will get his way, and legally. Never has been any other way for that man.:popcorn:


"[Irvin] and I would tell them we could do some pretty good business without an agent sitting there. As you well know, I've done most of my negotiating without an agent in the room."

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...ails-on-holdups-in-micah-parsons-negotiations

Jerry knows this well:

His stat line—52.5 sacks, 256 combined tackles, and nine forced fumbles—already rivals seasoned veterans, but what’s most impressive is his effect on Dallas’s win rate.

  • With Parsons active: Cowboys are 41-23 (.671 win percentage)
  • Without Parsons: Cowboys fall to 1-1 (.500 win percentage)
That’s a massive 15.1% swing in win rate, proving Parsons isn’t just a stat-stuffer; he directly determines outcomes.

https://insidethestar.com/1-powerful-number-justifies-micah-parsons-record-cowboys-payday

There is no contract. That has to be reviewed by both the NFL and Player's Association.

You attempt to make an issue out of nothing here. A contract has to be signed first. All else moved from that point.

The legal team for the Dallas Franchise does not blow these items.

One has to also put his pants on before going outside as well...I don't care how many crumpled calendars are thrown about.

Get him signed and Parsons is dependent upon Jerry, for the record. A correct contract is not an issue.




At issue now, the three most important players on the team getting workable and top level contracts:

QB top contract
WR top contract
DE negotiations of top level contract

What is not being considered are contracts like for OG Smith and room to handle a current season.

Try and get more sleep ... yourself. Or just stay off insults. You really aren't impressive yourself. :popcorn: :flagwave:
 
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CCBoy said:
If that ever was the case just what are you going to do on site? Naw, just full of your self.

You must not know how to ask the Justice Department to just fire Jerry. Oh such a football smartie.



"My job is managing the check. Micah's got to do the playing. Where's the least important part of this whole equation we're talking about? What is the least incremental part of the whole equation? The attorney, or the agent. He works for Micah. He's not the principle here, in any way."

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...ails-on-holdups-in-micah-parsons-negotiations


The agent is not the center feature in this projected contract! Jerry will get his way, and legally. Never has been any other way for that man.:popcorn:


"[Irvin] and I would tell them we could do some pretty good business without an agent sitting there. As you well know, I've done most of my negotiating without an agent in the room."

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...ails-on-holdups-in-micah-parsons-negotiations

Jerry knows this well:

His stat line—52.5 sacks, 256 combined tackles, and nine forced fumbles—already rivals seasoned veterans, but what’s most impressive is his effect on Dallas’s win rate.

  • With Parsons active: Cowboys are 41-23 (.671 win percentage)
  • Without Parsons: Cowboys fall to 1-1 (.500 win percentage)
That’s a massive 15.1% swing in win rate, proving Parsons isn’t just a stat-stuffer; he directly determines outcomes.

https://insidethestar.com/1-powerful-number-justifies-micah-parsons-record-cowboys-payday

There is no contract. That has to be reviewed by both the NFL and Player's Association.

You attempt to make an issue out of nothing here. A contract has to be signed first. All else moved from that point.

The legal team for the Dallas Franchise does not blow these items.

One has to also put his pants on before going outside as well...I don't care how many crumpled calendars are thrown about.

Get him signed and Parsons is dependent upon Jerry, for the record. A correct contract is not an issue.




At issue now, the three most important players on the team getting workable and top level contracts:

QB top contract
WR top contract
DE negotiations of top level contract

What is not being considered are contracts like for OG Smith and room to handle a current season.

Try and get more sleep ... yourself. Or just stay off insults. You really aren't impressive yourself. :popcorn: :flagwave:
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That is discussive direction. Stick to your drug and drink routine! :grin: :hammer:
 
zrinkill said:
All of the above
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You haven't discussed a thing and still reveal ignorance. The US is the world's highest user of cocaine.

I never have had a problem with drugs or alcohol...but am not naive in useage of their complications. You giggle...



How you can afford to pay attention with three players at a $100M+ demand on team structure.

Go on back to your drugs...:popcorn:




Explain how the team also signs OG Smith now also....can you? Use English as your excuse now!
 
Bobhaze said:
Yes. This rule applies any time a player’s contract is being negotiated. Future or current contract.

For example, an agent has to be involved in a current contract when restructuring is done. Obviously for future contracts, an agent must also be involved. A negotiated NFL player contract without a player’s certified agent involved is a violation of the NFLs collective bargaining agreement.
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Completely false.

Article 48, Section 2 of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement provides:

“The Commissioner shall disapprove any NFL Player Contract(s) between a player and a Club unless such player: (a) is represented in the negotiations with respect to such NFL Player Contract(s) by an agent or representative duly certified by the NFLPA in accordance with the NFLPA agent regulation system and authorized to represent him; or (b) acts on his own behalf in negotiating such NFL Player Contract(s).”

The purpose of Article 48, which deals with certified agents, is clear. Its ensures that if someone other than the player is involved in negotiations, that person must be a certified NFLPA agent. It was drafted to prevent teams from having to negotiate with players’ brothers, uncles, or friends who were not qualified. But nothing in Article 48 restricts a player from acting on his own behalf just because he has an agent. Subsection (b) explicitly confirms that a player always has the right to negotiate directly if he chooses.

That is exactly what Micah did in his conversations with Jerry. He acted on his own behalf without his agent. And that conduct is fully consistent with the CBA. In fact, it’s been common practice around the league for years: players often handle initial discussions themselves and then let their agents step in to review or finalize the contract. Jerry and Bill Parcells did it with Tony Romo, and the Patriots were well known for negotiating directly with players before bringing in the agents to formalize the deal.

I reviewed the CBA, and Article 48 is the only provision that comes close to addressing your assertion. And nowhere in it does it say what you’re claiming, i.e., that all negotiations must go through the agent if the player has one. On the contrary, it says the exact opposite: a player can always negotiate on his own behalf.

So I’ll ask again: where in the CBA does it say that a player who has an agent is prohibited from negotiating for himself directly with the GM? Because the language of Article 48 doesn’t come anywhere close to saying that.
 
Bobhaze said:
Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.
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I made a post about this week's ago, I knew it was something that had to be a rule where this can't happen. Jerry is butt hurt because Micah got his agent involved like he's supposed to do, I just don't get it!!
 
Bobhaze said:
One other thought. If the team decides tagging Parsons gives them leverage, it’s fools gold.

Elite NFL players getting tagged damages the relationship between the player and the team because it makes the player feel like they are just a product. Everyone thinks NFL players are greedy and only about the money. But it’s also about feeling respected and appreciated for their talents.

Tagging Parsons will be a huge mistake. If they won’t pay him market value, trade him. I think JJ knows he’s botched this and is clumsily trying to save face. It’s isn’t working.
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Haze PLEASE answer me I know you're busy. WHY wouldn't they want to give him a big deal, does it have more to do with his skills/them having to sign other players, or is it just about the fact he got his agent involved
 
Blackrain said:
I think the relationship is already damaged and beyond the point of no return.

Right or wrong Jerry feels as though he had an agreement with Micah

Micah says he does not want to be a cowboy and he wants to be traded.

Give him his wish trade him for draft capital we can use for when we need to replace our quarterback or build our defensive line to stop the run.

Micah is not Randy White he's not Bob Lilly he's not Charles Haley he is nothing but small when it matters.
Get rid of him and the drama and get fresh young players on a rookie contracts.
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How much is that true if they agree to a deal that Micah and his agent like would they put all this aside? If they somehow did and are all happy, it's so fake! If he gets the deal I want Micah to still be mad lol.
 
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