Trade value for Pickens might not be what people are expecting

gtb1943 said:
IF the NE WRs had been able to come up with just a couple of big plays before the 4th, a lot would have changed in that game
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There was alot of throwing into triple coverage. That tells Seattle didnt respect NE's WR's and NE wasnt confident they could make them pay
 
big dog cowboy said:
Yikes!!! You willing to settle on a 2nd best case or possibly just a 3rd and 4th? I'm not!

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Yeah, that's ridiculous Amari Cooper in 2018, we gave a first-round pick, which was fair back then,

TBH, I'd like to see some examples of recent trades for in their prime receivers that just had a year like he had I'm only accepting a 1st.

I don't think we needed another George Pickens thread though, I mean we have like 7 of them right now which I think is odd,

we all know he's going to get tagged, hopefully it's the franchise tag that allows him to seek trades with a first round tender ,now we can see his value, he can see his value ,his agent can see his value, if it really is that low, it'll be easier getting a long term deal done for a lot less money.

You know whatever the tag is like 28.8?

I mean $30 million is for wide receiver pay right now and close to Higgens and waddles deal,

so, he be top 10,I believe it'll make it easier to get him to sign for that...

That is why you use the tag.. Hell he might even play under the tag if he got low balled like that because it's not that far away from signing a long term deal and then go back in next year and try to get more but I still think that's ridiculous and no I didn't listen to the video I've heard the rumor saying we'd be lucky to get a second for him, that's ridiculous...
 
tm1119 said:
If Pickens signs for the same 3/$75M that Devonta Smith signed for I highly doubt anyone would be against it…absolutely 0% that happens so it’s not even close to the same discussion
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Yeah that is wishful thinking ,Just inflation alone with the cap going up prices have gone up, It would be more like a deal like T Higgins got Still, I would be OK with around 29 to 30 capped at 30..

I mean if he wants to sign here for 30 that's right around with other guys in his position which makes him top seven it's not slap in the face is not disrespectful... There is a market for WR2 Were you really a 1B however you want to look at it and that's Higgins, Waddle, and Smith ,which puts them more recent category is close to 30..
 
darthseinfeld said:
There was alot of throwing into triple coverage. That tells Seattle didnt respect NE's WR's and NE wasnt confident they could make them pay
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I'm sorry but that's not what George is going to sign for Smith money, smith saw his value being next to Brown,

so he signed for 25 or 26 million ,yeah you're not getting George Pickens for that..

so let's stop the nonsense we already pay more for Lamb than Brown gets so the price is going to be more for those two, than they're paying it's going to be more like Jamar Chase and T Higgins ,which is a lot, and guess what they have not won a Super Bowl, Neither did Miami, Miami has that highly paid 1-2 punch they didn't make the playoffs either, Shall we go on, I mean the Rams have two really well paid receivers and yeah they got close but still they didn't make the Super Bowl..

Stop with the comps that don't hold up, Smiths deal doesn't hold up...

Lamb makes $39.9 million a year although with restructuring and moving things around he's only on the books AAV for 34, but you still have to pay the rest of his money in dead cap down the road in void years, or wherever it's gonna workout, you're going to pay the piper, a very high amount when you decide to move on from him...

That's how it works that's a lot more than Brown makes and we're talking about the cap right now is 28.8 which is more then Smith makes, I don't Pickens is going to sign for that he's going to want probably 30 or more.

Let's just get to the tag first then first round tender attached to it and let's let him seek some trade that let's see his real value let's see what he's really asking for...

I think the Cowboys would love to give him what Smith is making but I don't think that's what George Pickens is thinking right now He can play on the tag for more and I know it's not long-term comfort but still... Inflation has happened since Smith signed his deal..
 
darthseinfeld said:
Yes. Its betting on hope. And if you truly want to contend, you dont bet on hope at key positions.

It's another reason why we have both advocated for a guy like Herbig. You can draft a guy high of course. But you cant count on production. Its very hard to win in the NFL without production from your WR's, DE's, DT's CB's and LT.

Another thing that hurt NE during the Super Bowl was that their WR's couldnt win. Maye had to either check down or force passes because their WR's couldnt win matchups. There inability to block was the biggest reason they lost, but the inability to create from the skill players really hurt their chances to compensate and stay competitive
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That cannot expect to progress by just adding prospects every year. You add bridge starters and when these prospects are ready that get elevated.

If the team wants to take advantage of this Dak window, they must use fa and target impact defenders
 
gtb1943 said:
what a laugh
teams are always willing to take a chance on someone that has produced and Pickens has
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If you think a team will give up a 1st or Max Crosby for him then you are a nut. Nothing left to even say. We are on different wavelengths.
 
darthseinfeld said:
If he is tagged, he can be traded and he is still on the tag with the team that trades for him. It is then up to them to extend him
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No team is trading anything for him without a deal in place first. You’re used to a team run by an idiot GM. The other 31 teams have smarter ones. In addition, once tagged Pickens controls a trade, not the Cowboys. Jerry Jones is not giving David Mulugheta that kind of control.
 
lol these guys are delusional if they think Pickens, if shopped, wouldnt fetch at least a 1st. 3rd or 4th lololol. goes to show these so called media guys dont always have a clue wth they are talking about.
 
KingCorcoran said:
No team is trading anything for him without a deal in place first. You’re used to a team run by an idiot GM. The other 31 teams have smarter ones. In addition, once tagged Pickens controls a trade, not the Cowboys. Jerry Jones is not giving David Mulugheta that kind of control.
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All Im doing presenting fact on trading with the franchise tag. I made no comment on whether are smart enough to do anything.
 
darthseinfeld said:
The Eagles paid there WR's top money and won a Super Bowl. Its not much of an anchor cap wise

The Jones "Pie" talk is nonsense
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Smith’s “top money” contract only goes into effect next month. They were not paying him top money when they went to the Super Bowl. Now that it’s about to go into effect they’re considering trading their other “top money” WR.

Of course, what do they know?
 
3rd rounder.

Teams always leery of guys who turn it on for their contract year.

Once paid....he'll be fittin' to chill and kick it at the club again
 
blueblood70 said:
Yeah that is wishful thinking ,Just inflation alone with the cap going up prices have gone up, It would be more like a deal like T Higgins got Still, I would be OK with around 29 to 30 capped at 30..

I mean if he wants to sign here for 30 that's right around with other guys in his position which makes him top seven it's not slap in the face is not disrespectful... There is a market for WR2 Were you really a 1B however you want to look at it and that's Higgins, Waddle, and Smith ,which puts them more recent category is close to 30..
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Higgins is the comp and the cautionary tale in my opinion. Having 2 WR 1’s is great until you don’t have a defense to stop anyone… and the Bengals are facing that harsh reality.
 
I forgot where I saw it but there was a well written article predicting his value.
It was based on like players (top WRs) being traded and took into account contract status.
AJ Brown, Metcalf, Davante Adams, etc.
It concluded that Pickens value was about #18-22 in the first round, based on similar trades.
 
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