Holley: That's the difference between Dak and Romo

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is so overblown. I don't think Schottenheimer literally meant to just snap it and throw it away. He meant don't take any stupid chances, to throw it away if you don't like what you see.

This is the problem now with coaches trying to take bullets for players. The age old wisdom is for leaders to take responsibility, but the media and fans take this literally and think he really meant, "Just throw it away, don't even try to score here." Of course he wanted to score, otherwise they'd just kick the FG on third down.

What other coach needs to announce to everyone he had to tell the QB to throw it away if you don't like what you see.

Don't most QBs know that already? Shouldn't there be more important things to talk about?

Shouldn't Schott be able to say what happened better?

Shouldn't Dak ignore an (alleged) directive if things change.

Why would Pickens work it to get open like that, if it was a pre called.

Not directed directly at you....just firing off some thoughts.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What other coach needs to announce to everyone he had to tell the QB to throw it away if you don't like what you see.

Schotty talks too much. He never learned that these media guys aren't your friends, no matter how much you Dale Carnegie them.

Or that leaders of men lead, they don't expose everything in hopes of being liked for being vulnerable.

This is exactly why generic coach speak exists. Just be quiet and keep things in house. Nothing good comes from revealing too much... Especially these days.

 

[Zekeats]

He's right.

Embarrassing is the best word to describe this team and what Jerry has built over the past 30+. It's absolutely embarrassing.

 

[foofighters]

He's right.

Listen, I am and OG Romo fan (and yes, I am severely disappointed in Romo's current state...it's all on him for being stupid) but this needs to die. Dak is our QB now and these Stephen A Smith wannabes' (Holley) need to go away. All sports journalism is to say something that will draw clicks and the substance behind it doesn't matter anymore. As long as it generates clicks, that's all that matters.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

People defending Romo is his bad decisions which cost us many games. Crazy. The guy would go rogue, and his decisions would fail over and over again.

That is what you're defending???

Romo is a winner. Dak plays to lose or play it safe. We know you love your Dak but this franchise has been nothing but a failure since they incorrectly replaced Romo with him.

See you in 3 years when Dak is gone and I can ask you were those 13 years of defending a loser worth it?

 

[G2]

Romo played great in most every playoff game, win or lose.

Dak craps his knickers every time against real contenders in the playoffs. Dak actually is responsible for those losses because he doesn't show up.

 

[G2]

Romo is a winner. Dak plays to lose or play it safe. We know you love your Dak but this franchise has been nothing but a failure since they incorrectly replaced Romo with him.

See you in 3 years when Dak is gone and I can ask you were those 13 years of defending a loser worth it?

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m more disturbed we kicked the ball in the end zone, after that, why not kick it in the field of play and run the clock down

Yep. A squib kick was in order with 7 seconds left.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is so overblown. I don't think Schottenheimer literally meant to just snap it and throw it away. He meant don't take any stupid chances, to throw it away if you don't like what you see.

This is the problem now with coaches trying to take bullets for players. The age old wisdom is for leaders to take responsibility, but the media and fans take this literally and think he really meant, "Just throw it away, don't even try to score here." Of course he wanted to score, otherwise they'd just kick the FG on third down.

Right. Throwing it away was taken out of context of course to spur a narrative.

 

[StarW]

If you were going to go for the tie, why not kneel down and run the clock down to 2 seconds and kick the fg.

1000%. Better yet, why not run it 3 times in a row on 1st and goal in the first drive when you've been running all the way down the field w ease? Shotty blew the game 3 or 3 times last Sunday. Why is he turning to Garrett 2.0 all the sudden?

 

[amame25]

Steele has been a problem forever. The fact that we've done nothing to replace him goes back to poor GM evalution prowess. And no, throwing mid/late round picks at anything is not addressing it.

Everyone wants to use a high pick on different positions, there’s only so many to go around and so many players availanle

 

[Plankton]

Okay, so why then does Romo only have three more game winning drives despite playing for 2 years longer than Dak?

Considering the fact that Romo had a much higher INT rate than Dak, perhaps the former should have played a little more conservative.

Dak didn't pass rush or defend the pass during the Cowboys last defensive play.

This loss lay squarely on the shoulders of the coaches. Clearly, they took their eyes off the game at the wrong time. They were planning their overtime while the Ravens won the game with the last play from scrimmage. The defensive effort on that play was pathetic.

Romo effectively played from 2006-2015. He didn't play from 2003-2005, didn't start the entire 2006 season, and missed a good number of games in 2015 with broken collarbones. He only played in the regular season finale in 2016 for one drive.

There's a greater sample size with Prescott than Romo in terms of actual snaps and games.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'm gonna say this right here-and-now <CRUNCH!>. Seriously. Let's be completely honest here. This thread should be judged as an absolute failure <CHOMP!> if no one posts that <MUNCH!> Jesse Holley is a <SMACK!> Romofanatic.

But... he's not wrong. Romo definitely would have taken any shot given him.

 

[DallasEast]

But... he's not wrong. Romo definitely would have taken any shot given him.

Danger Will Robinson! Danger! You are making a comment related directly to the OP topic, lol.

Here is my opinion of Jesse Holley's assertion (brace for possible namecalling to follow). That play could have ended with an interception. All quarterbacks throw interceptions.

That play could have ended with a bad pass thrown towards George Pickens that he zero chance of catching. All quarterbacks throw bad passes.

That play could have ended with a tipped pass that was intended for George Pickens. All quarterbacks have passes tipped by the defense.

That play could have ended with the ball unintentionally falling out of the quarterback's hand or fumbled. All quarterbacks mishandle the ball or fumble the ball they originally intended to throw to the receiver.

The play could have ended with the ball never being thrown because of a trip (see Jayden Daniels). All quarterbacks have had their foot stomped on by their offensive linemen when they intended to throw to the receiver.

Hypothetical outcomes may not end there. However, the quarterback intended to throw the ball to the receiver in all instances. The quarterback could have thrown a pass in all instances despite what their head coach instructed them to do.

Tony Romo has flubbed passing plays. That is unquestionable. A What If machine can insert him into that exact same moment on Sunday and he could have flubbed it as well. That is a totally reasonable assumption too.

None of that applies to Holley's point, which was Romo would have most likely attempted to throw a catchable pass to Pickens despite Schottenheimer's instructions. That was his entire point. Romo would have very likely tried to throw a touchdown pass and Dak Prescott did not. Any and all noise contrary to his point is just that, but that's CowboysZone.

Me? I was confident the Romo criticism would get posted in pretty quick order. I should have gone with "HATER!" instead, lol.

 

[plasticman]

Romo effectively played from 2006-2015. He didn't play from 2003-2005, didn't start the entire 2006 season, and missed a good number of games in 2015 with broken collarbones. He only played in the regular season finale in 2016 for one drive.

There's a greater sample size with Prescott than Romo in terms of actual snaps and games.

You are right.

Tony Romo's career actually started in 2003, the same as Jason Witten.

The reason you don't see any statistics for him under that first year is because he was declared inactive in all 16 games. It wasn't until 2004 that you begin to see the statistics because he became e designated placeholder for field goals and extra points, beginning with the 11th game of his second season.

That's rather ironic considering his "signature" play, the one that he will be remembered for the most, was a botched hold in the final moments of a playoff game.

Tony Romo did not throw an NFL regular season pass until the 5th game of his 4th year when he came in at the end of a blowout game and threw 2 passes. two games later, he became the starter.

In fact, you will find that no other quarterback in NFL history that spent their first three seasons on a team without throwing a single pass and still became a starter for at least one season during his career.

The only player that comes closest is Jeff Hostetler who had to wait two seasons. It is not a coincidence that they both had the same HC.

Still, all you see is zeros for Romo's next two seasons because he never threw an NFL regulation pass during this time.

So two NFL QB experts, Bill Parcells and Sean Payton decided that Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson and Vinnie Testaverde were better choices at QB than Tony Romo at that particular point in time. Tony Romo wasn't ready.

Whether he has numbers or not, his first three seasons are still a part of his career record. He was a QB on the Cowboys team.
Those zeros become part of his "sample size"

Meanwhile, Dak Prescott started every single game in his first three seasons.....even after Tony Romo was deemed healthy enough to play.

In his first three seasons, Dak had a record rookie season, was Offensive Rookie of the Year and named to the Pro Bowl twice.

But back to the original issue:

Would the team have been better served....in the long run.....if Dak had disobeyed the instructions of his coach?

If it had been Tony Romo, under those circumstances, would the Cowboys have stood a better chance of winning the game if Romo had decided otherwise?

Take another look at the play. Even in Romo's best days, that was a sack or desperation pass. All Dak could do was get rid of the ball.

I take issue with the play calling on that series in general but that is not on Dak. It lands squarely on the coaches and scapegoating Dak serves no purpose.

 

[DallasEast]

Take another look at the play. Even in Romo's best days, that was a sack or desperation pass.

In terms of split-seconds after the frozen image, how quickly do you estimate Tony Romo would have been sacked or would have been forced into throwing a desperation pass in this same circumstance?

 

[Runwildboys]

Danger Will Robinson! Danger! You are making a comment related directly to the OP topic, lol.

Here is my opinion of Jesse Holley's assertion (brace for possible namecalling to follow). That play could have ended with an interception. All quarterbacks throw interceptions.

That play could have ended with a bad pass thrown towards George Pickens that he zero chance of catching. All quarterbacks throw bad passes.

That play could have ended with a tipped pass that was intended for George Pickens. All quarterbacks have passes tipped by the defense.

That play could have ended with the ball unintentionally falling out of the quarterback's hand or fumbled. All quarterbacks mishandle the ball or fumble the ball they originally intended to throw to the receiver.

The play could have ended with the ball never being thrown because of a trip (see Jayden Daniels). All quarterbacks have had their foot stomped on by their offensive linemen when they intended to throw to the receiver.

Hypothetical outcomes may not end there. However, the quarterback intended to throw the ball to the receiver in all instances. The quarterback could have thrown a pass in all instances despite what their head coach instructed them to do.

Tony Romo has flubbed passing plays. That is unquestionable. A What If machine can insert him into that exact same moment on Sunday and he could have flubbed it as well. That is a totally reasonable assumption too.

None of that applies to Holley's point, which was Romo would have most likely attempted to throw a catchable pass to Pickens despite Schottenheimer's instructions. That was his entire point. Romo would have very likely tried to throw a touchdown pass and Dak Prescott did not. Any and all noise contrary to his point is just that, but that's CowboysZone.

Me? I was confident the Romo criticism would get posted in pretty quick order. I should have gone with "HATER!" instead, lol.

So yeah, what I said.

 

[Surfguy]

Replay confirms an 'Easy TD' pass and catch. This team sucks.

"Throw it at the pylon!"

 

[erod]

You are right.

Tony Romo's career actually started in 2003, the same as Jason Witten.

The reason you don't see any statistics for him under that first year is because he was declared inactive in all 16 games. It wasn't until 2004 that you begin to see the statistics because he became e designated placeholder for field goals and extra points, beginning with the 11th game of his second season.

That's rather ironic considering his "signature" play, the one that he will be remembered for the most, was a botched hold in the final moments of a playoff game.

Tony Romo did not throw an NFL regular season pass until the 5th game of his 4th year when he came in at the end of a blowout game and threw 2 passes. two games later, he became the starter.

In fact, you will find that no other quarterback in NFL history that spent their first three seasons on a team without throwing a single pass and still became a starter for at least one season during his career.

The only player that comes closest is Jeff Hostetler who had to wait two seasons. It is not a coincidence that they both had the same HC.

Still, all you see is zeros for Romo's next two seasons because he never threw an NFL regulation pass during this time.

So two NFL QB experts, Bill Parcells and Sean Payton decided that Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson and Vinnie Testaverde were better choices at QB than Tony Romo at that particular point in time. Tony Romo wasn't ready.

Whether he has numbers or not, his first three seasons are still a part of his career record. He was a QB on the Cowboys team.
Those zeros become part of his "sample size"

Meanwhile, Dak Prescott started every single game in his first three seasons.....even after Tony Romo was deemed healthy enough to play.

In his first three seasons, Dak had a record rookie season, was Offensive Rookie of the Year and named to the Pro Bowl twice.

But back to the original issue:

Would the team have been better served....in the long run.....if Dak had disobeyed the instructions of his coach?

If it had been Tony Romo, under those circumstances, would the Cowboys have stood a better chance of winning the game if Romo had decided otherwise?

Take another look at the play. Even in Romo's best days, that was a sack or desperation pass. All Dak could do was get rid of the ball.

I take issue with the play calling on that series in general but that is not on Dak. It lands squarely on the coaches and scapegoating Dak serves no purpose.

So much nonsensical gibberish.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Replay confirms an 'Easy TD' pass and catch. This team sucks.

"Throw it at the pylon!"

That's a safe pass no matter how you slice it. If Pickens catches it. Dak could easily say "I tried coach!".